Semi-auto 2k Prototype-its A Start
Posted 26 August 2004 - 11:25 PM
Posted 26 August 2004 - 11:25 PM
Posted 26 August 2004 - 11:28 PM
I like the back placement way better... how exactly does the pump connect directly to the bladder, doesnt the pump HAVE to connect to the liquid gauge or it will leak, or is it self sealed? Also where exactly are these needed hose clamps going on the bladder, I thought you could just use what the RF20 came with...??
The pump's vinal tubing goes directly to the rf20 bladder, from his picutre, hes using the rf20 bladder mechanism, which makes it easier/better chance of sealing. It doesnt have to be conncted to the liquid guage, its just an obvious solution. The rf20 bladder clamps only work if tis in the case, as its meant to fit in, and be supported by the case. That, and its very wide and takes up valuable tank space. Actually, Ompa should try it, I could be wrong.
Posted 26 August 2004 - 11:31 PM
Posted 26 August 2004 - 11:34 PM
Posted 26 August 2004 - 11:38 PM
and you've got yourself a lean mean semiauto at2k machine with no dart reloading needed till after 2 rounds are done!
Posted 26 August 2004 - 11:41 PM
Posted 26 August 2004 - 11:44 PM
Edited by crankymonky, 26 August 2004 - 11:48 PM.
Posted 26 August 2004 - 11:47 PM
Im excited to see ompas results! *fingers crossed*
Edited by ShortShit, 27 August 2004 - 12:13 AM.
Posted 27 August 2004 - 07:53 AM
Uh, guys? I think it's time to celebrate. Apparently using the two valves locks the thing IN Semi-auto to start with. I just taped down the trigger valve, and now I can pull the trigger 4 times and it actually shoots 4 times. There's no pins needed to be pressed or anything. Now, I NEED SOME DAMNED HOSE CLAMPS!!
Edited by ompa, 27 August 2004 - 08:16 AM.
Posted 27 August 2004 - 09:11 AM
Oh cool, sounds good ompa.
Edited by texmustache, 27 August 2004 - 09:12 AM.
Posted 27 August 2004 - 09:14 AM
Short- although the idea is rather appealing, I think I'll just stick with my turret for now, as 4 shots is good enough to start with for me. I pumped the gun 8 times (I can't anymore since I don't have a damn hose clamp) and I got off 4 about equally powerful shots, the regulator works great. However, if I get the hoseclamp and I end up being able to get like 10 shots off, I will definately consider using your barrel assembly. But for now, I'll stick with my turret, as I'm under some serious time constraints with school bearing down on me in a few days.
Edited by ompa, 27 August 2004 - 09:34 AM.
Posted 27 August 2004 - 10:39 AM
Regarding the bandwidth concerns, an Armageddon video (which I'm going to post soon because Julie is halfway done with it) sucks up more bandwidth in a day than the entire forum does in a month. That and I have never used more than 50% of my bandwidth allocation. I love threads like this so don't hold back on my account. Honestly, these discussions are why I pay for the site.
Regarding the solenoid idea back on page 2 or whatever, You'd just wire it physically so that the solenoid is open (wires connected) when the trigger is all the way forward. When you start to pull the trigger it breaks contact and closes the solenoid, then it opens the at2k valve. When you start to release the trigger it closes the at2k valve, then opens the solenoid.
Regarding the pressure capability of the RF20 tubing, it is considerably lower than the at2k tank. My gut opinion is that this will only decrease range by about 10' though because the at2k by itself is pushing the limits of what a relatively small volume of air can do.
Regarding the goo tube constricted mounting arrangement, I love the ghetto quasi-regulator. You can accomplish the same thing with an alternate mounting location by just using small diameter tubing.
Regarding the double-physical-valve configuration to avoid wasting air, I actually like the seperate valve triggers. Push a button to charge, pull the trigger to fire. Seems simpler and less prone to failure than rigging the second valve to the trigger. I may be in the minority on this issue however since people really seem to want a 'real' semi-auto setup.
Great work guys, you do honor to the forums!
Posted 27 August 2004 - 10:45 AM
W00t we got Cx's honor, that's definately a good thing.
If THIRST would say yes, would you consider putting the final product of the mod on the site?
Edited by ompa, 27 August 2004 - 10:46 AM.
Posted 27 August 2004 - 10:56 AM
Oh yeah, regarding the nerf OEM regulator that people were attributing to the at3k, you actually want to be looking at the sm5k. The trigger mechanism on the at3k is just designed to pull the valve open quickly, not release it automatically. The mechanism on the sm5k is designed to pull the valve open quickly, then close it again almost immediately. Perhaps it could be modified to have a slightly higher throughput - I know I had to disable (rip out) mine because it took 3 trigger pulls to empty the 5k tank after pump plug.
Posted 27 August 2004 - 11:05 AM
Ompa, when yuo get 4 shots on 8 pumps, hows the air output? We certainly arent gettign much pressure, so were reklying heavily on volume to propell the dart.
Nice work guys, keep it up. Sure we can post our stuff on the mdos site, maybe a joint effort mod or something?
Posted 27 August 2004 - 11:06 AM
Ok, I will. I happen to have an RF20 in pieces right now just waiting for a bladder removal. My idea: Wire the trigger valve of the RF20 down right below the trigger of the AT2K. That way you prime the gun with your middle finger, then fire with your index finger. All the while, rotating the turret with your other hand.
Vintage, join the fun! Grrr, he turned away!
Posted 27 August 2004 - 11:24 AM
Edited by texmustache, 27 August 2004 - 12:31 PM.
Posted 27 August 2004 - 11:27 AM
A long time ago my bro thought of this and well, had no idea what the results would be, but thought possibly semi-auto
Now that we have done this, Rawray7's dream came true!
I'm not sure if anyone remember, but,
He said in one post that he wished to allow the liquitron to somehow give him a second shot, this happened before Cx did the liquitron mod, or about that same time.
Well, just saying.
Posted 27 August 2004 - 12:02 PM
Do wait a week or so to start on it though because you're obviously all still cranking out new ideas and building them up.
Oh yeah, did someone mention open::nerf recently? <g> I think we just demonstrated a working model for that concept. Introduce something new and interesting to a bunch of smart people and see what happens? It's just like when ShortShit took 3DBBQ's clip/barrel concept and ran with it, posting results and ideas as he went. That thread and this one are easily the two most interesting threads I've read this year. I think the biggest stumbling blocks to this kind of progress in the past have been getting all the smart people together on one site and everyone reducing their egos enough to work together.
Once again, kudos to everyone involved.
Posted 27 August 2004 - 12:06 PM
reduce their ego's enough to work together
That post just really made me laugh.
Yes, I am crankying.
Posted 27 August 2004 - 12:13 PM
That's exactly my sentiments.
Oh yeah, did someone mention open::nerf recently? <g> I think we just demonstrated a working model for that concept. Introduce something new and interesting to a bunch of smart people and see what happens?
I read all seven pages (as of now), and I didn't read one flame, direct insult, or anything personally detracting in this thread. Neither did I read of anyone trying to whore up all the "credit" as though it were going to elevate them to some kind of moderator/admin/god status.
Just Nerfers getting together and hashing it out, and everyone has a working proto in their hands/ on their workbenches.
But I DON'T HAVE ONE! AAAHH!
That's it. I know there are 2k's in Honolulu, and I'm going there tomorrow. You all are leaving me in the dust and having fun hacking and gluing...I feel lost.
Jolly good show, chaps. This thread is making me smile. A lot.
I'll have a 2k by Monday, or die trying.
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Posted 27 August 2004 - 12:19 PM
Please avoid the death option, we like you around here.
I'll have a 2k by Monday, or die trying.
If you can't get ahold of at2ks, let me know. I'll hook you up again at cost+shipping. My Target has ~10 of the two-packs.
Posted 27 August 2004 - 12:55 PM
This is what Ive been visualizing for awhile. hope it isnt hard to understand, its a basic outline.
Edited by THIRST, 27 August 2004 - 12:55 PM.
Posted 27 August 2004 - 12:59 PM
CPS/regulator and reliable clip system on the cheap. Potential for a 10-shot semi-auto that's more reliable and accurate than the BF/hornet.
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