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#26 Broderick

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Posted 19 June 2010 - 06:43 PM

A bit of a necro, but a useful one, hopefully.

I've been having troubles with darts sticking in the wye. When I get a dry fire and check what caused it, the dart is stuck done right where it normally drops. Is anybody else having this problem? I've tried different lengths of darts and that doesn't seem to be a factor. It's not getting stuck in the barrel entry, it's not even coming close to entering the barrel, just sticking at a 45 degree angle.

Hopefully I'm not the only one who has had this issue.

You know, it might be the foam you're using. I used to have some with a sort of "skin" if I may, on the outside of the dart. It made it kind of sticky and had more friction in CPVC.
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Posted 19 June 2010 - 07:36 PM

It does seem to be a friction issue, but not with CPVC, it's not even making it that far, just sticking in the wye.
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Posted 19 June 2010 - 07:49 PM

It does seem to be a friction issue, but not with CPVC, it's not even making it that far, just sticking in the wye.

What kind of darts are you using?
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Posted 21 June 2010 - 04:20 AM

As someone mentioned, I believe it was Daniel Bieber, the Big Bad Bow and Maxshot have some trouble utilizing a hopper clip. Would you say a PAS (or in my case, a Pull Action Shotgun, not like Zorn's though) generates enough air?
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Posted 21 June 2010 - 10:52 AM

As someone mentioned, I believe it was Daniel Bieber, the Big Bad Bow and Maxshot have some trouble utilizing a hopper clip. Would you say a PAS (or in my case, a Pull Action Shotgun, not like Zorn's though) generates enough air?


I would tentatively say no, but would be delighted to be proven wrong. Honestly, I think +bows are the only springers that can effectively utilize hoppers.

Edited by Daniel Beaver, 21 June 2010 - 10:52 AM.

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Posted 21 June 2010 - 12:04 PM

As someone mentioned, I believe it was Daniel Bieber, the Big Bad Bow and Maxshot have some trouble utilizing a hopper clip. Would you say a PAS (or in my case, a Pull Action Shotgun, not like Zorn's though) generates enough air?


I would tentatively say no, but would be delighted to be proven wrong. Honestly, I think +bows are the only springers that can effectively utilize hoppers.


My quadshot is performing well: cpvc and 1.25" Ace fbr sluggies. I can't say I hold it still, sometimes I give it a jiggle to make sure but have not had a missfire yet.
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Posted 21 June 2010 - 03:13 PM

My lanard handcannon does fine with a 6-shot hopper clip.

I am having trouble with my BBB however, I'm thinking it'll need a nearly perfect seal and a lot of deadspace reduction. People have done RSCBs successfully, however, so I don't see how a hopper should perform worse except in the difference of how the two feed darts into the barrel. If the hopper fails, I'm sure an inline clip would work more than fine.

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Posted 21 June 2010 - 06:19 PM

Alright, thanks everyone. I hope it works. Second question, would barrel length affect the effectiveness of my hopper? Not in the range nook, but in the reliable loading cranny.
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Posted 21 June 2010 - 09:36 PM

What would be the appropriate barrel length for a singled RFSG with CPVC or 9/16 brass with tightening rings?
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Posted 21 June 2010 - 09:41 PM

What would be the appropriate barrel length for a singled RFSG with CPVC or 9/16 brass with tightening rings?

Yo, this thread isn't for finding optimal barrel length. Figure it out yourself. Empirical testing is a wonderful thing.
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Posted 04 July 2010 - 12:09 PM

Not to sound like a douche (just kidding, it usually makes me lol), but there has been some confusion on this mattter. Ice nine and I were the ones who came up with these things, and the chicago guys put most of the work into testing out what works and doesn't with the system. So if you need to give credit, there you go.

These things are fantastic though. Just a case in point, look at the difference it makes in turning something like the sceptor into a semi-auto dart shooter. Without a hopper, you'd need some kind of odd linked breech system or a breechless clip or a spring-loaded rscb or something else that is just as notoriously finicky (note that I'm not including rscb/brisc because they keep it from being true "semi-auto" in this case).
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Posted 04 July 2010 - 12:48 PM

Actually, you're just a douche, and everyone knows that.
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Posted 04 July 2010 - 12:56 PM

Fortunately, your opinion is worthless because you've never done anything original in the slightest! :P
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Posted 04 July 2010 - 01:05 PM

Oh noes! I have no interwebz street cred! What will I do?!?

Split, I'm not in this hobby to be an elitist dick, unlike yourself.




Also, I wouldn't call most of your "achievements" achievements since they usually break anyway. I mean you do make the best non-working guns, I'll give you credit for that!
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Posted 04 July 2010 - 01:37 PM

Oh noes! I have no interwebz street cred! What will I do?!?

Split, I'm not in this hobby to be an elitist dick, unlike yourself.




Also, I wouldn't call most of your "achievements" achievements since they usually break anyway. I mean you do make the best non-working guns, I'll give you credit for that!

Lulzy. "I refuse to go to snake's war on principle, yet this is not srs bsns, and I'm not too good for them!" Super non-elitist of you.
Anyway, none of us could actually figure out what you're referring to. Lever action? Still works just fine, and that's just the prototype. Sm1? Works fine. DCIT? Works fine. Wire plunger rod/+pistol? Still works quite well. And those are just homemades. We think you might be talking about the rtp and firebow prototypes, one of which broke because I followed your suggestion of using PVC sheet; bad idea.

Edited by Split, 04 July 2010 - 01:51 PM.

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Posted 04 July 2010 - 02:01 PM

I don't go to Snake wars because his rules are heavily flawed, gametypes suck, deathmatch sucks, among other reasons, but not because I'm too supes leet. Also I'm not much of a fan of stock ammo. A little bit off subject?

But from what I recall, people on #nerfchat complaining how they buy something from you and it breaks in three different spots, and you not willing to fix the problem. I've heard that from at least three guns I can remember.

And I don't think I ever told anyone to use PVC sheet for anything. Sure I use it on barrel spacers, but they're barrel spacers.

All your guns broke at Deal, and I recall you ended up using a gun I made. I've seen plenty of your blasters, and frankly you're just a poor machinist.

If you want to attack me some more, do it in another thread, or somewhere else. I'd appreciate if you stopped hijacking my thread, posting some useless shit about how you "discovered" the hopper clip. I think the only reason you nerf and build stuff is so you feel super leet over 14 year old boys. Arguing about how you deserve credit for something is pretty childish. This is a community where we build ideas off of other ideas. Not about how you have the "leetist" design for a nerf gun, or about how someone else hasn't posted original content, which is also completely false.
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Posted 04 July 2010 - 02:18 PM

But from what I recall, people on #nerfchat complaining how they buy something from you and it breaks in three different spots, and you not willing to fix the problem. I've heard that from at least three guns I can remember.

And I don't think I ever told anyone to use PVC sheet for anything. Sure I use it on barrel spacers, but they're barrel spacers.


Yes it did break. However, Split has offered multiple times to fix it for me. He has made multiple replacement parts, and has shipped them to me the next day. All free of charge. Apart from that, it has performed flawlessly at all the wars I brought it to. I have no regrets buying it.

Again, I must have confused you with someone else.
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Posted 04 July 2010 - 02:19 PM

Sorry that I have to go against you Split but my LS that I bought when it came the screws were stripped.


Back on topic: Thanks for the guide it is great.

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Posted 04 July 2010 - 02:25 PM

Well, I'd PM you, but you're too good for PM's, right? You calling me elitist is how my comment wasn't off subject. So I'll just keep talking here. So wait, I nerf and make stuff to be better than 14 year olds; exactly how many were there at Deal? I must have just stomped all over them from my high tower, because I didn't see any at all! Same with pretty much all of my wars this year.

As for the credit thing, since this is a community where we build off of others' ideas: if people don't get credit from the community they're trying to help, why would they keep helping? I love your distinct lack of specific examples. My guns broke at Deal? The prototypes; I already mentioned that. I borrowed a +bow (which broke?) instead of using my 1500; not all of my guns, buddy. :)

Anyway, I haven't told anyone that I'd refuse to help them. Everyone that needed and wanted help, I've helped. At some point it's no longer my responsibility, and even then I have helped. There are some people who I offer to help, and they refuse my help, but I don't see how that's any different of a reflection on me. I do hear plenty of stories of you just chalking up peoples' problems with your workmanship up to "user error," when it's clearly not, and I have had to fix many of the things you've made, which would be exclusively +bows.

Taking things out of context and spinning words are also useful arguing fallacies. No one said anything about having the leetest credit, and you having no original content isn't a reflection on your work, merely on the value of your opinion on matters.

Response to below: Nope; actually, neither had seen that, so no inspiration from there. Thanks though.

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Posted 04 July 2010 - 02:30 PM

Guys, guys ... this is supposed to be a thread about making your own hopper clips.

If anyone's going to try a credit-grab on this method of dart feeding, they should be required to show some better bona fides than Carrtoon's posts from 2006, which obviously pre-dated and probably helped inspire the current version.

Back on the subject of hopper clips, has anyone tried using PEX for the magazine section?
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Posted 04 July 2010 - 11:18 PM

Back on the subject of hopper clips, has anyone tried using PEX for the magazine section?


I tried a 1ft section, and it was... floppy. It also doesn't fit PVC connections, so you have grind away some of the inside of the wye. I would just soon use thinwall PVC. It is, however, very lightweight.



Guys, guys ... this is supposed to be a thread about making your own hopper clips.

If anyone's going to try a credit-grab on this method of dart feeding, they should be required to show some better bona fides than Carrtoon's posts from 2006, which obviously pre-dated and probably helped inspire the current version.



There have been several posts about hopper clips over the past several years. Carbon's submission pre-date's Carrtoon's post by two weeks. I myself have been using hoppers at wars since July 2009 (at the MN Ex-SOF). The idea has been floating around the community for ages, and it is now finally becoming refined enough to be war-practical.
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Posted 05 July 2010 - 05:36 AM

I tried something interesting with a hopper clip a couple days ago. I heated a single piece of 1/2" PVC in the middle of it and then stretched and bent it to a round 45 degree angle. It was bent smoothly enough that a 1" dart could fall through the whole thing. Then I cut off the pipe just past the bend and put on a flared CPVC barrel, drilled a 3/8" hole in the back of the bend and attached it to a SF. The gradual bend in the PVC (compared to the sharp angle of the wye) allowed the hopper clip to work on a SF. With a very poor dart/barrel fit and too long of a barrel, it hit about 60', so there's some potential here.

The point of this is that I think we can get hopper clips working on less powerful blasters if we use this method. When I find time, I'll post a more detailed write-up with pictures, probably next weekend.
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Posted 05 July 2010 - 12:33 PM

I tried something interesting with a hopper clip a couple days ago. I heated a single piece of 1/2" PVC in the middle of it and then stretched and bent it to a round 45 degree angle.


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Posted 05 July 2010 - 12:36 PM

Ohh... that sounds really cool. I've been struggling to get them to work with lower-powered blasters, and I figured that it had to do with the layout of the wye. On a fundamental level, they are just bent RSCB clips, so there's no reason they shouldn't work on things like the splitfire (provided that you can get the dart to seat right). Pics or GTFO!
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Posted 05 July 2010 - 01:59 PM

Kane and I did something similar with FlexPVC. It also worked with streamlines.

Good find, Bob.
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