So how many springs (and what springs) do you feel comfortable with in your Longshot? Also, what ranges if you can give them.

You could use less springs or only one and just stretch the hell out of them.

Talk about the blind leading the blind. I don't usually advocate judging someone's expertise based on their post count, but here I might make an exception. Stretching a spring may give you a temporary increase in the force which is applied to the plunger, but the spring will quickly return to it's original state. On top of that, stretching the spring causes the spring to loose it's shape overall, which may result in the spring ending up weaker than it was before.

Don't worry, im not that dim. I know that fact.

my LS has a longshot spring recon spring a maverick spring and a nightfinder spring

Is it a bitch to prime?

Thanks for the suggestion, for some reason I always thought those had the reverse springs in them. (the ones that are stetched out as opposed to compressed)

So i put in all the springs (listed above) and it gets maybe 60-65ft.
Oh well, my BBB is my primary gun anyways. I'll use the LS as a back up if I need it.

I would use a BBB spring if i had a spare one..
Maybe i'll try to buy one. Has anyone ever found one in a hardware store with similar qualities?

I'm gonna try out the original, recon, and 2 mav springs and see how that works.

I've got the original LS spring in as well as another, sturdier, probably way too powerful for the longshot spring in, and its a bitch to prime. Last time i did I think i heard something snap, but i'll check to see if anythings damaged in the morning. I used to have the original and 2 maverick springs (they fit really well) in, but i was unsatisfied with the ranges.

So how many springs (and what springs) do you feel comfortable with in your Longshot? Also, what ranges if you can give them.

Such as..?

Mine with the 2 Mav springs and the original got maybe around 50-60 ft. flat. Maybe.

Maybe, but like having at least 2 springs in at once.

I believe someone, Ice i think, told me on youtube how he got crazy ranges by using a combination of 3 springs in his. And not to say anything bad about him, but i don't see how thats probable. And if he DID use 3, the same 3 as me, im not getting anywhere near as good range.

That PJ is SICK. I'll definitely dry-brush my next gun.

Okay, so im sure we've all seen a door closer before.

This is the kind i mean.
http://ecx.images-am...YZL._SL500_.jpg

I got a tip once to take the spring out of one and use it in a gun, but now im thinking that this would make a pretty good plunger tube + plunger rod + spring combo. It just needs a barrel, trigger catch (along with a notch for the catch to well..catch, on the rod), and a trigger system. Has this ever been done before? I tried searching but nothing came up.

Also if this has been done, are the results good?

In my vast adventures with my screen door, I have gained great wisdom and power. Also, they make doors close slowly, and that's not really the idea you would want in a homemade plunger tube. Unless this is a type of closer I've never seen, or you have some internal changes planned first.

The reason it closes so slowly (at least on mine) is because of a screw on the other end where a barrel would be ideal. Just unscrew it and you have complete and un-restricted airflow. Anyways i can always just drill a bigger hole in it if its too small. Trust me, this seems fool-proof.

I honestly just wanted to use this as a plunger tube in the NF + NF = Crossbow look-a-like someone made. But im not sure if the shells could hold up to this thing.

And to Split, yes, theres a spring in it. A pretty big one if im not mistaken.

I might just use the 2 tubes from the NFs, but i thought this would be much higher on the kick-ass scale.
Any suggestions..?

I'll take your word for it, i'll definitly either just take the spring out and use that or use the closer as a whole.

Yes, these contain a huge ass spring. I've put part of one of these springs in both my BBB and Daedalus, and get great ranges with both. In my humble opinion, however, it is easier to just remove the spring and use it in mods/homemades and make your own plunger tube. The spring I have fits great in 1" thinwall and could be used in the Longshot and the BBB(obviously).

Sounds good to me, thanks for the suggestion.
How'd you cut it open? The tube, not the spring.

Good job, creative way to attach the air tank. But the pump thing has been done before. This mod sticks out in my mind---> http://www.nerfhq.co...hp?topic=5597.0

Damn..thought i was the first. Thanks for letting me know, though.

Everything excluding the screw hole. i know what you meant.
And about the halves thing, i can always just cut away the hot glue and the front and back of where i glued down the NF shell, thats the only thing from keeping me from opening it. That and the screws, obviously.

Oh ok, thanks for clearing that up. I think I'm going to do this with epoxy putty, normal epoxy doesn't like me very much, stuff gets glued to the wrong things. Thanks for re-motivating me to get on this project, and i hope yours stays together without problems.

I thought of doing this with Bondo, but that would've been too messy for my liking. Also thought of some crazy way to get halves of large PVC to hold the NF in place while the epoxy cured.

I had alot of ideas for this mod, including one where i took an empty tin can and make a shell for the AT2K tank with the Longshot's front gun's handle & trigger. Glad i didn't, it would've been very flimsy. But it was all part of the brainstorming process.

That's just plain awesome. I do have a thought/suggestion, though.

2k's, even quadded ones with barrels as short as yours are, should be getting more than 40-50 foot ranges. Since you've shortened the 2k's pump length by a fair margin, AND you have a larger tank to fill than before due to the sizable length of tubing, it's perfectly legitimate and safe (provided your tubing connections are glued securely and not leaking) to give it a few extra pumps. 3-4 pumps is ideal and expected for non-integrated 2ks with stock internals save pump plugging and barrel replacement, but you have more space to fill with a smaller pump now. I'd be willing to guess that with 6-7 pumps, you could get a more reasonable 70-80 feet out of your 2k, and the overall pressure would be about that of having 3-4 pumps on a standard set of internals. Your dart velocity will improve, and the effective range will be...well, far more effective.

GREAT work. I love it. One of these days, I'm gonna go buy another 3B. One of these days...

Thanks for the suggestion, I'll definitely try it.
I was kinda unsatisfied with the AT2K ranges, anyways. And unless I hold down the trigger for about 1-2 seconds (nothing less) the ranges blow even more. Maybe i'll take some needle nose pliers and tilt the wire on the trigger pin a little more backwards to achieve more air being released. Anyways, thanks alot. Really, I'm honored you love it.

EDIT: Yes, Falcon was right. I can get 5-6 pumps in before the over pressure starts kicking in. Ranges are about 60-70. I think the turret on the AT2K may have an air leak where the tank meets the turret, so i'm going to investigate that when I get the chance. Probably just a bad seal is all.

And Vicarious is an amazing song.

Win. Win win win win win win win. You sir, win. And thank you.

You are one crazy motherfucker for doing something like that. Is the whole grip cut off except for the screw hole, or just the grip part excluding the screw hole little ridge on the bottom of the gun? (I see how this is an odd thing to try to explain now) The picture was a bit dark, so I was just wondering.

Everything excluding the screw hole. i know what you meant.
And about the halves thing, i can always just cut away the hot glue and the front and back of where i glued down the NF shell, thats the only thing from keeping me from opening it. That and the screws, obviously.

This write up will be done in two parts: One about the BBB mods and then the AT2K integration.

Now, you read the title and must be thinking "what happened to Mk. I-III?"
Those were a series of upgrades and/or times when something broke and needed to be replaced/repaired.

Now, as many modders can imagine, after something breaks it can be very, very frustrating.

Thats why i decided to to a complete overhaul of the gun, along with a few additions that would make it an overall better gun.

Did basic mods (AR's out early on when i first got the gun).

For the spring replacement i took a small cut (not too thin, or it'll snap) of CPVC and used various tools (dremel, xacto knife, rounded file) to make it into a squarish shape for it to fit onto the plunger rod. Then just slide on the NF (or other) spring.


I tested this out, and it turns out I got the plunger tube so lubed up that the NF spring slipped over the CPVC and got entangled with the BBB spring. I then took the cap of a Powerade bottle and cut in into similar dimensions of the CPVC (not pictured) and put that inbetween the CPVC and the NF spring. Worked wonderfully from there on.


I've been through at least 3 different barrel/coupler mods. All of which have been failures or have been upgraded.
I completely cut off the orange barrel, and dremeled it out to fit a 3/4" PVC coupler which i cut just past the little notch in the center of it.

One of these: http://rayssupplycom...arson_v-103.jpg

I pushed it through the hole so that the center "notch" on the outside (as i'll call it) was against the wall of the orange piece.


Then goop'd it.


Then I put on a 3/4" PVC adapter that has the "female" part of the screw onto the other coupler, allowing just enough space inbetween them for the case to fit on. Then i wrapped 1-2 layers of E-tape around the space between them to stabilize the barrel.


Goop'd it in place too.

The plunger head was pressing against the PVC coupler that was first goop'd down, so i had to cut a small bit of it off to keep from bashing the thing off.


Part One is finished!

Now for the ATsK integration. Let it be known that ForsakenAngel24's BBB mod the "Angel Bow" was the main inspiration for this mod. I've never seen this done before, but if anyone has please let me know.

I took apart my AT2K from this mod ( http://nerfhaven.com...c=12926&hl=AT2K ) and set it next to my opened BBB.


I took the front two pieces of the BBB (where the front handle is) and started emptying out all the little notches in the top part where the purple rod slides when the gun is cocked. To make way for the AT2K pump.




Make sure it fits well when the shell is closed.


You need to measure how the pump handle will be when the gun is closed and in the cocked position. Cut the purple rod enough so that the pump is completely closed when the BB is closed, in other words.

I cut the end of the pump handle (without the handle) so that it'd fit in the hole where the purple rod used to be.


I drilled holes through what was left of the purple rod horizontally so i could fit a piece of coat hanger through the holes to keep the pump attached.


That old yellow vynal tubing has to go. Get yourself about 3 ft. of 1/8" OD 1/4" ID vynal tubing from a hardware store. Squeeze it onto the pump nozzle after you've cut off the old yellow tubing.


Take off the goo gauge of the AT2K internals and cut the new vynal tubing so that you can squeeze it into the air tank. Find a way that it fits snuggly so you'll know how when its time to really connect it.

This next step is completely up to you how you want to do it. I took a NF shell with the trigger system still stock and put the air tank inside so that when the trigger is pulled a wire pulls on the rod of the air tank causing it to release the compressed air.

The shell needed to be "thinned out" on the inside a bit to accommodate the tank.




This is how i hooked up the trigger system, yes thats the bic pen mod on the air tank.

Its not pictured but I drilled a small hole towards the center of the trigger towards the top so the wire will fit in.

I wanted the original (but modded) rotating turret from the AT2K to fit, so i cut vertically on the NF so that the part where the turret and the air tank meet would be nice and snug. Then i took my round file tool (a dremel can be used too) and emptied out a place for the part of the turret with the spring.


Before you finally close the NF up, take that new tubing and position it on the gun that works for you. You'll see in the final shots how I did. Then measure where the NF shell will be (where the front handle currently is) and cut the new tubing according to where the air tank will be.

Then, take the still opened NF and the tubing and squeeze it into the air tank nice and tight. I hot glued it into place on the tank, and along the inside walls of the shell. The tubing led out the back of the shell where the NF plunger rod would've been.

Put the NF shell back together and it looked like this:


I painted the gun before it was finished, not sure why. But i cut off the front handle of the BBB while leaving the screw hole thats located right below the barrel to keep the shell from coming open.


Took 2-Ton epoxy and epoxied the NF to the space where the front handle was cut off. Then Hot glued all the way around it to help keep it in place while the epoxy cured.


Once its dried you are now capable of making it look far less ugly that it does.
Final product:


"Fully loaded":


To anyone who's wondering, the AT2K is pumped by holding down the BBB trigger and moving the BBB from the cocked position to the normal 3-4 times.

Video:


Ranges:
BBB: 90-100 ft
AT2K: 40-50 ft

I decided to name it "Vicarious" because of a particular line of lyrics in the song "Vicarious" by Tool:
"Cause I need to watch things die... from a distance."
"Vicariously I live while the whole world dies."

Q's? C's? F's?

No, this is an all or nothing mod. Its glued on as a whole. But that doesn't mean yours can't be in halves.

There was enough flat surface for the top of the NF to fit, and where that screw hole is below the barrel of the BBB, it fits the gap between the little barrel "ring" and the rest of the gun on the NF almost perfectly. just some sandpaper will do the trick.

Drinking energy drinks in hopes of a delicious beverage is fucking retarded.

Trü Dat.
But its a cool mod, i hadn't thought of doing that to a Vulcan.

Love it when POS-looking guns end up being deadly.

Angel I always love your mods, I really do. But I do not like this habit your getting into of making video mods. I think that a written picture riddled mod is much more effective and easier to follow. However, I am a very fast reader and through the 20 minutes it would take me to watch an entire video log I can read a whole mod in 10. Yes, I do realize it is much easier to produce a video and not go editing pictures and what not but a written deal is just so much simpler.

I hope you keep coming out with great work though, regardless of how you document your efforts.

This mod has been done many times, written especially. I give Angel props for taking the time out of his schedule to make something of this quality in video form. Be glad he even made it. With his schedule, be happy he didn't just post it in the Mods/Paintjob thread. Have a little more appreciation.

I was. I apreciate it a lot. I was just saying taking an all video route for mods is not the right way to go. Sorry for having an opinion. I realize that this was not an entirely new mod, but I was pointing out a pattern that seems to be immersing.

If angel didn't want our input, whether it be good or bad, he wouldn't post a thread. Now stop backseat modding and let others express their ideas.

And I was merely saying that since, as you said, this is not a fairly new nor RARE mod it wouldn't be so bad if every once in a while someone wanted to make a video about a mod instead of litter these forums with mods that have been done over and over and over again to the point that it clogs everything up.

1. Don't pull that bullshit "sorry for having an opinion". Join the fucking club.
2. Did you not see my post on the first page? I do believe I was complimenting him on what a great job he did.
3. What exactly does "backseat modding" imply that I do? I contribute my own original stuff as well as my own versions of pre-existing mods, so i believe i'm breaking that barrier.

Beautiful, and great work as always.
My next gun will definitely be from ERTL. Has anyone any news of future blasters from this company?


Was that a little teaser at the end, there?

Angel I always love your mods, I really do. But I do not like this habit your getting into of making video mods. I think that a written picture riddled mod is much more effective and easier to follow. However, I am a very fast reader and through the 20 minutes it would take me to watch an entire video log I can read a whole mod in 10. Yes, I do realize it is much easier to produce a video and not go editing pictures and what not but a written deal is just so much simpler.

I hope you keep coming out with great work though, regardless of how you document your efforts.

This mod has been done many times, written especially. I give Angel props for taking the time out of his schedule to make something of this quality in video form. Be glad he even made it. With his schedule, be happy he didn't just post it in the Mods/Paintjob thread. Have a little more appreciation.

LESSON LEARNED: Always check before you buy or permanently mod.

Why...

...haven't you posted a video of this yet?

That's about as much of a nerfgun as this is:

Why you be hatin'?

Er.. nevermind.

You always post some of the more interesting write-ups.. Nice job! Although I do hate the shell on this gun. I'd probably cut off all unnecessary parts right away.

From personal experience when its not freezing or below freezing, cold weather works wonders on drying. At least in the wind.
It cuts down on the time you spend waiting inbetween coats so you can get your ass inside faster.

Not something that hard to grasp, i realize.

Yes i'm sure it is. Now why don't you go out and try it?

Mocky, i've tried doing that before and it just doesn't work. I have the Recon with the longer "plunger guard" thing and it doesn't allow any space for a spring (at least of that size) in there.

EDIT: Sorry, thought you were talking about just the regular Recon internals, my bad.

I just got my first (<3) AT2K this morning and i want the bic pen mod on it, but im not sure if you put the spring close to the air tank or let the pen separate them. Or do you completely take the spring out? Help?

Thought so. Thanks.

Yes, i was merely saying the 4 pictures would be the same as just 2.

That looks badasssssss. I feel like making something like that now..

It looks like you just took the same 2 pictures twice. Learn to look at your shots after taking them.

Anyways, it looks pretty nice. I personally would put a handle of some sort on it to make pulling the trigger more comfortable. And as for the pump.. Its really up to your preference of ergonomics.

It seems like "a waste of time" would be trying to get it back and somehow super glueing it back on to the end of the firing pin without cutting it open. But if you feel up to that task, shoot.

SInce this is a AT2K questions thread I thought I'd post mine also.

How does someone generally load a long barrel thats not a breech? A ramrod?

Well it could be a coupler and not just a long barrel. Couplers are long barrels that are detachable and you manually feed the dart into the end of it that goes into the gun so it travels through the entire barrel when fired.

Yes, ramroding is used sometimes. I even use it on my NF sometimes.