Hey, I was searching even further through the older forums on this site and found this Chicagoland Nerf Facebook group: http://nerfhaven.com/forums/topic/27300-scsnw-presents-frozen-foam-n-foliage-il/?hl=chicago 

 

 The link advertises a war that happened last November in Romeoville, but maybe we could use it to invite some people that have attended one of their wars? I can do it myself, I have an account.

Yes, use that, use anything you can, we just need people, I don't care if we get 60 people or 6 people, we just should get a war up and running because I would like to meet the community.

 

I'm not trying to discourage you from hosting your own war.  Unfortunately, yes, I feel like I have to be a downer, because people get a little short sighted sometimes and need a reality check.  It isn't personal.

      Fair enough, I can see why you would want to say that, and hey that's fine to be a downer just don't go around saying things along the lines of "don't do this because there is another group and you guys have a bad idea" because that can be picked up like how I did which was I thought you were trying to discourage us from doing a war. 

      My point is though I have been itching to get involved in the community and quite possibly run something myself because we have a perfect location and a bunch of people that would come.(As i mentioned I can get up to 30 people by myself)

 

It looks like you've been around this site for a while and are pretty active as of late. I was curious if you knew anyone from our area that could join this war, or anyone from the west coast that has contacts near us. There's obviously a great nerf scene on both the east and west coasts, but in terms of the Midwest: every major group is scattered at least 2 or 3 hours away from Chicago i.e. Grand Rapids, Milwaukee, Iowa City, Dayton, etc. As you see there hasn't been a huge response from since the posting, kind of odd for the 3rd largest city in America. I've a feeling that maybe all we need is some advertising to get people's attention. What do you say man?

 

Also, Jim, I find it funny that you could be my dad. No disrespect or nothing, it's just a little weird and funny. Its good to see that age doesn't take the fun out of Nerf for ya. Hopefully I'll be the same in 20 years.

Yeah, at this point I think it may be smart to post a thread about this. I will do that right now in fact and we can continue this there, but I feel like it would be smart to put this in a place where people know what we are talking about by the title. I think that would be ample advertising and would get us somewhere, and think why we haven't gotten anyone is because few people check every thread.

[url=https://youtu.be/RL6QLOlr_L8]This thread exists because the moderation staff (me in particular) wanted to clarify some existing misconceptions, and misunderstandings, about NerfHaven's moderation policies as well as ask users for honest feedback about what they like and don't like. Feel free to be totally honest; this is a "safe space," in the sense that no opinions* will cause you to be banned.

I have a few things to say but first I would like to put out there that some of you may remember me posting the topic "why is this wiki(learned it was a forum later on) so strict?" My point in pointing out that I was that person was since I got a lot of responses that in essence told me to first lurk until I wasn't a FNG, and that the strictness is what holds this site together. Secondly, while I won't try to offend Killzone here, but I think the admins should prevent threads like "Merf.co" from being so confusing by either taking it down or editing it. The reason why I think this should be done is since that overall the above thread made no sense whatsoever, and if I was new my reaction to that thread would be to leave the forum.(as a result of it making zero sense and all responses not helping at all.) Finally, this is more of a personal thing but I believe we should have a thread dedicated to semi-tricky mods like rewire/voltage boost guides for flywheels(since I am still working with Trustfires and have no clue how to rewire a nerf gun){side note:someone needs to correct and rework the modification directory}

Letting everyone know that we now have the best source for anything nerf.

Introducing,

Lighttake:http://www.lightake....e=0&pagesize=20

To give you an idea on how crazy this is, 1000 darts go for $18, and clear 18 mags go for $3 a pop, that's a third of all places previously available, and there have been multiple people saying it's not a scam.

They have darts of every color I have ever seen, anything from red, to purple, even on the mags

Plus, gone forever are the days of slugs, there are slug lookalikes for $1.99 per 50, this is just crazy, splurge while you can.

For the stuff I've looked at, shipping is not included in price. Add an extra $5 in there; though if they combine it might be an ok way to stock up.

Yes, ok, you are right, just checked and it's $31 including shipping for 1000, however, it's still a viable alternative because last I checked that's still cheaper than like eBay

I'll be ordering a few magazines to see if this site is legit, the prices are pretty nice. The colors are not new however. 
I've yet to see a durable, consistent, safe, and hopperable dart comparable to the slug with minimal wye modifications. I'm not seeing anything that fits the bill there.

A.)already done, Walcom was offered free stuff in the nerf department, usually, that means not a scam at all

B.)wrong, there are cut down ACCs, weird slug lookalikes, elites, worker, and you can manually cut accustrike darts and more. Here's the link, options, my friend, select the kind you want

http://www.lightake....tml?sku=2231060

C) even if slugs are better, these are cheaper, and like silly darts will feed with corn starch, these may be the same way. It may be possible, and it's very likely that any of the above mentioned kinds could work, albeit maybe a fix or two, and as I said, they have look alike slugs, if slugs work, these will, and are cheaper. Plus, if you are able to cut down accustrike darts, which I believe hopper, you can get 1000 for $18 as opposed to usually $20 plus endless amounts of time to make 200 slugs

Edit:oh and foam blast also seems to have gotten stuff

I'm well aware of the various cut-down darts and their properties. Some have rock-hard tips, some aren't glued very well, some fly all over the place. For super stock and HvZ, they work fine however.
My point still stands. There is not a safe, hopperable, durable, and consistent dart from China. Accustrikes do not hopper consistently. 
I remain skeptical until I see a video of them going through a hopper with a standard barrel, shooting 200+ fps in a laser straight line. Also, fuck carrying cornstarch around.

Yeah I guess. And well then, I guess cornstarch is only for some people.

It's a good option for cheap ammo and ugly-color mags or 18-dart mags. They don't offer too much else that's of interest yet.

Yeah, but hey the mags and darts are good, that's all I care about

It's a good option for cheap ammo and ugly-color mags or 18-dart mags. They don't offer too much else that's of interest 

yeah, but still they are good mags, i have some, they are really good, and work fine in any blaster. Still, it's cheap

Protip: Don't go into the free shipping section, it's full of dildos

haha yeah xD we need a banner on here that says "beware of b.o.n.a.r.s" which stands for big, orange, nerf arrows and rockets, specifically

 

 

Welcome to the internet

it's scary place #shudders#

I play with just a bunch of kids (+/-70) from the neighborhood and adults (30-40). Trust me, you need to break up into teams. Free-for-all with newbies will just be a brawl with no rules; it'll be fun for all of 20 minutes. Breaking up into teams should take a few minutes; equipment you should get is something to signify teams with. Rolls of colored duct tape or flagging tape are cheap & easy options.
 
Also, This is literally 4 topics up from yours right now. If you've never run a war, two-team CTF is a game that everyone should already understand so it'd be easy to play. Do 3-hits and 30-seconds counting at each team's base to respawn if you have the numbers you think you will; 15 seconds if you have 20 or less. The 'flags' should be heavy and/or awkward things (yoga balls, Giant 10+' tall flags, medicine balls, a folding table & chairs, etc. etc.) if you're in a field you can sprint across in a few seconds, they can be regular flags if not.
 
 

 
 Then thin the heard on the VIP team. If you can wipe the enemy team solo, you be the VIP team.
 
In our games, I have wiped entire opposing teams. I have also been knocked out a ton of times. The trick to having fun is that the other teams get players like me too - you've got to spread the older guys around, spread the more experienced guys around, spread the better equipped guys around, and spread the less experienced cannon fodder around. That'll keep the teams balanced, which is more fun than unbalanced.
 
If you're all doing this for the enjoyment of 1 person, then you and other volunteers be on the opposite team and throw the game in their favor. If you stack their team against a bunch of unprepared neighborhood kids those kids will not have fun and will throw the game for you - by leaving. Not fun.
 

 
It'd not a challenge to have mag fed blasters vs. not mag fed blasters. All blasters that operate in similar ways (Spring, Flywheel, H/LPA) have similar performance characteristics, and all modern NERF stock blasters fire within margin of error of the same. It's just the loading mech that is different, and I'm telling you, I played with a kid who had a rapidstrike in his backpack. He was using a strongarm or something instead because he said the RS jammed all the time. The challenge would just be in spending lots of time carefully modding and teaching all the kids to use a blaster they can't use properly anyway because they're impatient and their strength/dexterity isn't developed enough to handle them in the heat of the war without extensive training (basically, unless they own and play with the things all the time).
 

Why give the pros anything? Let them bring their own gear. Everyone should bring his/her own gear, and if they don't have anything but still care to show up and play you should have enough loaner front-loaders to hand out. My friend (who is the host of aforementioned war) says roughcuts work best; I've seen my 4-yo use one. But they're fickle about darts; IMO a strongarm, hammershot, triad, or disrupter are probably the best bets. Maybe Magnum-40's. Ask your pro friends if they have loaners they can provide and you won't even need to buy anything.

1.)I don't think you are exactly getting the point, there is a reason why we are doing free for all and that is because we are modeling this after a water ballon war we had last year where everyone just went everywhere, no organized play, no teams, except for me and a few friends that stuck together and basically recked shop, however I will need to run this by with my neighbor. But that being said I may think of doing the fun part then the actual game part. You are right, the water war lasted for about 20 minutes and then fizzled out. I mean part of it is that I just don't think most people will be coming for nerf, my friends and a select few people from the neighborhood are there for the nerf guns and war, but people are there for my neighbor, and to have fun, not to have a team. You need to bear in mind my neighbor also can barely move and likely will be in a wheelchair and have sort of a convey of the pros, hence why we have them in the first place. 

 

2.)That being said you are right, I will work on balancing the pros a bit more.

 

3.)I don't know, all I know is I need mags and I'm wondering if these actually work, yes and again do realize the standard of the stuff I already have, plus I have a bunch of mags so to be able to use the same exact thing, so in the future when I get to use them on my own I will be able to use my mags too and they will be actually useful.

 

4.)Meaker, I'm not made of money, right now the cheapest thing with the most value would be these clips if they work, and a champion, almost all blasters I have are mag compatible, I'm wondering if these mags work and that is all, and most of the pros have stuff, but some don't and just are good players because of sports or paintball/airsoft

I find 2-team battles go better than free-for-alls, FYI. Even just for fun. Gunslinger could also be a better round.
 

 
You keep trying to compromise between people: I'm telling you, I've shown up fully loaded and done just as well as a guy with a single triad. It's about the individual player's playstyle, not their equipment, and they'll adjust to how well/not well equipped they are.
 

I'm having a hard time understanding that. I find strongarms (or similar) at thrift stores all the time for a few bucks, and Triads, Strongarms and Hammershots are all valid secondaries even if you go mag-fed. All three will pretty well match most unmodded mag-fed blasters (buzz bee is the exception) and are just  as 'useful', you just can't carry as much ammo. Big deal, everyone scavenges more often.
 
For the cost of mags alone you could pick up triads for everybody and call it a day. Unless you already have the mag-fed blasters, get/use something else, and even if you do I'd strongly consider picking up some non-mag fed blasters.
 

I don't think this will go the way you think it will go. Just because it's a special event doesn't mean everyone will suddenly not be terrible at using mag-fed blasters. If you want to make it special for your neighbor, make sure it works for everyone and limit possible frustration points. Give the neighbor the only mag fed blaster and clips and teach them how to use it, so they get to have extra-fun.

1.)Well free for all is most likely what we are going to be doing because it's just a group of people from the neighborhood, including fairly old adults(40-50), however we may try gamemodes, speaking of which does anyone know a database for different gamemodes?

 

2.)Fair enough, but the thing is that we need something mag fed to level the playing ground, I know very well I excel at this because of my skill not my blasters, although that amplifies it. The problem with non-mag fed is that the point of having a VIP team and getting loaners is so we actually have fun, and have to work together rather than wipe the floor with everyone just because we have access to many guns. Trust me, I know the people we are going against, myself alone I could take down about 5-6 players with a triad and we are talking about 10 people on the VIP team

 

3.)Hmmmmmmm, it's an option but I still feel it would be better if we get mag fed blasters to allow an actual challenge.

 

4.)Then again we could also just give the pros these, but that being said either way we need to get mags, even if it's for less people which was why I asked for cheap mags and wanted to know if these work

Has anyone tried out these and know if they work? Looking for bulk mags and I see the reviews saying varying things and wondering if anyone knows wether or not it would even be worth looking into these.

Link:http://www.ebay.com/...er/252076908868

You're looking for something like this IMO, if you get them for 12$ you're paying about 6$ a mag. 
I also have seen terribad quality for those offbrand or knockoff mags. Not sure why you need so many mags, if you just ask for a fuckton of 6 mags you could make those extended old LS mags (I did that and ran them decently for a while since I ran into a similar dilemma)

  
I need a bunch of mags because I'm hosting a war with 30+ people and need at least 1, preferably 2 per person, and one loaner for more than half of that number so I don't exactly have the money to spend on anything except the most bulk and absolute cheapest option. I don't care if I have to file down a billion mags and tell everyone to only use 11 darts, I just need to know if anyone has any experience with them and if they actually are a viable option.

You can find Buzz Bee 20s pretty cheap at walmarts when they have a sale. They need filing to fit in some blasters, but feed smoothly and are higher capacity.

Yeah I already looked into those, but they are too pricey right now and I need these mags soon or they won't arrive in time.

Absolutely 100% do not loan magazine fed blasters to nerf beginners. They will break your blasters, destroy your darts, and have a very frustrating experience. You can bring a box of 1000 brand new elite darts and every single newbie with a mag fed blaster will manage to scavenge whistlers to put in their mags.

 

edit: also, it is not the host of a wars job to make sure there are enough magazines/stocks/blasters for everyone unless you explicitly promised everyone they didn't need to bring anything. If someone is interested enough in a nerf war to show up they should be interested enough to spend $10 on a triad or something. Your job as a host is to make sure the people with 'starter' blasters are distributed evenly between teams, not that everyone who shows up has a retaliator and three mags.

Again, as said below this isn't a standard war, I trust everyone there and we will be guiding them on how to un-jam, we also aren't using retalitors, we are using champions for some of the loaners.

Edit:there are no teams, there will be a VIP team of the pros protecting my neighbor but this is just for fun

 

Can you get non-mag blasters for everyone? Mag loaded blasters do not make good loaners.

I could, but as a compromise between the people who have stuff and the ones who don't it is better to get something that everyone, not just people who need the loaners, could use. I know they don't, but this isn't exactly a regular war and there will be no large head darts there so mag blasters work. On top of that, the price of the mag fed blaster we would be getting has more firepower and usefulness than any other blaster at that price range

 

I know I didn't mention this but this isn't a regular war, this is a thing hosted by me for my neighbor that has cancer, so everyone there we will know. That also provides us with the opportunity of telling everyone how to successfully un-jam guns and have all of them actually listen. 

Bump for above because apparently it decided not to actually register that I posted
Edit:mod please condense post, I am honestly not sure why it posted twice, then also wouldn't register

I have run three wars, most of which had over 30 people of varying ages, nerf experience, and enthusiasm, some with very little budget. I will say to you again, from experience, it is not your job as host to make sure everyone who shows up has a gear loadout that you think is optimal.  Most of the people coming should be bringing their own blasters, and the available loaners for people who don't should not be magazine fed, especially not fed from cheapo magazines that don't correctly fit or feed. If you want advice on running a war, I am happy to tell you everything I know and I am sure plenty of other people would be as well. If you want me to tell you you're making great decisions by buying bulk mags to use in loaners, that's not going to happen. That wouldn't be support, that would be me lying to you and encouraging you to waste your money. People will come to wars with a jolt and have fun. Fun is what you should be going for here. You're not training elite nerf teams for Endwar or a trip to the SENC. You're having a fun event for mostly non-competitive nerfers to benefit a dying friend. You would probably be better off banning magazine fed blasters rather than trying to ensure there are enough for everyone.

Ok, I think I finally get the point you are getting across, then that decides it. I will still be getting mags, because the main problem is banning mags would just decrease the amount of blasters available by about two thirds and that's not a good idea when I know for a fact a bunch of people won't have blasters. However I think I'm going to take your advice and for the loaners I'm going to get some sort of non-mag fed blaster.

Still, my point was I think it would have been smarter if I provided mag fed blasters because although this is a one time thing, i don't have the intention of letting people keep these, so my thought was that it is smarter to get something I can use more and quite possibly mod them later on. Like for example I was planning on getting champions, and if I did I would be able to theoretically mod every single one to hell and back with pump grips and everything if I ever took a small group of friends with me to endwar.

Thank you for the advice though

Edit:and in case you didn't get it, I meant I'm getting mags still because we need enough for the existing blasters we have, but perhaps not for everyone

 
OH,  why didn't you say that earlier? Then I'd have gotten the point of your argument earlier.
 

 
See, this whole time, I've been under the impression you were hosting a nerf war for your neighbor. Largely based on this post:

 
If you just want to throw a party do whatever. If you want to throw the war you mentioned originally, and think people will come to play (It's still a fun event/party), then you need to provide some structure. You can let everybody just do the OK-corral thing while waiting for everyone to arrive.
 
When the people come, assign a portion of them to your neighbor who needs the help. Have someone responsible and capable help escort/push them around if they're in a wheelchair and give them a body guard or 2. If they can use a blaster let them, otherwise try to rig something up on the chair so they can push a button to fire it (or whatever their mobility level allows). Probably no more than 10% of your group should be involved in directly helping them play; otherwise it'll either feel OP or they'll feel like they're being overly helped. It isn't (usually) fun to just win by crushing your overmatched opponent.
 

 
Great. Let us know if you need any ideas.
 

 
So I think I see what you're getting at - YOU have mag-fed blasters and YOU  want the mags for future use; not for the benefit of the war. See next response.
 

If you're not made of money why are you even considering buying up possibly junk mags? I'd try buying 1-2 of these to see how they work if I were then going to buy a few dozen. Otherwise, I wouldn't waste my time/energy/treasure on possible junk when the real thing can be had for ~200% of the cost of these. If you further already have mag-fed blasters and already have a few clips to go with those. I've prefaced and couched my responses every time with something like "Unless you've already got mag-fed stuff..." Nobody needs extra mags, they can use the 1 that comes with the blaster and if they aren't invested in this party enough to be bringing their own kit it's on them if they don't like what you're generous enough to lend them.

 

You'd be way better off spending the same few bucks on good community darts than on these mags.

1.)Ok thank you for getting what I was saying, so yeah I may try these but hey meaker or anyone else do you know any other cheap mags you can get? We are looking for hopefully less than $10 per mag but ALL OPTIONS ARE WANTED within a reasonable price. 

2.)Well the VIP team needs enough mags, because some of them will be having full loadouts with tac gear and everything, like how I will have that VISM ak mag carrier, so cheap mags are wanted.

3.)Yeah, having extra mags is the thing we need though, because reloading will kill the team or just subject us to a lot of fire.

I have these mags. They only fit in a rebelle rapid red without modification. Any other blaster would need the mag modded. They only hold 11 but can be modded for 14. They function fine with the only complaint being that they are very brittle. They will not survive a 3 to 4 foot drop on any hard surface. They also normally come from China and take a long time to get them. Hope this helps. NERF on!

Ok cool, thank you for being the only one who got the point of this topic. All those down sides are ok, and could you link me or show me how to mod so they hold 14? Also the brittleness is ok, we are going to be on a street and lawns so for the most part we won't have a hard surface they can drop on, do you think a few layers of duct tape would fix the brittleness.


  

Triads are great for having your opponent under-estimate you. Quick to front load due to small size, and that lower middle barrel (first barrel in the smart AR cycle) can launch darts far better than most other elite blasters stock. They really are exceptional to have, and as long as you use cover, you'll be tactically as effective if you know what you're doing as someone with a lipo powered brushless arduino controlled stryfe which launches darts at glass ceiling velocities.
Skill is a much greater force multiplier than gear.
Now, take someone who knows what they're doing with a triad and hand them the Uber tricked out controllable dart hose and you will have a one man army. Why? If he knows what he's doing with a triad, his gear is simply a multiplier to his skill and not a crutch to cover up weaknesses in tactical and teamwork ability.

 
I think you are missing the point of why I posted this, I'm not here to argue that, I'm here to ask if it would be even possible to use these. You see I don't care about wether or not a triad can beat a person with a super stryfe based on skill, all I needed to know was if it was even possible to use these NO MATTER HOW PEOPLE FEEL ABOUT THEM. My neighbor has cancer that will kill him, we don't have the time or money to get anything except cheap stuff, so that's why I just need to know if they work or 100% no matter what I do they can't work
 

What? What? I thought I just told you - I saw a guy wreck with just a triad against noobs with good gear. I saw another guy with just a hammershot hold off me and my whole team. I've got good gear, and I'm not a noob.
 
The one caveat I'll grant you is that we're playing in heavy cover indoors. The guy who held me off? Hiding behind a 3/4 lite door - we couldn't charge him because his door was covering a kill-zone lobby that would've gotten us mowed down by other people in other cover. My buddy with a triad? In a stairwell plinking at people as they ran by. Still, provide good cover and you'll find that good loaner gear (that can break, is expensive, can fail, etc.) is not necessary.
 

 
What's "not enough"? I'm considering running a double-stack 18 for my next run. That's it. 36 rounds in two stacks. The blasters should have the mags they came with, right?
 

 
Those are the cheapest reliable mags I'll (or anyone I've seen reply to this same question) recommend.
 


Just split the teams! Make it so the heavily geared people are evenly split, no money required, you've solved the issue.

Ok ok, you don't have to get angered I just don't really have that money, it's not me who is paying for all this, I'm a teenager, I don't make that much money. My parents, neighbor, a few people who are donating, and a few aunts and uncles are paying for this, so the less money we have to ask for the better. You point is valid, I'm not arguing here I'm just saying that doesn't matter in the situation we are in, to my knowledge, everyone is on a similar level of experience. So I'm saying I think the gear matters because everyone isn't really a "pro" like you or me because most of them haven't even used nerf guns before, the people who have haven't done it much because they have wars with me and we don't do that often. I mean there are exceptions, but for the most part I would say I am going to have the most gear and experience since I have had many wars, at least 6-7 more than anyone else in the group that comes. I will take your advice on splitting the teams though.

This is going to be such a fun event, plenty of jammed mags for everyone.
 
Edit: If you are going to just ignore what everyone says and insist the cheapo knock off mags are great why did you make a thread asking about cheapo knockoff mags? Just buy them, either they will work or they won't.

Well thanks for the unending support toad, have a great next war too and if you want to how one try running into the same problems I have and get back to me. I'm not fully insisting them, no on except the person who made the first quote on my post understands why I'm here, I'm here to buy a very cheap mags, preferablely the cheapest which is why I linked this one. I'm not here to argue what is better or what is worst, and we deal with mag jams, so what, it will make it more usable and we will be able to use them again and again if we get mags.

Here are the clips you are looking for. The flip-kits come with (2) 12's and apparently resale @ ~$14. If you find them on sale locally, they'll be less.
 

Why does the VIP team need full loadouts? Why don't you be the VIP escort? You've already got the gear, you've said you're not made of money and doing full loadouts isn't cheap, and there's a distinct possibility you won't have so many people that you need a large team escorting your VIP. Play more of a scavenger-type game and run jungle mags.
 

If everyone has only a few clips, then everyone will need to reload and you'll be fine. Even barring that, I'm telling you, a guy with a triad was just as deadly during at least one round in my last war as I was with a rapid madness and hundreds of rounds. Equipment does not matter; the player (and terrain, and moderation of the game) does.

1.)Well meaker yeah I agree with shandsgator, don't go that far, the skill of the player does in fact matter, but it's better if you know your equipment, I can tell you right now I could win 1 one 1 as an inexperienced player with perfect gear for my play style versus someone with less gear but much better. You just got to know how to move and think quickly, and more gear with good tactics equals win win. For example, I'm not an incredibly good player, and I am not as good as some of the people on here, but I can tell you I can take on and beat others as long as my gear is good enough, and even if not, I spend time studying different types of people, I can learn how to be like someone then I can tell how to beat them, and this can all be done as a noob as long as you get the right gear. The player makes the game function and makes the moves, but the equipment makes the player. 

 

A pro with a triad can not win against someone with a noob who knows their gear even if they are new. Gear>player skill as long as you know your pros and cons to your loadout. In real steel and in nerf, a new loser can win against pro with a pistol as long as they know how not to get too close.

 

2.)the VIP team consists of people who have the blasters they need to do well, that are mag fed, but not enough mags.

 

3.)Thank you, but I'm looking for something cheaper, I said we need a lot, not high quality, even with the crap mages I can get about 5-6 for the same price.

 

 

I wouldn't go THAT far, but your point is well noted. I've noticed how teamwork, physical conditioning and strategy can easily trump equipment. But on the flipside, If you have the right set up, you can absolute demolish your opposition that isn't well equipped, even if they are in better physical condition and are an overall "better" player.

Yes, that's half and half what I'm saying, what meaker is saying most certainly matters, but there are many cases where in the end you can't beat someone who has better gear even if you can move fast. It takes an exceptionally good player to make the situations where ungeared players can beat overgeared players, and those situations are not present in this war so gear and mags matter.

Thanks for the advice. I'm looking into transitioning to using a Stryfe, but I will probably remove the skirt to see if that fixes the problem. I question whether it will, because I understand that skirt helps center the dart before going through the flywheels and I imagine the spinning out is due to some darts existing the flywheels off center (just a theory).

 

Also, I never have jamming issues (although I'm just running 6 NiMH cells).

I didn't know that the skirt did that, since it didn't do anything wrong to my freind's Demolisher when I took off the skirt because would not stop jamming.

Anyone use 3rd generation Koosh darts in a Rapidstrike? I noticed every 6 or so shot out of the my Rapidstrike tend to twirl, spin out, or helicopter.

 

Anyone else observe this and if so, do you know what the cause is and how to fix it? I wonder if removing the skirt might help?

There is a way to remove the skirt, and although it may not help, I would still do this anyway since removing the skirt lowers the chance jamming by a lot. What you need to do is open up the jam door without a clip in(make sure there is no way the flywheels can activate) and stick you finger in the part where the darts enter into the flywheels. Then bend your finger down and around and then yank it out. If it does not work try getting at it in a different way or use really long needle nose pliers

Interesting. I ordered a paintball pod holder, if that doesn't work I might try those  next.

Well, i mean if you want more holders, use these, that chest rig i linked the other day is actually only $30 or so if you know where to look, and you can get an even cheaper rig if it's just a vest and not a full on rig.

https://www.amazon.c...uct_top?ie=UTF8

These are the holders you want that i know would work for 6 rival mags.

I am looking for a good way to carry 12 round rival magazine on a battle belt or plate carrier. I don't want to spend $15 on a 3d printed holder for 1-2 mags. I was using these:
 
https://www.amazon.c...ht holder&psc=1
 
Which are fine for carrying a few magazines, but I want to carry about a dozen and 12 flashlight holders would use my entire battle belt. What I'm hoping exists is something that will hold 5-6 magazine arranged vertically and only use up 2-3 molle loops. I own a variety of dump pouches/holsters/admin pouches etc and none of them are quite right (they're mostly not tall enough).
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What do you guys use to carry rival magazines? I'm open to pretty much any suggestions that will let me carry 10-12 magazines and cost less than $40 total. That can be one big pouch, two small ones, a thigh rig, whatever. I just need it to not take up a ton of real estate since I need to carry other gear as well.

https://www.wish.com...country_code=US

This is exactly what you need, fits your price range, and may be used, HOWEVER. I don't know if it works, all I'm suggesting is you check into these "fast mag" pistol carriers. I know the actual stick mag holsters can get really cheap, and depending on the dimensions of a regular rival magazine as compared to a regular nerf mag, you could potentially just use those. It's up to you, check into the dimensions of the pistol carriers, or go grab a 18 or 12 rounder and see if you could fit rival magazines in that profile.

I would be REALLY eager to know if it works, toadbrew, report back here if it works. Because if so, I think I single handily have found the best option for mag carriers, the 18 stack holders are cheap and good, and if this turns out, then we will have a rival option.

Edit:btw, these are molle compatible, and if anyone knows I WILL HIGHLIGHT THIS HERE BECAUSE I NEED AN IMPORTANT ANSWER. Do anyone know if these holders would work, it says it fits anything from a glock 45 ACP to a 1911

Edit 2:Did some even more research, toad you are lucky, rival 12 mags fit into the dimensions of a 12 mag when put sideways, so remember that discussion the other day about my stuff? Yeah, find cloth 5.56 or 7.62 mag holders, and find a molle vest(if you need I can link you one) and use all of that, I also have a link for a perfect holster that's $15, has storage for 6 of your rival magazines, and is MOLLE compatible on front and back side

Honestly, I am quickly growing to love these fast mag things, they are cheap, useful, can be inverted, and use MOLLE webbing, what more do you need. Now final thing is be warned, I just checked, the width of a rival magazine is too thick to fit into the profile of a regular mag, however that doesn't exactly translate into it not working. You just need to try it out.

I have condor mag pouches, they are good for dart mags but if you try to put rival mags in them they fall out when you run. Which, unfortunately, is also the case for the paintball pod holding belt. The elastic bands that retain the pods just aren't set up right to hold rival mags since they're longer but thinner. It will be good for when I get a nemesis and have a use for paintball pods though.
 
I have a pouch that holds 8 rival magazines but not securely once you remove a few, I think I am stuck with that plus using the clips to attach a couple to the rails on my zeus. I might just sew something myself, or make a duct-tape/cardboard thing.

Well dangit. Yeah, I would do that, however. If you are willing to spend the money, I personally would just ask you try out the fast mag things, and quite frankly, if that works you could have dump pouches, AND then these fast mag things holding extra rounds you can just pull out and shoot the balls into the nemesis with the release all button.

Any AK/7.62/FAL/M14/308 type mag pouches should hold any nerf mag. For instance, one single stack AK pouch holds one nerf mag, and a double stack pouch for AK mags hold 2 nerf mags. 
 
This holds 6 18s and lots of other pockets. lots of HVZers use this. 
http://www.amazon.co...g/dp/B005OIBYQM
 
http://www.ebay.com/...wKKrqVe5hXUfxWg
 
http://www.ebay.com/...LkAAOSwWnFV91vZ

I remember you recommending this, one question though. I did some more research and since you said that ak mag pouches work, would this one work? I know it's not a rig but personally I would rather get something I can keep adding onto than maximum amount of mags:https://www.amazon.c...molle mag pouch
And would this work for the 22rd worker, 20 buzz bee mag, and 18 round nerf?

Edit:hope this isn't too off topic from the main post but the main post has to do with mags of similar size so this may be a viable option on a molle rig. To my knowledge, you can keep adding mags so theoretically you could have 3 or 4 sets of the thing I listed on a rig and that would be about double the capacity of what you listed, albeit much more expensive but also more versatile and longer lasting, especially good if you are running a rapid strike/hyperfire

I think at the point you're trying to cobble together a goldberg-esque confabulation of molle mag pouches, duct tape, and 2x4's you should just get a nice messenger bag and call it a day.

What's the fun in having a messenger bag when as I said you could theoretically have mags going as far out as you can reach, yeah you would be weighed down but you would never run out of ammo. I would bet a long as you are athletic enough you could last the longest in any hvz if you have enough mags. In fact, I have thought of making a rifle that has two sets of workable flywheels in it as to allow you to fire out of the back magazine well to always have ammo to fire. And that coupled with a setup like this would allow you to last forever in anything not power based

If you stack too many molle pouches on top of one another, they get very awkward very fast, and also since they're soft-sided they start to squish up and make it hard to pull stuff out of the back pouches. I'd really only want to two tiers (Ie pouch on a pouch on a vest/belt) for reliability purposes. But yes, those should hold nerf mags.

I mean I was assuming you would do something about that by making some form of stretching and support system out of wood, or rope, or springs. Something like that, i don't know I am just saying that chances are it would be possible to figure out how to fix that issue.

 Still hoping for a miracle or design improvement on Artifact's end,  this is the closest the community has ever come to a legit source of darts

Can't agree with you more that a lot of potentially amazing darts have gotten so close to being created then just dropped. Artifact himself came on here and posted about new darts that would of if the design worked and the darts were cheap they would be the best and most bought of darts on the market. But then he kinda just went silent and the prototype new ACCS turned out to be not as rubbery as ACCS and sadly about as pricy as the original. I am wondering if you could try to find a way to weigh them down more by using some magical fairy dust or something non metal to fix the not flying straight at high speeds.

I have tried them already, and I used them with a slightly modded Demolisher and they seem to hate flywheels and don't really feed them, but are very accurate in blasters like the Firestrike and non-flywheel clip fed blasters.
Edit:Seems like racer was right, they do work in flywheels. I tried the darts in my Stryfe and they worked, but not in the Demoliser though.

 

Do yo u have the link for the chunlin darts? They've been taken off of amazon.

http://www.amazon.co...rts bullet head

This should work, sorry for not shorting the link to one word but I couldn't find how to do it with the new interface. So if someone knows how to make a long url show up as a single word please tell me.

No matter what, a full rewire (or even full internal upgrade including microswitches and a lipo connector) will be complimentary or even required.

Ok, but the only problem is that I don't know where to get the wire for rewiring my Demolisher. I also have not attempted anything like that so if you can tell me where I can find a tutorial on how to rewire and remove locks like the thermoresister that would be great since I don't want to end up blowing my self up when I severe the wrong wire.

Good demolisher rewire tutorial: https://www.youtube....h?v=fsj_G2gGxoc
 
Never rewire while a battery is attached. Follow that rule, and cuttin g a wire will never result in things blowing up.
 
After a rewire, always test with normal AA batteries first. If they heat up or act weird, you have a short (which would be bad with the various lithium batteries). If everything seems good, then put in your NiMH'lithium/whatever batteries.
 
"protected" trustfires

Wait so should I not be using the trustfires, or was that just a result of overcharging which is something I am in fact aware of.

IMRs are good. If used with stock motors use no more than two. Use "dummy batteries" like these, not more AA batteries to fill the other spots.
 
NIMH  rechargeables like Eneloops are also good. With stock motors you can use four.
 
 
Trustfires and Ultrafires are horrible and may explode on you and/or burn your house down.

Well why do you think I got the protected ones? Along with that, could you link a charger for the IMR's if there is any?

Is this a normal unmodded demolisher, or doesn't have just basic mods (lock removal, etc)?
Mixing batteryou brands and types is never good, mixing trustfire and generic AA could have damaged your motors.
So the question is, does it still rev if you use just generic AA batteries?

Yeah, I know it is not good to mix batteries, I already had a topic about that. Also, Yes, it does still work just fine.

So some of you may or may not of seen the topic that I posted about my Demolisher not reving as a result of putting trustfires in with regular double A's, and in the end I am forced to buy new batteries. I am wondering, for anyone who uses double A replacement batteries, what would you recommend:Trustfire or ultrafire or IMR? Along with that, does it matter if they are protected? And finally, what charger would you recommend for your favored battery?

Cool, I have these too and was considering cutting them down and doing the same you did but just didn't. Also, I disagree that these hurt more than slugs, but I am not stating that it isn't possible that they can hurt more. Finally, although it doesn't matter too much, most people including me refer to them as either ACC darts, accurates, or Chunlin darts(after the seller on amazon were originally found) and while I don't mean annoying about it but it may help some to know what exactly these are called or at least have a name for these.

http://www.amazon.co...rts bullet head(where I bought mine)

This looks pretty appealing beyond the black foam color.

I know where to find things like with with different colors, only problem is that they are plastic tipped but if you are fine with that here they are. http://www.ebay.com/...a0AAOSw3ydV3LHt

Oh, ok. So are those better than the china darts? I would think they would be lighter but I haven't weighed them so I'm not sure. I may order some if someone's tested them in the same way as these to make sure they fire from hoppers from homemades as straight as regular Stefans.

Yeah, in a way they are, Walcoms7 did a video on them and I believe they have equal if not more weight(since they head has more volume) They lowest price I have found them for is around the same of the lowest you can find Fvj's for, so these may be a alternative.(Walcoms7's review is on YouTube, look under videos and it should be near the top, although the ones he reviewed were the ones on Amazon. They still are the same dart though)

Edit:Sorry, I didn't read what you said about them firing straight out of a gun until now. Walcom did fire them out of a Longstrike with a Berzerker tank in his review and I believe they fired well.

Those are FVJs, a different kind of dart. They are good as well but not really as good for shooting from heavily modded blasters or homemades.

Yeah, I know they are like Fvjs. I was pointing out if you want a aerodynamic dart and need to fire it out of high powered thing then those are the darts to go with, along with them being more brightly colored.

I have seen both of these on Amazon, and they appear to have solid rubber heads. Not as squishy as these black ones, but still better than FVJs.
http://www.amazon.co...019PIYYRW?psc=1
http://www.amazon.co...VNZRTYW8DEGY2H4

In no way do I mean to be a jerk or rude to you, but I would recommend to get those off of eBay by searching nerf darts bullet head and scrolling down. The price of them gets down to about $4 for 100 and that is about three times less than the ones on Amazon.http://www.ebay.com/...a0AAOSw3ydV3LHt