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#1 Forsaken angel24

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Posted 23 January 2007 - 09:15 PM

Well this has been two months in the works now. It has been put aside a few times untill I had a few different "Eureka!" moments and finally pumped out the finished product.

Lets first talk about the unique Breech system I came up with specifically for the Longshot.

Open up your gun and take the Bolt tooth, Bolt lock, clip lock, trigger lock and put them aside you wont need them.
Here is a pic to see exactly what I am talking about. Labeled longshot internals courtesy of CS.

Take out your plunger assembly.

Drill out air restrictors.

Cut the Bolt around here.
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Judge where to cut by measuring from that little air hole. The rest of the bolt with dart chamber can be put aside as we need a peice from it later.

You can see there are 4 sizes of brass in that photo. 1/2", 17/32" 9/16" and 19/32"

Take a peice of 9/16" and put it into the hole make sure it is long enough to go through the other side and sit flush with the very top of the thing that pushes the plunger back. In other words: so that brass would be touching the plunger head too. Now bust out the hot glue gun and fill the gap between the brass and the plastic. I also added a ring of rubber foam from a toilet gasket as found in the pump action shotgun mod level 2. There are pics of this later.
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Now take your peice of 17/32" and cut it to the exact same size of the 9/16". Now take that brass peice and put it inside the 9/16" Now take your peice of 1/2" (The long one) and put it inside the 17/32". Now slide the peice of 19/32 ontop of the 9/16" and you should get this as the almost finished product for this side of the breech.
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Now lets take a break from this side and head over to the other side fo the breech.
Take a 12" peice of 9/16" brass and cut away over half the pipe for a 2.5-3"" length at one end. Then add some tightening rings slightly ahead of where the cut half pipe begins. Now wrap some E-tape arounnd the brass barrel and slide it into the longshots chamber and barrel so it is snug. It should look like this.
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Now You can start to see how this breech works. When the bolt is pushed back the breech opens and the clip pushes the dart into the half pipe of 9/16" When the bolt is closed the half pipe slides between the 1/2"brass and the 19/32". At the same time the 1/2" brass is pushing the dart into the tightening rings. At the same time the 19/32" is closing the breech creating a 100% air tight seal!

Now dont glue anything except the peice of 9/16" into place. I had to fiddle around with brass sizes and such for a while before I got this perfect. Right now my breech can open enough to chamber a 2.2" stefan.
Fiddle around with the brass and once you know that its going to work you are now going to grab what is remaining of that bolt that you chopped off earlier. You are going to want to cut off the orange nub that attaches into the blue bolt sled. Cut it off but when you cut it leave some extra plastic underneath it because you need this to be the perfect size. Keep that nub in the bolt sled and line it up with the top of your 19/32" brass.
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Make sure that the nub is sanded down to the appropiate length so the bolt sled can slide back and forth comfortably. Take a pen and mark where the nub is going to be sitting. Then put your plunger tube and breech system back into the gun without the spring and make sure that the gun can still be cocked all the way back so the catch actually catches. If the catch does not engage you need to fiddle around with brass sizes again. If you only need a small bit more length try adding the rubber gasket ring if you havent already.

Now take your breech assembly out and load a stefan into the half pipe and then close the breech. If your dart is pushed way too far forward of the rings then your peice of 1/2" brass is too long. If the dart isnt pushed majority of the way into the tightening rings then your 1/2" brass is too short.

One last final thing to make sure this breech is correct. close the breech and make sure your plunger with spring is loaded into it and back peice is screwed on. Blow into the end of the barrel where the dart would come out. If you hear air leaking it is not 100% airtight now is it. If you here air leaking near the breech then your 19/32" is not long enough. If you here air leaking near the plunger then that is not an issue because we will deal with that later.

Now it is time to glue on the orange nub to the 19/32" brass. For this I used Fishin' Glue. The strongest shit you will ever get your hands on. I found it at Bass pro shops. I am sure most hunting stores should have it. You can also use Zap A Gap as I hear they are made of the same chemicals and have a similar strength. I said it before and I will say it again. This stuff puts Plumbers goop and Epoxy to shame.

Press tightly against the bolt sled to put pressure on the nub which will put pressure on the brass allowing the glue to cure stronger.

Allow 10-15 minutes to be safe. After it cured I ran the glue around the edges of the nub a couple times for good measure.

Now test it out. Your Breech assembly should be perfect. If it is not then tweak it a bit here and there. But be certain when making your little touch up cuts as cutting one peice might resolve the problem but may also start one somewhere else. Oh and to make sure things stay in place I used the fishin glue as well. This stuff has the consistency of water. Make sure things are where you want them to be before you use this stuff.

Here is a pic of the breech open and closed.
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The best part about this breech is it doesnt Jam or shave the tails of of darts! Anyone who has done a tight fitting breech knows what I am talking about.

This breech was pretty tough to get out of my head and is the most complicated breech on the NIC,(I think) so I thought I should name it. I name this breech. Angel Breech

Now their should be a small amount of brass sticking out of the front. I wanted to keep my barrel safe from dents etc,
Shave down the inner circle currently inside the end fo your longshots barrel. This will make room for the 1/2" pvc.
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Cut a small peice of 1/2" pvc warp some E-tape around the base and add it to the front.
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Now take out your plunger and:
Add an Industrial strength spring.
Take off the O ring then wrap some thin E-tape where the o-ring would go and then either replace the o-ring and/or add and another one. I just added another one.
Lube the )rings with some O-ring lubricant found in a little blue container in your plumbing section at the local hardware store.
Dont forget to add a small ring of foam rubber at the bottom this will lengthen the life of your Longshot.

When it comes down to the clip I used the same methods The inventer Guy did with his clips but I used little hollow brass square tubes. Their size is 1/8"

When it comes to other additions to the gun I also did Dart attacks Front gun mod. The gun looks fucking menacing with it there. Good on ya Dart Attack for coming up with it! All I did was restrictor removal because I can see this add on gun breaking easy with more mods.
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There it is allowing the epoxy to dry.

I however did it a little differently. I was getting upset because I couldnt get the coat hanger thing to work so I while I was at the Bass pro shops I also picked up some thin metal fishing line. I rigged it so the line would go under the clip receiver plate and hooked it to the original trigger. I had to drill through some plastic walls to acheive this but I am very please on how it turned out.
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The trigger pull is slightly harder but that was to be expected because now I am going to be compressing an extra spring on each trigger pull.

I was upset about this next part. I was hoping I would be able to keep the collapsable stock but after it started collapsing in my hand while cocking I was rather pissed and in pain. Another member on the NIC did this and so did I. I added peices of PVC behind the stock so it would always stay in the cocked position.
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I painted the shell black. I went nuts, 10-12 coats.
Then I put on the handles. But to protect my paint I put some felt craft sheet circles between the handle and the shell. I lightly made the felt kiss the flame just to get rid of any unwanted fuzz.

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Without further adue, here is my menacing looking Longshot.

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Ranges are typical.
99'
100'
102'
100'
101'
102'

I did this range test at night and it was freezing outside. On a normal sunny spring/summer/fall day I am sure the ranges would be at least 10-12 feet farther. I tried putting in a stronger spring but the gun was awkward to cock and the glue broke after four shots. This is something I will be working on improving after doing Captain slugs shotgun grip mod and some other modifications to create a stronger grip (<---what a pun!) on my next Longshot mod. If you thought this write up was confusing then I will bet you are not alone. Hopefully this video will make some sense for you.
Longshot Demo Video

The main thing I like about this mod instead of the typical Ar removal/BBB spring addition mod is this thing is much more accurate now.

Comments? Suggestions? Questions?

A lot of work went into this gun/write up/video. I would love to know what you guys think.
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#2 deathwolf

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Posted 23 January 2007 - 09:26 PM

Nice work, man. That brass breech looks like it gets a great seal. And, as always, good mask/video.
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Posted 23 January 2007 - 09:28 PM

Wow. Badass is all I have to say. Great job.
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Posted 23 January 2007 - 09:42 PM

Pure awesome. You know recieve 1 hundred million Lancaster grade-a certifiable non-refundable Props.

And excellent video, I look forward to the next time madness strikes.
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Posted 23 January 2007 - 09:48 PM

You have no idea how long I've been waiting for this.
And as allways it's a great clean well written write-up.
I'm sorry if it's listed and I just missed it but how did you cut the brass without bending or breaking it?
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Posted 23 January 2007 - 10:50 PM

Very nice sir. While, on any normal day I would know, I cannot think for the life of me what that song is...
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Posted 23 January 2007 - 11:21 PM

I'm a little confused as to how the magazine manages to load into the gun with that breech in place. Perhaps you could take a picture with the jam door removed and the magazine inserted?
Edit: Ah, well the video elaborates on that I guess.

Edited by CaptainSlug, 23 January 2007 - 11:26 PM.

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Posted 24 January 2007 - 12:20 AM

Ahhh yes. Finally here. The long awaited Angel Longshot writeup. Just awsome. And that breech... Genius. Amazing mod.

Did you add one of those handyman springs? The ones that people use for replacement NF springs? Because that's what I've got in mine. And if I can get ranges in the 100's with it... Wow. This is definitely another must-do mod for me. Though it's gonna be a difficult one.

I'm liking the video too. Pretty neat. Got some crazy camera angles in there. Had a nice ending to it too. Haha.

This breech was pretty tough to get out of my head and is the most complicated breech on the NIC,(I think) so I thought I should name it. I name this breech. Angel Breech


Nice.

Edit: Hahaha. I just turned my sound up more, I love how the monkey screams when you shoot it.

Edited by Retiate, 24 January 2007 - 12:28 AM.

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Posted 24 January 2007 - 08:41 AM

Wow thats sick! Great paint job and video too!

Keep up the good work!
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Posted 24 January 2007 - 01:19 PM

That thing is pretty freakin' badass. Nice clean mod there.
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Posted 24 January 2007 - 02:13 PM

Yea that air tight breech must make the ranges much better.

Great Mod!
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Posted 24 January 2007 - 09:22 PM

Awesome work as usual Angel!

You should thank yourself for not attempting to do extensive modification to the front gun. I spent the greater part of a week modifying mine. First I added a crossfire spring to it, but then the catch stopped working, and a few other problems came up, and I ended up having to rebuild the interior of the front gun using pieces from assorted air restrictors. After I finally got it working, I brassed it and now it gets lower end NF ranges, but it was a major pain in the ass. The front gun just won't take a stronger spring without extensive changes.
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Posted 25 January 2007 - 01:56 AM

Here are some additional pics for the hell of it.

This is the glue I was talking about.
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Here is a pic of the sliding door open and breech open.
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Here is a pic of the first part of the breech system before the orange nub was glued onto the 19/32" brass. The second pic under the red line is of the plunger base with foam rubber ring.
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A pic of the additional catch springs I added.
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This last pic is of all the ideas I had in my head that ran through my arm and onto the paper. It was too much to do it all in my head. There was a sea of ideas crashing around in my skull and I had to drain them out one at a time. Writing stuff down really helps when dealing with complicated ideas.
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Questions time!

Black blade: No I did not list it. I cut all my brass with pipe cutters and I used a dremel to cut the half pipe.

Rambo: The song belongs to my favorite metal band. The song is titled Black hearts now reign and the band is Unearth. That album has to be the best metal album I have ever heard.

Captain slug: Yeah the video does shed some light but not alot. The clips pops over the 19/32 brass. 19/32" is a bit thinner than the stock bolt it would pop over. The clip cannot be loaded when the breech is open.

Retiate: No I did not add a handyman spring. I bought a box of industrial springs that I can use towards nerf guns from a very old spring place that had plenty of old overstocks. Yeah the monkey screams when you shoot it. I got it for free and I thought it would be interesting to shoot at. Two days later he is being seen by hundreds on the internet.

Thanks to everyone else for commenting. I really appreciate the support. It is what keeps these write ups coming.

I found a very interesting discovery today!
The breech is more special then I had originally thought.
You can shotgun load the longshots barrel!
You can load 1-6 stefans into the longshots barrel by simply moving the cocking lever back and forth.
6 stefans = very bad range with decent spread.
5 stefans = same thing
4 stefans= bad range with decent spread
3 stefans = Probaby the best shotgunning you can with the longshot.
2 stefans= Good range little spread. This one probably shoots 15 feet shorter than 1 stefan being fired.

I didnt range test these because it is very cold outside.

This adds a whole new world of choices you can make when preparing to attack with this menacing longshot in a war or assassin game.

Long range shooter/mid-range cluster shot/close-range shotgun/choice to engage back up shot with any of these options or save it for last. I love this thing!


EDIT: I forgot to mention in the write up a small but important step. To center your 9/16" brass with 2" half pipe on the end just wrap electrical tape around it untill it fits nice and snug in the barrel and the dart chamber.


Edit Edit: I was able to make a small video to better describe some of the parts.
Longshot video description.

Edited by Forsaken_angel24, 15 May 2007 - 01:39 AM.

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Posted 25 January 2007 - 02:05 AM

Assault Rifle to Shotgun based solely on how many times you load it?

That settles it, my Longshot needs this mod.

Kind of a confusing write-up, but the results make it worth reading closely. And the video was and excellent demo on how everything works.
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Posted 25 January 2007 - 10:02 PM

Hey why did you integrate the front pistol into it.
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Posted 26 January 2007 - 03:02 PM

Pretty snazzy mod. Will it be difficult to fit a shotgun foregrip to it with the front gun integrated?

P.S. Nice choice on the Unearth. You like August Burns Red?
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Posted 26 January 2007 - 05:04 PM

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Posted 26 January 2007 - 05:56 PM

I just now realized something. I don't know if anyone thought of this before or not, but with this new Angel Breech, what are the disadvantages to clipping a pump action gun? You lose no range at all since it has a 100% airtight seal. You just need the time and experience to do it.
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Posted 26 January 2007 - 06:08 PM

This Longshot makes everything I have look like garbage. That's why I must have one. Two questions: How would you rate this on a scale of 1-10 for difficulty for a decent modder? How long did it take you to assemble and install the breech system?
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Posted 27 January 2007 - 04:31 PM

Hey why did you integrate the front pistol into it.

I really like the way it looks and feels. Besides who doesnt like having a back up shot in their gun? Sure that shot can be outranged by a stock sspb but would it look as good and feel as comfortable holding a LS with an integrated sspb in the bipods place? The answer is no. I am still kinda let down by the range of the back up shot so I may be opening her up again to see what I can do to help improve that. If something Unique comes up there will be a part two to this write up.

Will it be difficult to fit a shotgun foregrip to it with the front gun integrated?
P.S. Nice choice on the Unearth. You like August Burns Red?

It does sound difficult but I think it will be kind of awkard to function we will see how it goes.
Thank you, I have never heard of them but will download a sample song later.

with this new Angel Breech, what are the disadvantages to clipping a pump action gun? You lose no range at all since it has a 100% airtight seal.

The only disadvantage is the fact that the darts are loaded a bit farther away from the plunger tube which decreases pressure which decreases range. This breech can however be slightly modified to work on a pump action shotgun. That should be interesting if I ever get around to it.

Two questions: How would you rate this on a scale of 1-10 for difficulty for a decent modder? How long did it take you to assemble and install the breech system?

On a scale of 1-10 for a decent modder? I would probably put this at an 8 or 9. Only because everything has to be perfect if you are going to be using 2" stefans. If you are going to be using 1" or 1.5" stefans it is going to be much easier to do because the breech wont have to open as wide. Once you understand the Breech it becomes pretty easy. There was alot that went into this mod and this modification might seem pretty overbearing but just take it all one step at a time. For example. First set a goal to do AR removal. Then set the goal to attach the front gun, Then set the goal to wire the trigger to the original trigger and etc.

It took me a couple days to assemble and install the breech system only because I was working with a diamond in the rough. I could probably assemble a breech system like this in less than an hour because now I know exactly how it works.
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Posted 27 January 2007 - 05:45 PM

I am still kinda let down by the range of the back up shot so I may be opening her up again to see what I can do to help improve that. If something Unique comes up there will be a part two to this write up.

Why not integrate an At2k or At3k into the front gun and just use the front gun's pump as a means of pulling the airtanks pin? Sure you'd have to find a place for the pump but it's possible.
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Posted 27 January 2007 - 08:15 PM

Why not integrate an At2k or At3k into the front gun and just use the front gun's pump as a means of pulling the airtanks pin? Sure you'd have to find a place for the pump but it's possible.


Sounds like something Falcon would do, being the turret junkie that he is... However, the range and power of not only one, but multiple quickly-reloading back-up shots is something that would make this worthwhile.
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Posted 28 January 2007 - 02:31 AM

I will agree with Paloose about integrateing a At2k in the front gun, but the pump would stick out (not literally)
because the gun has been painted. Then again Angel can probably work around that.
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Posted 28 January 2007 - 08:38 AM

Sounds like something Falcon would do, being the turret junkie that he is... However, the range and power of not only one, but multiple quickly-reloading back-up shots is something that would make this worthwhile.

I wasn't even talking about a turret as it may mess up the gun's clean look. When I made the post I was thinking a singled 2k.
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