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[eversor-revertimortuus]

So in many wars, the Manta Ray is the only shield allowed. But I haven't seen any information on how the Shield included with the Stampede is regulated in wars. Does hitting the shield count as a hit or is it considered another allowed shield?

[MrPzowned]

Since it is on the gun and gun its usually count, yes it does count. There has been a little controversy on some other forums but the general rule has been that it does count.

[Kid Flash]

Since it is on the gun and gun its usually count, yes it does count.

That means the manta would count as a gun hit too, which I thought it didn't.

[iDrag0m1r]

The Manta is allowed because is is hard as hell to use, and no one has one.

Edited by iDrag0m1r, 18 December 2010 - 08:33 PM.

[Echnalaid]

The Manta is allowed because is is hard as hell to use, and no one has one.

I have one.
But it's still hard as balls to block anything. The closest I've ever gotten is that a dart grazed the edge of the shield as I was trying to move it to block, and it still hit me.

[Phree Agent]

There is no reason to decide as a whole community whether or not to count these hits or not. Just as in all shield related rules, it is up to the war organizer(s) to decide what is allowed or not allowed to be used as a shield.

Edited by Phree Agent, 18 December 2010 - 09:05 PM.

[Exo]

There is no reason to decide as a whole community whether or not to count these hits or not. Just as in all shield related rules, it is up to the war organizer(s) to decide what is allowed or not allowed to be used as a shield.

Nicely said. I agree.

However, you might want to consider the fact that the shield is really freaking small, and any protection you might get from it would be negated by the fact that you would be leaving other large portions of your body exposed, and of course, any gun you attatch it to would have more mass than a regular manta or a Stonewall shield, and you would have to flail the gun around to catch darts, and you just might knock yourself out.

If you feel the need to use a tacticool attatchment as an advantage peice, I would go with a Recon light (stock or modded) at night, or use one of the variety of scopes, which actually offer a good bit of precision when used correctly.

[HappyBurnination]

I'm pretty sure there was a thread about this not too long ago.

If you're going to a war, count on not being able to use it as a shield. If you can convince the people you're playing with to have it not count as a hit, well, all the more power to ya.

[Talio]

Any wars I will be hosting the Manta Ray will still be the only shield aloud. I don't see anything positive being added to the game by allowing more shields. But it's up to whoever is hosting because he makes the rules.

[VACC]

Yeah, this is yet another annoying example of "what do other people think?"

Nerf wars are not sanctioned by any regulatory body, official or otherwise. You shoot nerf guns at your friends,and you make up the rules to increase your enjoyment. Whatever you find most fun, you continue doing.

If you really can't figure it out, you'll have to wait till the warm weather nerf season kicks back up for some potentially useless consensus opinions. My early prediction is that for my war(s), I will limit the use of the shields to the stampede itself, disallowing it to be attached to other blasters. The stampede's suckiness will take care of the rest.

[Forsaken angel24]

For the wars I host. I can safely say no, it does not count as a shield. The Manta is the only exception. The reason why I am saying no. Is it will eliminate any confusion on the battlefield as to whether the Stefan hit the gun or the shield part of the blaster.

[Talio]

Fuck man, that's the best reason right there hands down. Very good point, sir.

[eversor-revertimortuus]

Thank you all for your input. It's nice to have some sound reasoning as to why to disallow it like I want to.

[Draconis]

Thank you all for your input. It's nice to have some sound reasoning as to why to disallow it like I want to.

If it's one thing we can count on the Canadians for, it's to attack us with trained geese when we least expect it. If it's two things we can count on the Canadians for, it's to attack us with trained geese when we least expect it, and sound reasoning about which blasters to ban.

[ieatfood]

There is no reason to decide as a whole community whether or not to count these hits or not. Just as in all shield related rules, it is up to the war organizer(s) to decide what is allowed or not allowed to be used as a shield.

Nicely said. I agree.

However, you might want to consider the fact that the shield is really freaking small, and any protection you might get from it would be negated by the fact that you would be leaving other large portions of your body exposed, and of course, any gun you attatch it to would have more mass than a regular manta or a Stonewall shield, and you would have to flail the gun around to catch darts, and you just might knock yourself out.

If you feel the need to use a tacticool attatchment as an advantage peice, I would go with a Recon light (stock or modded) at night, or use one of the variety of scopes, which actually offer a good bit of precision when used correctly.

Actually, in say an indoor war, (in a house) if someone tried to crouch down with it and used say, a super-clip along with the bi-pod, it wouldn't be that easy to hit them. So I personally say, let the host decide if he wants people to be "virtually unhitable"

[ImportedUniversal]

Bah, You decide whether or not to allow it.

But, generally, if gun hits count, then don't say that the stampede shield Isnt part of the gun.

Here it is: If gun hits don't count, go ahead and use it/allow it.

[badger]

Though it has been stated plenty of times that the organizer of an event is the final say in how to handle various rules, let me put this slice of logic out there.

The Manta Ray counts as a shield and shooting it is not a blaster hit as it is the main purpose of the blaster and the shielding surface is a solid component of the Manta Ray. The shield that comes with the Stampede is an attachment. It is an accessory that comes with the blaster that can be removed. As such, it should fall prey to the same rules as any other N-Strike attachment. If it is hit, it counts as a hit against you. If someone is using the Longshot and the sight is hit or they have the tactical light attached, hits on them count. The same goes for the shield. Now personally I agree with what VACC said and that will always be my personal stance. It came with the Stampede, so it only applies to the Stampede.

[joeri]

I think that because it's a shield, it should be used as a shield, so if you say that it counts as a blaster hit, it serves no purpose. and I honestly don't think anyone would use it, because it's to small.

[VACC]

If this is a problem at your war, than someone is using a stampede. Your war is lame.

[ghost recon]

would an arm mounted gun count as a hit if it hit what was on your arm or would that count as a gun hit

[nicholasy11]

would an arm mounted gun count as a hit if it hit what was on your arm or would that count as a gun hit

If it hits your arm then YOU are hit.

[Vengeancedemon]

would an arm mounted gun count as a hit if it hit what was on your arm or would that count as a gun hit

If it hits your arm then YOU are hit.

But he's asking would he lose his gun too. I say no because in real war you could take it off your other arm and put it on the arm you have.

[dizzyduck]

But he's asking would he lose his gun too. I say no because in real war you could take it off your other arm and put it on the arm you have.

The fuck?

If you get hit, you are out. There's a countdown, then you "clear" back in. Blaster hits count as hits. They don't if they hit a Manta Ray, because it's a shield.

[Vengeancedemon]

Oh sorry i was thinking of the way me and my friends play. You get hit somewhere you lose that limb, head, chest, and neck are kill shots.

[z80]

Yeah, this is yet another annoying example of "what do other people think?"

Nerf wars are not sanctioned by any regulatory body, official or otherwise. You shoot nerf guns at your friends,and you make up the rules to increase your enjoyment. Whatever you find most fun, you continue doing.

If you really can't figure it out, you'll have to wait till the warm weather nerf season kicks back up for some potentially useless consensus opinions. My early prediction is that for my war(s), I will limit the use of the shields to the stampede itself, disallowing it to be attached to other blasters. The stampede's suckiness will take care of the rest.

I agree with vacc, I don't agree with it becoming another useless attachment, but clearly with the increased availiablity, we can't make it as easy to replace the internals/integrate as the manta ray. Also the attachment argument is weak. Using anything about the manta as a precedent is a poor idea. It currently is the ONLY sheild allowed, and for shakey reasons at best. Frankly, if it changes the balance of a war, then you can say something. If no one uses it consistently, and it doesn't become a problem, then I don't see why we should nerf it and make it another non-longshot N-Strike Clip gun (IE largely unused and underpowered.