Talking To The Press.
Posted 25 November 2010 - 12:43 AM
So new rule. If you get caught talking to press about nerf guns you will no longer be welcomed at Nerf Haven. You will be banned permanently. This is not opened for debate. If you wish to be a member at this site do not talk to a reporter. And if the cops come and tell you to leave, you comply. It's just that simple. This is not the kind of attention we need and if we don't stop it here who knows how far it could go.
PS. If any of the Chicago guys want to actually explain what happened, feel free. I've only got the story from one person thus far. Just keep it civil.
Posted 25 November 2010 - 02:32 AM
Speaking only for myself (though I think the other members of the NHQ M&A team will have the same sentiment), but NHQ fully supports this decision and as a forum in the NIC will act as needed to preserve our hobby.
Just this year a few of us got invited to an event by Hasbro. This situation may have hurt our standing with Hasbro from here on out. Let us hope that we are still in their good graces after this clusterfuck.
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Posted 25 November 2010 - 02:39 AM
At the same time it's important to remember that we really haven't got anything to hide. Anyone who looks at that CBS piece with a critical eye will see that a caring mother took time out of her day to express to that reporter how proud she is of a son who's taking part in a really great hobby. As futile an effort as that may have been, I think it's far more telling than any youtube video of some moronic teenager doing something irresponsible in their basement. So if you came to this site looking for more dirt on the evil scourge of Nerf Modification, feel free to take a look around. All you'll find is a tight community of people who are involved in a hobby that's about half as dangerous as high school football, with about ten times the benefit.
Nerfing promotes a certain type of out-of-the-box thinking that you won't find in other sports. Young people who come to NerfHaven often build an appreciation for tinkering, and learning a craft. Many develop an interest in Physics and Engineering, or develop skills that they can go on to use in a profession or trade. Others who were never interested in athletics or the outdoors will find they are pushing themselves harder physically than ever before. All will gain a sense of sportsmanship and fair play, because the teams are never permanent and your opponent one moment may be your ally the next--a practice you will seldom find on high school and college athletic fields
As for safety concerns, eye protection is mandatory at nearly all events. Nerf blasters and ammunition that are considered unsafe are prohibited, and standards for safety are encouraged throughout the community. With respect to some of the footage seen in the CBS piece, we don't tolerate needle darts or other idiotic and unsafe practices here. The sort of kids who would make that junk are more likely to be found cooking meth in their parents basement than planning and hosting a Nerf War on this site, and it is absurd to lump their antics in with our community.
So no, if the temptation strikes you, don't call the press about your Nerf War. And if some 'journalist' sticks a mic in your face and starts asking leading questions, don't hesitate to walk away. But never forget that you are a part of an awesome community that you can take pride in. A community that has nothing to offer the press, but nothing to hide from it either.
Edited by Langley, 25 November 2010 - 03:15 AM.
You can poop in my toilet anytime champ.
Posted 25 November 2010 - 03:16 AM
Posted 25 November 2010 - 10:43 AM
Our public relations policy is based on attraction rather than promotion; we need always maintain personal anonymity at the level of press, radio, and films.
and goes on to say
As [this group of like minded individuals] has no opinion on outside issues; hence the [name of this group of like minded individuals] ought never be drawn into public controversy.
Posted 25 November 2010 - 09:37 PM
Edited by faddle, 25 November 2010 - 09:38 PM.
Posted 26 November 2010 - 04:24 AM
The difference is that paintball didn't have a company looming over them that could shut them down in a heart beat. We do. If Hasbro's legal department keeps getting calls from news organizations about modified nerf blasters how do you think they're going to respond. You all have to understand we are one cease and desist away from being shut down for good. No one here has the money to fight Hasbro. They are a corporation with infinite resources. If they want us gone, we're gone.
The particularly retarded sections are in bold.
Let's pretend for a moment that Hasbro could do something (ie. lawsuit) to a highly unorganized and scattered group of random people who meet from all over the United States (and beyond) via a relatively unpopular internet website to discuss homemades and modifications of various brands of foam blasters (not exclusively Nerf), and let's also pretend for another second that "Hasbro's legal department" actually deems it wise and necessary to pursue such legal action, consuming resources and drawing press attention to the very issue they're trying to cover up - the worst they could possibly do is ask you to change the website's name so it doesn't include "Nerf". Oh wow - we're undone.
There is no "shutting us down", not in our ability to have websites related to our hobby (1st amendment), or in our ability to organize and shoot foam darts at each other (that's the city's issue or personal property ordinances). The "do not modify darts or blaster" disclaimer on the guns and boxes are to keep us from suing them.
This story has no ill effect on our hobby except in spurring such a rediculous paranoia.
This isn't a big deal. At all.
Further, if I have the opportunity to provide an intelligent insight into the fun, creative, and safe aspects of this hobby to somebody in the media - then I sure as fuck don't need Talio's or anyone elses' permission to do so. Perhaps allowing children to represent your hobby is part of the problem?
Anyways, Look at some of 3DBBQ's videos to see how his homemade airguns were covered (quite positively) in the past.
Edited by Fome, 26 November 2010 - 04:29 AM.
Posted 26 November 2010 - 01:02 PM
One letter drafted by a lawyer on the payroll with a per dium and we're done. Even if they have no leg to stand on and the case would be absolutely rediculous there is literally nothing we could do but shut down, hire a lawyer and try to fight it. Don't believe me? Here's a quote from the wikipedia article:
Civil liberties and free speech groups such as the ACLU have criticized cease-and-desist letters, pointing out that the letters may be used by wealthy individuals and organizations to silence opponents who are unable or unwilling to engage in an expensive lawsuit, and thus may feel compelled to comply with a cease-and-desist letter even if it is unjustified.
That's how it works. Happens all the god damn time. So Fome why don't you shut your faggot mouth before you pretend like you know what you're talking about. Fucking kids.
Posted 26 November 2010 - 02:23 PM
If you want to get really technical, we are infringing a copyright at this moment. Cease and desist letters, which I've dealt with composing in the past, pretty much tell whoever is using your name, ideas, or anything else made by you to fuck off.
Here's a general template for a C+D letter;
We are the proprietors of all copyright in a work entitled ____________________________. We have reserved all rights in the Work, which was first expressed in material form on ___________________________.
It has come to our attention that your work entitled _____________________________ is identical/substantially similar to our copyrighted Work. Permission was neither asked nor granted to reproduce our Work and your Work therefore constitutes infringement of our rights. In terms of the Copyright Statutes, we are entitled to an injunction against your continued infringement, as well as to recover damages from you for the loss we have suffered as a result of your infringing conduct.
In the circumstances, we demand that you immediately:
1. remove all infringing content and notify us in writing that you have done so;
2. immediately cease the use and distribution of copyrighted material;
3. undertake in writing to desist from using any of our copyrighted Work in future without prior written authority from us.
We await to hear from you by no later than close of business on __________________________.
This is written without prejudice to our rights, all of which are hereby expressly reserved.
If you don't do what they tell you, legally, they can just get this site shut down. They don't even need to use the fact that we're using Hasbro brand toys, they can simply just say we're using the term "Nerf", which they came up with, in a site name.
This whole situation is pretty unlikely, but I wouldn't put it past a major toy company to do this just so they can stop getting grilled by the press.
... to be able to get a better burst or sustained fire, rather than blowing the whole load at once.
Posted 26 November 2010 - 02:35 PM
Posted 26 November 2010 - 11:00 PM
Blah, Blah, Blah. I clearly do not understand what is going on.
Seriously, fuck off. The administration at my university forced Humans versus Zombies to close down. A significant part of this was due to bad press. Keep in mind that the vast majority of these blasters aren't even modified, and even those that were at most had air restrictors removed.
Nerf is already being kind to the NIC by allowing us to receive information before it's officially posted. Not to mention the gift bags that some have received. Bottom line, we're being more than just tolerated. The last thing we need to do is piss them off.
Edited by Homestarune, 26 November 2010 - 11:01 PM.
Posted 27 November 2010 - 11:33 AM
Posted 29 November 2010 - 07:14 AM
Nerf isn't going to sue but if they did (which they're not) I personally welcome the division. I make (and so do many other nerfers) everything I need to have a war, and at a much lower price and much higher performance than anything I could "mod" or buy in the stores. There's empowerment in standing alone, but if you'd rather wallow at Nerf's heels and be content at having release info one day prior, then that's fine- but also kind of pathetic.
If played correctly, media attention could get our hobby very fucking far - but you girls are obviously content with being "that dorky shit I saw some fat dudes and little kids playing in the park last weekend".
Edited by Fome, 29 November 2010 - 07:15 AM.
Posted 29 November 2010 - 08:48 AM
Posted 29 November 2010 - 02:11 PM
Posted 29 November 2010 - 10:21 PM
You know I don't think Fome every notice I changed his interests to cock on his profile. Apparently he's got a history of antagonizing us. Nice having you around Fome, enjoy NHQ.
And that, my friends, is why you don't fuck with Talio. Now he really is just playing with kids.
Edited by Salindin_Naz, 29 November 2010 - 10:22 PM.
Posted 30 November 2010 - 04:25 PM
Talio, I fixed that statement for you.
*snip*Don't talk to the press cause anything you say will be twisted however they see fit, often times negatively, and THEN used against you.*snip*
Seriously people, it doesn't matter whether or not Hasbro can take legal action. If a bunch of negative (or even positive) stories get out, parents won't let their kids buy nerf blasters and the NIC will only be getting newcomers from people that spend too much time on the computer.
I personally don't think that Hasbro will take legal action on the modifaction community, because then parents won't buy Nerf blasters for their kids to play with, taking away a large chunk of ther revenue*. Also, please don't flame/antagonize/eat me on this because it is MY PERSONAL opinion.
*DISCLAIMER: I don't know for sure, but with my luck, it will end up being the OPPOSITE of what I guessed.
EDIT: I wonder how long it will take to find something seriously wrong with my argument.
Edited by gmzamz, 30 November 2010 - 04:31 PM.
Posted 30 November 2010 - 04:55 PM
If you get caught talking to press about nerf guns you will no longer be welcomed at Nerf Haven. You will be banned permanently.
So did this happen to Vas? Just wondering, I can't find him on the member list.
Posted 30 November 2010 - 05:28 PM
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