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[slowguitarman]

I did this modification a long, long time ago. I probably did it in like June '08, but I could never find springs to make it work properly. I need springs that are stronger than AR springs but weaker than...anything else I can find. I figured it would be easier to post this and let other people in on the search for springs.

The idea behind this is to double the amount of ammo you can carry. If the right springs were found, a douple LS mag could hold up to 28 shots, but even 10 per side would allow for 20 shots, so if you made two of them, you'd have 40+ shots on tap before needing to reload.

Here are some pictures of a normal LS mad modded to hold 12 darts. It works, but the springs are too weak for it to work properly.







If you don't understand from the pictures, you have to shoot 6 shots and then flip the mag around the other direction. You then have another six shots.

Edited by slowguitarman, 14 October 2009 - 07:34 PM.

[dubcwill]

So after you're out of rounds, you take the mag out and twist it? Wouldn't your breech have to only come out to half the clip length?

[slowguitarman]

So after you're out of rounds, you take the mag out and twist it? Wouldn't your breech have to only come out to half the clip length?

Ever made an Angel Breech? The back part of the breech blocks the back of the mag enough to hold the darts on the unused side from being loaded.

[dubcwill]

So after you're out of rounds, you take the mag out and twist it? Wouldn't your breech have to only come out to half the clip length?

Ever made an Angel Breech? The back part of the breech blocks the back of the mag enough to hold the darts on the unused side from being loaded.

Yeah, but I was refering the back part covering the whole back dart, but it doesn't need to. Makes sense.

Edited by dubcwill, 14 October 2009 - 06:41 PM.

[Galaxy613]

So after you're out of rounds, you take the mag out and twist it? Wouldn't your breech have to only come out to half the clip length?

Ever made an Angel Breech? The back part of the breech blocks the back of the mag enough to hold the darts on the unused side from being loaded.

Yeah, but I was refering the back part covering the whole back dart. So it doesn't, makes sense.

No, I am pretty sure you are the one is doesn't makes sense anymore. His answer explained it fully, there is nothing more to explain.

[dubcwill]

So after you're out of rounds, you take the mag out and twist it? Wouldn't your breech have to only come out to half the clip length?

Ever made an Angel Breech? The back part of the breech blocks the back of the mag enough to hold the darts on the unused side from being loaded.

Yeah, but I was refering the back part covering the whole back dart. So it doesn't, makes sense.

No, I am pretty sure you are the one is doesn't makes sense anymore. His answer explained it fully, there is nothing more to explain.

Well, my bad for wording that incorrectly. I meant that the breach doesn't have to come out all the way. Then, I said it makes sense. In no way did I mean to say the he makes no sense at all.

Edited by dubcwill, 14 October 2009 - 06:42 PM.

[jubjub517]

Like the design. The only problem that I can see is that you can only hold 1.5" darts. The original Angel breech was designed for use with 1.75" darts. Without revision, The back darts (that are not in use) could get jammed and thus ruin the darts. From your pics, this isn't a problem for you (Your darts seem to be 1.5"). This would just be a pain in the ass (Like dubcwill and his lack of grammar) for those who copied Angel's mod exactly as he had it. Honestly, I have no idea. I'm just predicting.

If my memory serves me right, several LS AR springs glued together should suffice.

[deadshooter711]

Great mod. I definitely hope you get the right springs. Is there a possible way to use the original clip springs but make them smaller in some way?

Edited by deadshooter711, 14 October 2009 - 07:22 PM.

[SorrowX]

Pretty nice innovation. Might I recommend using the spring from an RFR Clip or even from a spiral-bound notebook? Those might be decent for this project.

[JATDO]

This is a very good idea, could you have a pic of them loaded? (as good as possible)

[slowguitarman]

Like the design. The only problem that I can see is that you can only hold 1.5" darts. The original Angel breech was designed for use with 1.75" darts. Without revision, The back darts (that are not in use) could get jammed and thus ruin the darts. From your pics, this isn't a problem for you (Your darts seem to be 1.5"). This would just be a pain in the ass (Like dubcwill and his lack of grammar) for those who copied Angel's mod exactly as he had it. Honestly, I have no idea. I'm just predicting.

If my memory serves me right, several LS AR springs glued together should suffice.

Yeah, you have to use short darts, but short darts are fine. I've been using them since I started nerfing. Ask anyone from Canada. I get quite a lot of kills with them.

I have no clue what you're trying to say about the darts jamming and getting ruined. Nothing is going to happen to the darts in the back part. They will sit there until they're needed. Also, the Angel Breech was made for darts up to 2.2" in length. Why would it matter if one uses 1.25" or 2.1" darts? Answer: it doesn't.

Also, LS springs would likely be too weak.

Pretty nice innovation. Might I recommend using the spring from an RFR Clip or even from a spiral-bound notebook? Those might be decent for this project.

Thanks. The rfr spring would likely be too strong, but I have never felt one. Spiral notebook thing would be way too strong.

This is a very good idea, could you have a pic of them loaded? (as good as possible)

I suppose. I'll post one in a few minutes. Check the first post.

[JATDO]

[quote name='JATDO' post='253547' date='Oct 14 2009, 08:15 PM']
This is a very good idea, could you have a pic of them loaded? (as good as possible)
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I suppose. I'll post one in a few minutes. Check the first post.
[/quote]

Thanks, thats very cool, I hope you get a good spring for them. The RFR sping might work, I've help a tek clip clip spring, and I am pretty sure they are the same, It isnt that strong.

[slowguitarman]

[quote name='JATDO' date='Oct 14 2009, 08:39 PM' post='253552']
[quote name='JATDO' post='253547' date='Oct 14 2009, 08:15 PM']
This is a very good idea, could you have a pic of them loaded? (as good as possible)
[/quote]

I suppose. I'll post one in a few minutes. Check the first post.
[/quote]

Thanks, thats very cool, I hope you get a good spring for them. The RFR sping might work, I've help a tek clip clip spring, and I am pretty sure they are the same, It isnt that strong.
[/quote]

Even if it isn't "that" strong, it will likely be too strong for this. RFR mags have shells to protect the darts from being squished. In the LS, the spring has to be strong enough to push the dart up without smashing it.

[JATDO]

Even if it isn't "that" strong, it will likely be too strong for this. RFR mags have shells to protect the darts from being squished. In the LS, the spring has to be strong enough to push the dart up without smashing it.

But the RFR clip is also alot bigger, if you cut it down it may work.

[death by cheez]

SGM, you made a quad-mag. That's freaking sick. Extreme kudos to you, and have fun foamily raping people with it.

[SorrowX]

Gah! I'm stupid. SGM, you can make your own springs. Many Michaels and craft stores sell kits where you can make springs of your own, to any size coil, almost any length, and you can make them to a strength of your choice. Using these kits, I've made quite a few catch springs. I'm also fairly sure you can buy the mandrels to fit the LS clip. Its a valuable tool to me, i use it whenever I need new catch springs.
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[slowguitarman]

I never had good luck trying to make springs, but I am total open to doing something that has a kit and instructions. Whenever I can get to Michael's, I will totally grab one of those.

SorrowX, you may have breathed new life into this project. Many thanks

[mystefansdontflystraight]

Wow man, like you needed a reason to diddle more ass with that thing.....

His LS puts everyone's I have gone up against to shame. THis thing, if he gets it to work, will be the bane of every Canadian Nerfer's existence. Well, maybe not AppleFury's....

Speaking of Apple's LS, how's the face? I seriously didn't mean to hit you in the face with that shot....


I am pissed that I just spent about 3 hours and 3 bottles of nail polish remover making my Angel Breech accept darts the length of streamlines..... I have 35 shots now.... YAY!!!!


RFR springs might work. I tore apart my mag, and the spring was really weak, it may work for this.
Do you have any problems with the polycarb coming off? I have had the strips I made out of that piece of polycarb that you sold me snap off about 3 times, just from the darts pushing on it.

Great job, hope it works out in the end.

[slowguitarman]

My face is fine, and it's totally fine. It was an awesome (albeit lucky) shot.

I have had no problems with polyC coming off of anything I've put it on. Fishin' Glue is the only thing I use though.

[Fome]

That's really cool, SGM.

Do you have any gun porn of your LS? Seems to be a fairly nefarious blaster, would love some details.

[slowguitarman]

That's really cool, SGM.

Do you have any gun porn of your LS? Seems to be a fairly nefarious blaster, would love some details.

It's just a reinforced LS with an LS/BBB/RFSG spring combo and angel breech. It's not anything really special. It's only scary because I run around a lot at wars, so I can take out lots of people very quickly.

[SonReeceSonJensen]

Spring suggestion: if you have a Double Shot waiting to be ripped apart and made into Stubby Gun, the springs that push the stock shells back against the air holes might have that right strength. AND there are two!

However, machining your own springs does have a certain DIY appeal.

[slowguitarman]

Spring suggestion: if you have a Double Shot waiting to be ripped apart and made into Stubby Gun, the springs that push the stock shells back against the air holes might have that right strength. AND there are two!

However, machining your own springs does have a certain DIY appeal.

The DS springs are big enough around to allow a stock darts to go through, which means that they won't fit inside an LS mag. I also figure that they're too strong.

[thedarksideofnerf]

But how did you make it to where it doesnt take both of the darts.

[slowguitarman]

But how did you make it to where it doesnt take both of the darts.

Reading the thread is a good start towards finding answers.