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[ice]

As many of us know, the angel breech is the most air tight way to keep a longshot using the clip. Many people don't like the entire design though, because it uses lots of brass, which has a tenancy to break. Don't get me wrong, angel breech's are great, but I came up with something much simpler that works almost exactly the same, but works for those of us with smaller darts, and doesn't have the same annoying-ness of so much brass, as well as does not depend on glue alone to secure the blot nub to the chamber. Here is the mod, Ver 1.

























This is only REV 1, so I'm being gentle with it, but REV 2 should be perfect.


I dub thee, Ice breech.

Edited by ice, 27 September 2009 - 08:51 PM.

[Darken]

Nicely done, but does that wire do well as a dart tooth in preventing jams?

[jerm78]

I have tried to get something like this to work many times with no luck. Great job, glad to see it works. Does it jam often? That was the problem I kept having.

[ice]

Nicely done, but does that wire do well as a dart tooth in preventing jams?

Not quite, and thats the only problem I have right now. I have a new Idea for Rev 2 though, but I need another longshot first...

I have tried to get something like this to work many times with no luck. Great job, glad to see it works. Does it jam often? That was the problem I kept having.

Thanks! It gets 5 out of 6 darts out quickly no problem, so not bad averages. I use really high quality foam though, so lower quality probably won't work as well.

Edited by ice, 27 September 2009 - 08:58 PM.

[Darken]

This could be helpful for my longshot, as I cut the dart tooth back when I knew nothing about modding, and now it jams. A new breech plus something to fix jams would make my day.

[durka durka]

Nice job. Now to go find my stock longshot. I hope rev2 turns out even better.

How long did it take to make?

[durka durka]

Huh, double post. Ignore please

Edited by durka durka, 27 September 2009 - 09:05 PM.

[TantumBull]

You must have some wider-than normal CPVC, as most CPVC is ~.02" too small to fit 1/2" brass.

[jubjub517]

Woah, this reminds me of my very first attempt of an angel breach. My local hardware store had only 17 and 9 brass and I had lost the original barrel and used a big ass screw to attach it to the bolt sled. The gun had been signaled and I have put a Ls spring and a FULL Arrowstorm spring within the gun. All with out it breaking. This mod I will have to try sometime. But incorporate the screw idea.

Great Job. I envy your ideas.

[soccerbeast003]

Is it 6 inch from the back of the black piece or the front?

[ice]

Is it 6 inch from the back of the black piece or the front?

The back.

You must have some wider-than normal CPVC, as most CPVC is ~.02" too small to fit 1/2" brass.

I thought about that while I was making it. If it doesn't fit, then sanding could make it fit, and it would still work the same I think.

Edited by ice, 27 September 2009 - 09:41 PM.

[Blacksunshine]

not bad. pretty similar to my original cpvc to pvc breech that was on my mournblade LS. i found that priming too quickly would cause jams. sre you having that isses?

[ice]

not bad. pretty similar to my original cpvc to pvc breech that was on my mournblade LS. i found that priming too quickly would cause jams. sre you having that isses?

Sometimes, but the bar REALLY helps. I never saw the mournblade... must search.

[Bedhed117]

So what is the point of the coupler. Other than its awsome!

[xbox180]

not bad. pretty similar to my original cpvc to pvc breech that was on my mournblade LS. i found that priming too quickly would cause jams. sre you having that isses?

I have done baisacally an angel breech using 21/32 brass as cover

[Soothsayer]

Wow, you've actually impressed me. Hell has officially frozen over.

[slimjim7]

i tried doing a write-up on this but poor grammar and spelling got me one huge slap on the wrist. (mine had no brass whatsoever).

im holding my lisard and she pissed in my hand.

hi nice to meet you stranger!

[ice]

not bad. pretty similar to my original cpvc to pvc breech that was on my mournblade LS. i found that priming too quickly would cause jams. sre you having that isses?

I have done baisacally an angel breech using 21/32 brass as cover

This is pretty cool. My only problem with it is that you can't use a screw to secure the bolt nub to the chamber, and that was one of the main points why I came up with the mod.

Wow, you've actually impressed me. Hell has officially frozen over.

Edited by ice, 28 September 2009 - 04:14 PM.

[SchizophrenicMC]

Well, at least now this mod has a coherent, graphically aided writeup.

They're damned near identical, though, Ice. Though I guess it's proof of the design.

I daresay if it's named after anyone, it should be the Phibonnachee Breech.

[ice]

Well, at least now this mod has a coherent, graphically aided writeup.

They're damned near identical, though, Ice. Though I guess it's proof of the design.

I daresay if it's named after anyone, it should be the Phibonnachee Breech.

The problem I saw with this method was that there was no bar to keep the darts from coming up to far in the clip. Also, the coupler ending has problems, because there is nothing to push the dart into the barrel, and it might end up in the actual chamber. Thirdly, it relies on glue (for priming), where my design uses a screw. There no where near identical.

[Coop]

1)Also, the coupler ending has problems, because there is nothing to push the dart into the barrel, and it might end up in the actual chamber.
2)Thirdly, it relies on glue (for priming), where my design uses a screw. There no where near identical.

1) I have a singled Longshot that only gets about 5' less flat when you load the dart into the coupler, rather than the barrel. So, the "pushing" isn't really needed as long as it's in the CPVC (even in the middle of the coupler) - at least in my tests
2) Look in the second picture of the other thread, there is a screw there that appears to be holding the CPVC tee to the other part, so you weren't the first to do that either.

Don't get me wrong, I think this is a great modification. And your wire idea is a good solution to the feeding problem. It just seems too similar to Phibonnachee's to call it your own - it's more like an edited version of his (whether or not you saw his thread, it was done before you)

Edited by Coop, 30 September 2009 - 03:40 PM.

[Heat Signature]

Well, at least now this mod has a coherent, graphically aided writeup.

They're damned near identical, though, Ice. Though I guess it's proof of the design.

I daresay if it's named after anyone, it should be the Phibonnachee Breech.

The problem I saw with this method was that there was no bar to keep the darts from coming up to far in the clip. Also, the coupler ending has problems, because there is nothing to push the dart into the barrel, and it might end up in the actual chamber. Thirdly, it relies on glue (for priming), where my design uses a screw. There no where near identical.

PM the topic starter. He'll tell you what he told me which is that he DID use a screw as well as glue to hold the CPVC T onto the bolt.

[SchizophrenicMC]

The problem I saw with this method was that there was no bar to keep the darts from coming up to far in the clip. Also, the coupler ending has problems, because there is nothing to push the dart into the barrel, and it might end up in the actual chamber. Thirdly, it relies on glue (for priming), where my design uses a screw. There no where near identical.

I didn't say it wasn't an improvement, Ice. No need to prove yourself. I was just saying it's too much like Phibonnachee's breech to call it an Ice Breech.

Which is basically what Coop beat me to saying straight out.

[Darkstar]

Very nice.

[Talio]

Darkstar has been banned.