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[Disturbed]

Wow, beautiful paintjob, I love the icicles on the side. Your mods are always fun to look at with your animals helping out. Please keep up the great work.

[wingd man]

So wait, neither of the triggers are hooked up to the original trigger?

Correct. The original Magstrike trigger only controls the release valve.

Interesting, cool , but interesting. I like it!

[minsc]

Haha, it's Talio in walrus form helping out the explanation. Just kidding. Anyways, beautiful paint details and well built overall.

[TantumBull]

That paintjob is... friggin awesome. Question time!

MS bladders expand before getting to a ridiculously high PSI, like a PVC tank. It seems like the pressure wouldn't be sufficient to fill all tanks to an optimal amount more than once or twice. This is just speculation, so I may be wrong. Do you notice a major loss in power after the first shot?

Edited by TantumBull, 25 March 2009 - 08:47 PM.

[dizzyduck]

Do you notice a major loss in power after the first shot?

Not really a "major" one. After two or three rounds of shots the air pressure starts to go down significantly. Moreso with the Hornet tanks than with the 3k tank. The Hornet tanks can be temperamental at times; sometimes they fire really well and other times the dart barely makes it out of a 3-inch-long barrel.

[Forsaken angel24]

I heart Dizzy.

[Fome]

Very cool!

I love the creativity of your mods.

I am really interested to hear about the quirks of your gun, ie. how you'd have to hold the MS trigger down while pumping in order to actually fill the tanks. How comfortable is it to fire with the two triggers in the back of the shell? And finally, do you have any problems with unintentional firings/leaks? Ie., does firing the main tank cause the hornet tanks to lose back pressure and fire or do the check valves prevent that?

I ask because I'm integrating a hornet into a MS and am having troubles. The hornet OVRP activates before the MS bladder is even half full, causing any additional air pumped in to simply leak out of the hornet. Did you run into any problems while assembling?

Again, awesome mod!

[diamondbacknf1626]

Dizzy, I love the mod and the pj and Hector . The gun itself seems pretty effective, and I'm interested to see how ranges turn out once you get around to it.

One comment though. One thing you may want to do is cut down inside of the shell where the bladder expands, so that it has more room to. This may allow you to squeeze a little more shots per set of pumps even though you may have to pump a few more times.

Very cool!

I love the creativity of your mods.

I am really interested to hear about the quirks of your gun, ie. how you'd have to hold the MS trigger down while pumping in order to actually fill the tanks. How comfortable is it to fire with the two triggers in the back of the shell? And finally, do you have any problems with unintentional firings/leaks? Ie., does firing the main tank cause the hornet tanks to lose back pressure and fire or do the check valves prevent that?

I ask because I'm integrating a hornet into a MS and am having troubles. The hornet OVRP activates before the MS bladder is even half full, causing any additional air pumped in to simply leak out of the hornet. Did you run into any problems while assembling?

Again, awesome mod!

Dizzy, you may correct me if I'm wrong, however, I think I can answer a few of these questions. From what I can tell, you don't hold the MS trigger down while pumping in order to fill the tanks. You pump, it fills the Magstrike bladder, stop pumping, and then in order to fill the tanks, you just hold down the trigger for however much time it takes to fill the tanks. Then release the MS trigger, the tanks are filled, and you're good to fire them off. Also, to adress the problem you're having with yours. Is your MS bladder attached directly to your tanks/trigger, or does it have the origingal MS release valve still in place? If not, that would be your problem. As you can see, in this mod, the release valve is still in place, which is what is utalized to regulate the pressure entering the 3k and hornet tanks.

I'm also curious as to pressurization problems with the tanks. Are you able to fire the 3k without depleating the hornet, and the other way around? I see the check valve, but it does not seperate each type of tank from one another. Any insight would be great.

Edited by diamondbacknf1626, 26 March 2009 - 03:46 PM.

[Fome]

Dizzy, you may correct me if I'm wrong, however, I think I can answer a few of these questions. From what I can tell, you don't hold the MS trigger down while pumping in order to fill the tanks. You pump, it fills the Magstrike bladder, stop pumping, and then in order to fill the tanks, you just hold down the trigger for however much time it takes to fill the tanks. Then release the MS trigger, the tanks are filled, and you're good to fire them off. Also, to adress the problem you're having with yours. Is your MS bladder attached directly to your tanks/trigger, or does it have the origingal MS release valve still in place? If not, that would be your problem. As you can see, in this mod, the release valve is still in place, which is what is utalized to regulate the pressure entering the 3k and hornet tanks.

Thanks for the response, diamondback.

I have a T coupler between the MS bladder and the MS trigger (release valve). This is then hooked up to the check valve the titan normally connects to, and then right to the hornet trigger mechanism. It takes about 20 good pumps (the MS pump is significantly larger than the hornet pump), the MS bladder is 1/3rd full, hornet tanks are full, and then any additional pumping goes right out the hornet barrels. Leaky barrel or OVRP? I'm not sure.

I might have to add a ball valve like in this thread Marvelous Magstrike

[diamondbacknf1626]

Dizzy, you may correct me if I'm wrong, however, I think I can answer a few of these questions. From what I can tell, you don't hold the MS trigger down while pumping in order to fill the tanks. You pump, it fills the Magstrike bladder, stop pumping, and then in order to fill the tanks, you just hold down the trigger for however much time it takes to fill the tanks. Then release the MS trigger, the tanks are filled, and you're good to fire them off. Also, to adress the problem you're having with yours. Is your MS bladder attached directly to your tanks/trigger, or does it have the origingal MS release valve still in place? If not, that would be your problem. As you can see, in this mod, the release valve is still in place, which is what is utalized to regulate the pressure entering the 3k and hornet tanks.

Thanks for the response, diamondback.

I have a T coupler between the MS bladder and the MS trigger (release valve). This is then hooked up to the check valve the titan normally connects to, and then right to the hornet trigger mechanism. It takes about 20 good pumps (the MS pump is significantly larger than the hornet pump), the MS bladder is 1/3rd full, hornet tanks are full, and then any additional pumping goes right out the hornet barrels. Leaky barrel or OVRP? I'm not sure.

I might have to add a ball valve like in this thread Marvelous Magstrike

No problem at all.

I'm a bit confused as to your setup. So in this order:
Pump
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/
Bladder
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Tconnector (Goes two ways)------MS trigger
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Check valve
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Hornet trigger mech
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/
Hornet blast chambers?

If this is the case, then you have nothing in between restricting the air from going directly from the bladder to the hornet integration. Therefore, when you're pumping, it pumps both the bladder and the hornet, and as per usual op valves, you will at 20 pumps, like you stated, achieve the pressure in the bladder and hornet that will open the op valve. In order for your system to work effectively, you must have the MS trigger (release valve) in between the bladder and the hornet, so that you can completely fill up the bladder, and then at your leasure release air from the bladder into the hornet mech.

EDIT- The MS release valve (main MS trigger) should serve the same purpose as the ball valve would.

Edited by diamondbacknf1626, 26 March 2009 - 06:17 PM.

[dizzyduck]

Diamondback, the Magstrike release valve is there in place to keep the air from going out of the bladder until I pull the MS trigger.

On a non-related note, the 3K tank sprung an o-ring leak and I am currently in the process of swapping it out with a 2K tank.

[diamondbacknf1626]

Diamondback, the Magstrike release valve is there in place to keep the air from going out of the bladder until I pull the MS trigger.

Yep, that's what I was trying to say. Sorry, I know I may have rambled a tad. It serves the purpose of regulating the air leaving the MS bladder correct? So when you are not holding the trigger, no air leaves the bladder, so you're free to fire the 3k and hornet, and then when you squeeze it, it allows air to leave the bladder and fill the tanks, correct? That's basically the point I was trying to make before.

If I'm correct as to what Fome was saying about his setup, then he does not have the MS release valve set in between the bladder and the blast chambers, resulting in having nothing to stop the air from traveling freely from the bladder to the tanks and subsequently triggering the op valve.

Sorry to hear about the 3k tank. It'll be nice to have a nice new tank in there though, although I did like the patch job.

[nerfer34]

Unbelievable, but ya you should probably replace those Hornet tanks with Salvo tanks sometime.....That paintjob is amazing.

[Zorns Lemma]

Looking at your setup, it seems like firing the At3k/2k would also fire the first hornet tank (or leak all of that tank's pressure through the 3k/2k). Does that happen or am I missing something?

[dizzyduck]

Looking at your setup, it seems like firing the At3k/2k would also fire the first hornet tank (or leak all of that tank's pressure through the 3k/2k). Does that happen or am I missing something?

That's correct. I can only fire one or the other, not both, without having to release more air from the bladder. A third check valve between SMDTG trigger and the tee would solve this.

[dizzyduck]

I hate bumping my own threads, but I do have relevant information.

1. I took JSB's advice and installed check valves on each side of the tee. All the tanks are working great now.

2. One of my Hornet tanks was not firing well at all so I replaced it with another Hornet tank and now all three fire great.

3. I moved the SMDTG trigger forward about half an inch and put a screw on the top of the button so that I can push it down from the back end of the Magstrike shell. I've found this helps the tanks fire more consistently.

[dizzyduck]

Another self-bump with more relevant information.

I finally got a chance to test Frostbite after the fixes I made, and I believe I've found a solid option for an outdoor primary. It has a good balance between rate of fire and accuracy; the 2k tank was firing well inside my apartment, consistently nailing a 1' square target at chest height from about 40 feet away, and the Hornet tanks were all firing relatively consistently. (There were one or two shots where the third tank didn't fire, but I believe that may be a result of me not pressing the trigger down far enough to actuate the third tank.)

Here's how I got the best results:

1. Pump Magstrike 25-30 times.
2. When target is acquired and in range for Hornet tanks, press the MS trigger, then immediately fire the SMDTG trigger. The longer you wait between trigger fires, the less consistent the shots will be.
3. Pump Magstrike 3-5 times to refill the bladder to capacity.

You can now fire the 2K tank if you wish, or tap the trigger again to repeat step 2. The 2K tank will remain filled until you fire it with the keyring trigger. You can also use Frostbite as an oversized semi-automatic AT2K.

Number of 2K shots from 25 pumps: 5 (The sixth had about half the force behind it that shots 1-5 had.)
Number of Hornet rounds from 25 pumps: 3 (The fourth round resulted in two of the barrels barely firing the darts out of the barrels.)

Holding the MS trigger down for longer than a half-second will not do anything more than drain the bladder. Between shots, or whenever there is a break in the action, you can pump the MS bladder to capacity so you don't have to spend time pumping all at once when the bladder empties.

[lantus nova]

Wow, this gun is amazing.
And I'm a tad afraid of Hector. . .

[imodrecons]

the magstirke trigger let the air flow but half of the blader for one shot in each barrel then release the rest of the air then shoot again like a semi auto at3k