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#26 Draconis

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Posted 14 October 2008 - 10:24 PM

Yowzers... Without those two o-rings, I'll bet you see a big jump in range. Also, if we commit to the outside dimension of 1" Sch. 40 PVC, then we could just as easily use thinwall. It would require some slight adjustments to the plunger head and the bushing, but none of the frame portions. This should give a slight bump in volume, and reduce the mass slightly.
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Posted 14 October 2008 - 10:53 PM

Very nice, but just one question. Why not making a pull-pin, or homemade nightfinder priming handle for it. My friend has had two lock n' loads and it isn't easy or comfortable priming them without a pull-pin.
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Posted 14 October 2008 - 11:24 PM

Yowzers... Without those two o-rings, I'll bet you see a big jump in range. Also, if we commit to the outside dimension of 1" Sch. 40 PVC, then we could just as easily use thinwall. It would require some slight adjustments to the plunger head and the bushing, but none of the frame portions. This should give a slight bump in volume, and reduce the mass slightly.

1" thinwall(SDR) - avg I.D.=1.169" avg O.D.=1.315"

Thats off the top of my head too. I've been working on a CAD project and those numbers have ingrained themselves into my mind. O.D. will be the same as SCH40, but now that you have the inner, you can start tweaking the plunger head.
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Posted 15 October 2008 - 12:30 AM

That looks nice. The only downside is that you'll have to either leave it unpainted, or give it a really garish paintjob. Is the handle comfy? If you bring these to SENO, I'll have to check one out.
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Posted 15 October 2008 - 06:07 AM

And did that video really show me what I think it did? Even the inventor of this thing can't hit an 8.5x11 sheet of paper at six feet??????

The dart hits and bounces down. If it didn't, oh well. I usually don't try to aim a gun at an angle looking through a camera so this really has no bearing on my aiming ability.

That looks nice. The only downside is that you'll have to either leave it unpainted, or give it a really garish paintjob. Is the handle comfy? If you bring these to SENO, I'll have to check one out.

I rather fancy the thick solid handle, I sanded it with a Mouse Sander and it's pretty comfy. Why wouldn't I be able to paint it?

Edited by A side of nerf, 15 October 2008 - 06:09 AM.

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Posted 15 October 2008 - 10:55 AM

It would look too realistic with a lot of paintjobs (much like the actual lock & load).
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Posted 15 October 2008 - 10:56 AM

I admire what you are trying to do here. I just dont think it is necessary. The Lock n Load is no longer the best pistol out there. With NFs being readily available and just as good there is really no need for the L n L anymore. This design not only requires you to have a plusbow, and have purchased all the parts, but also purchase more parts and assemble it.

For this reason it isn't worth it. It looks good though, I must say.

If you look at it from the standpoint of the mission of the +Bow (to replicate a rare Nerf blaster), then it's not necessary. On the other hand, there just aren't that many homemade sidearms, period, let alone ones that work well and look good doing it. For that reason alone it's worth it.
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Posted 15 October 2008 - 11:37 AM

Later today I'll remake the templates in CAD so I can find out if they could fit onto the sheets along side the +Bow templates.
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Posted 15 October 2008 - 11:52 AM

Later today I'll remake the templates in CAD so I can find out if they could fit onto the sheets along side the +Bow templates.


That would be awesome. For some reason, Open Office 3 doesn't seem to like the drawings in ASON's templates. They overlap in places and have an entire blank page at the end.
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Posted 15 October 2008 - 11:56 AM

And did that video really show me what I think it did? Even the inventor of this thing can't hit an 8.5x11 sheet of paper at six feet??????

The dart hits and bounces down. If it didn't, oh well. I usually don't try to aim a gun at an angle looking through a camera so this really has no bearing on my aiming ability.


I know this is a little off topic, but I will vouch for Aside's aiming ability, having faced his mad skills at the last SENO (against a SNAPish +bow). Bring a few of these to Fall SENO, I wanna compare them to the other sidearms.
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Posted 15 October 2008 - 02:26 PM

Very nice replica of the LNL. I like it a lot. Is there any chance that the PVC plunger tube can be replaced with a clear plastic tube? Like the one on the +Bow?

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Posted 15 October 2008 - 04:34 PM

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I'll probably make a prototype sometime next week.
Outside of the supplies leftover from making a +Bow, it will require only the purchasing of the bushing, clear tube, and spacers.
Templates will fit on the 12x12 sheets with the +Bow templates.
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Edited by CaptainSlug, 15 October 2008 - 04:35 PM.

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Posted 15 October 2008 - 04:35 PM

Wowzers. Put that thing in a "smoked" plastic framo like on the PlusBow rev 2, and it'll probably be just about the best homemade sidearm I've ever seen
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Posted 15 October 2008 - 04:45 PM

That's...That's... beautiful. *tear*

Put a stock on it and call it a carbine.

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Posted 15 October 2008 - 06:19 PM

Nice modification. And also a lot of LnL's can outrange 60's.
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Posted 15 October 2008 - 06:34 PM

I love it. And nice addition to the +Bow CS. Looks great!
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Posted 15 October 2008 - 08:52 PM

UPDATE:
Official range test taken today. The winds were low and not high enough to effect range. The gun was held flat.

Average: 85 feet (first range of 60 feet was estimated)

I am going to begin work on revising the gun.
Goals:
+ Create new priming handle.
+ Cut cost (at least $25)
+ Experiment with paint jobs.
+ Work on refining catch design.

Many of these goals may be adressed by CS before I get to them so be sure to look out for updates from him.

Thanks for drawing up that design in CAD Slug. I can't wait to see what you do with it.

For those attending SENO:
I am considering bringing two to sell. I'll let you test run them if you are considering purchasing. Prices can be determined on the spot meaning no reservations, and it goes to the highest bidder.

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Posted 15 October 2008 - 08:56 PM

Goals:
+ Create new priming handle.
+ Work on refining catch design.

For this blaster I would recommend using 1/4" polycarbonate to make the plunger rod because the priming handle and stock rods are used in the Rev.2 design to keep the plunger rod from rotating around. The rotation will eventually misalign the notch away from the catch plate.

With the plunger rod made from 1/4" polycarbonate, the priming handle can just be a 1" length screw with spacers on it.
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Posted 16 October 2008 - 07:30 AM

The only issue with a homemade sidearm is the reload. Using lengthy petg, brass, or cpvc barrels in order to harness the added pop makes finger loading difficult and often removes the most important utility of a side arm. This is not the gun you should be using to hit someone from range, this is the gun you're using to hold someone off when you're reloading your primary, or, if you've fired all your shots, to load quickly and defend yourself. With my plusbow, the breech gives me a nice comfortable rload, but that is far too slow for a sidearm. A goal I would suggest is achieving solid ranges (ACCURATE at 50 would be plenty for a sidearm) with a barrel that can be loaded to the rear with your pinky.

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Posted 16 October 2008 - 11:23 AM

The only issue with a homemade sidearm is the reload. Using lengthy petg, brass, or cpvc barrels in order to harness the added pop makes finger loading difficult and often removes the most important utility of a side arm. This is not the gun you should be using to hit someone from range, this is the gun you're using to hold someone off when you're reloading your primary, or, if you've fired all your shots, to load quickly and defend yourself. With my plusbow, the breech gives me a nice comfortable rload, but that is far too slow for a sidearm. A goal I would suggest is achieving solid ranges (ACCURATE at 50 would be plenty for a sidearm) with a barrel that can be loaded to the rear with your pinky.

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Could turn it into a split-shot, half the barrel lengths and double the shots.

Or you could use it as a breeched secondary to a shotgun attached +Bow.
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Posted 16 October 2008 - 11:54 AM

Breaching a secondary or sidearm is, generally speaking, incredibly impractical for use in a nerf war. Also, I have no idea what "a shotgun attached +Bow" is.
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Posted 16 October 2008 - 01:29 PM

Breaching a secondary or sidearm is, generally speaking, incredibly impractical for use in a nerf war. Also, I have no idea what "a shotgun attached +Bow" is.


I can only assume that the he is talking about a +Bow with a titan-like shotgun attachment for it's barrel. A configeration I have never even heard about.
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Posted 16 October 2008 - 02:52 PM

Breaching a secondary or sidearm is, generally speaking, incredibly impractical for use in a nerf war. Also, I have no idea what "a shotgun attached +Bow" is.


I can only assume that the he is talking about a +Bow with a titan-like shotgun attachment for it's barrel. A configeration I have never even heard about.


That's correct. I figure if a standard 12" barrel can shoot 100+' then a shotgun attachment of 3 or 4 barrels should do decently, but maybe I'm confused and a springer wouldn't work as a shotgun as well as an air gun.
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Posted 16 October 2008 - 05:13 PM

Breaching a secondary or sidearm is, generally speaking, incredibly impractical for use in a nerf war. Also, I have no idea what "a shotgun attached +Bow" is.


I can only assume that the he is talking about a +Bow with a titan-like shotgun attachment for it's barrel. A configeration I have never even heard about.


That's correct. I figure if a standard 12" barrel can shoot 100+' then a shotgun attachment of 3 or 4 barrels should do decently, but maybe I'm confused and a springer wouldn't work as a shotgun as well as an air gun.


The +Bow has so much plunger displacement volume the it should easily be able to shoot three micros 30-40 feet, and four darts 25-35 feet.
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Posted 16 October 2008 - 06:23 PM

MAJOR UPDATE

Templates have been revised. Handle size got messed up so I re-sized it to the correct size. I am sorry if you have begun construction or machining, but this change is crucial as the previous size was flat-out wrong.

I will be experimenting with barrel lengths and I will post my data when done.

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