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[Arius]

The accuracy is questionable at best until you learn how to aim and fire it. After you know what you're looking for, it's pinpoint. You just really need to figure out what is in between you and your target. The muzzle velocity on the gun is such that, when the darts leave the barrel, they're arrow straight, but as they fly the air REALLY affects them. Going form one type space to another also has odd effect on them, i.e going from a hall into a room, or somewhere where there's a pressure differential, like a room where the A/C is on, and a hall where it's not, or into an atrium from a classroom. I've learned how to use it over the last month or two in wars. I'm pretty good with it. Also, in rare occasions, I can hook a dart around a corner and still hit people.

[AJAQ]

So let me get straight.

You are claiming:

A. Pinpoint accuracy. (with streamline)
B. 150 feet range (With streamline)
C. NO barrel
D. Dart Tooth intact.


Is that correct?

[Pineapple]

Sounds like you made the Titan sharpshoter rifle of the springer world.

--Good range (I won't endorse nor refute your 150 foot range claim, until someone can verify it in a war situation, etc.).

--Somewhat advanced and complicated (such as Angel's brass breech mod. Can be done but takes extra time and details. Not for the faint of heart/ super newbies.)

--Easily broken (from what I read, sounds like it's ready to break everytime you cock it for a shot)

--Slow recycle time, not the most practical of weapons for a practical Nerf war (again, you said it yourself, it's more of a douche bag weapon than a "normal trooper" weapon (if there is even such a thing).


What's odd is that you make a 14 round mag for it (how did you do that one?), even if the recycle rate is not the fastest. Someone with a more "practical" weapon (such as a "standard modded" Longshot, AT3k, or even a 2k) would be able to keep you from reloading that thing (you'd be on your sidearm keeping attackers back), or something you can't necessarily recycle "on the run" (which happens a lot during most of our wars).



Innovative. Original. Practical?



-Piney-

[Forsaken angel24]

Bullshit Bullshit Bullshit.

Thats all thats on my mind.
Take out a 200' spool tape measure and roll it out to 150 feet.
There is no way a stock longshot dart can fly that far from a longshot or any gun.
It would spiral out of control and hit the ground or start spiraling in another direction.
100 feet maybe. 115 is pushing it. 150 feet?!!!
The worst part is all of this without a barrel replacement!!!
There is Bull and Horse feces smeared all over these ranges.

I know what it takes to make a springer shoot that far.
The longshot does not have and will never have the ability to shoot that far with the plunger assembly.

150 feet from a longshot without a barrel! Do not insult our intelligence.

Edited by Forsaken_angel24, 09 December 2007 - 10:28 PM.

[precisionnerfer]

Hm,
It happened to me, it happened to Smashkirby, [or whatever] and it might have happened to arius.
Angled ranges.

In my research of Arius I have not found him active in forums that specify flat ranges, so, with my current knowledge he is either:

Lying.
Badly, badly mistaken.
Has his gun angled.

[Cmdrmack]

Arius, on Dec 9 2007, 04:04 PM, said:

The accuracy is questionable at best until you learn how to aim and fire it. After you know what you're looking for, it's pinpoint. You just really need to figure out what is in between you and your target. The muzzle velocity on the gun is such that, when the darts leave the barrel, they're arrow straight, but as they fly the air REALLY affects them... Also, in rare occasions, I can hook a dart around a corner and still hit people.

Sounds to me like the streamlines are the secret. Remember the first Longshot write-up? Carrtoon tested it and the ranges maxed out at 99 feet with fairly minimal modifications. The difference? He used the stock darts in his test, which as the video shows, fly all over the place, depending on where the hole in the top of the streamline dart is placed.

The hole adds drag, when that drag is added to the bottom, the dart drops faster. When it is added to one of the sides, it curls very hard around to one side, getting that "around the corner" shot that Arius is describing. When that extra drag is added to the top, we get lift, which results in abnormally long ranges.

So Arius, I'm not going to echo Angel's calls of bullshit. I think your ranges are plausible because a flat shot with a streamline, as I've described, might actually behave like an angled shot due to the aerodynamics adding lift to the dart.

To standardize your results, try the same shot with a stefan, the kind of ammunition by which we generally judge ranges, and then get back to us with those ranges.

I'm not calling you a liar, I'm just saying your ranges are not measured the same way we generally measure ours.

Lastly, the added power is not what impresses me about this mod, but rather the reinforced/homemade bolt sled.

[AJAQ]

Even with the hole on top, It wouldn't hit 150 feet.

The dart will rotate during flight, therefore eventually angle towards the ground.

[watkins]

Forsaken_angel24, on Dec 9 2007, 10:27 PM, said:

There is no way a stock longshot dart can fly that far from a longshot or any gun.
It would spiral out of control and hit the ground or start spiraling in another direction.
100 feet maybe. 115 is pushing it. 150 feet?!!!

My Titan can get a stock streamline around 150. Yes, I measured. The ground dropped maybe 10-15 feet over those 150. Granted thats not at all in the direction I aim, nor is it consistant due - as you said - to spiraling, so it certainly doesnt matter.

But really, theres no way in hell a LS without a lot of work on the barrel will get anywhere near that far with a streamline. The power delivery just isnt smooth enough, among other issues.

Edited by watkins, 10 December 2007 - 11:46 AM.

[Arius]

First off, I never claimed it WASN'T an angled shot. OF COURSE it was angled. Second, I TOLD you that the distance was because of the streamline darts. With stefans, it maxes out at close to 100' (flat shot because that seems to be SOO important to you.) Angled it goes closer to 115'

Forsaken Angel, why don't you drop on by one of our wars so I can pop you in the face with it? And preferably with out those masks you favor in your videos.

There are people here that can vouch for it. In fact, I nailed someone in the gun at 150' friday night. (12/07/07)

In so far as the pinpoint accuracy is concerned, yes, I am that accurate with it. However, please read where I descried the amount of time it took to get there. If one of you were to just pick it up, you'd probably tell me it sucks and that you couldn't hit a damn thing with it.

I can pop off a shot, reload, and shoot again in about 8 seconds. I've told you, it's a RANGE weapon. it is almost useless except for extreme range shots. It has a niche in my arsenal, and in that niche, it performs well.

If there are any other nay-sayers, I cordially invite you to do the same as FA24 and drop by, or shut your damn mouth until you have.

[precisionnerfer]

Arius, on Dec 10 2007, 11:04 AM, said:

First off, I never claimed it WASN'T an angled shot. OF COURSE it was angled....

Alright, see guys? He had it angled. Now don't flame him, anyone. There is nothing written anywhere on this sight that is plan to see that we do flat ranges. A new member that doesn't read the right threads could easily think that we do angled ranges. [like myself] That's why I think it should be in the COC, or in a pinned thread that helps new members.

[Arius]

An angled shot is still fine, in so far as I'm concerned. If it can hit someone at 150', it fulfills it's purpose.

[keef]

Buy me a plane ticket to your war and I will DEFINATLY let you shoot me in the face from even 120 feet with ANY of your Nerf Guns. Thanks for the invite

PN: I say we make a Noob Guide, like a guide on what not to do unless you want to be made fun of, flamed, or anything. The COC is conduct and behavior, so thats why it would need a new guide or something. Or just add to Ompa's and make it a big hyperlink on the frontpage.

Now- wheres Badger

[precisionnerfer]

keef, on Dec 10 2007, 01:46 PM, said:

PN: I say we make a Noob Guide...

Heck, I've probably had some of the most experience with being a noob, and I can make a well-written summary when I want to..... you keef, know the ropes around here better then I do... let's get to work.

Pm'ed

[Arius]

The mere fact that y'all want to flame me for sharing what is, in reality, a fix for a common problem, and a good mod, is a failure on your part. You should encourage new people in ways that are constructive, not kick them in the nuts till the leave and never return, and that's the last i have to say about that.

On a lighter note, I'd be happy to blast you in the face (same goes for you Fallen Angel), just drop by. There are bi-monthly (twice a month for you R-tards.) at my school. It's in Tempe, Arizona. Let me know in a PM if anyone wants to drop by, I think it'd be fun to meet some of y'all IRL.

Edited by Arius, 10 December 2007 - 03:10 PM.

[Cmdrmack]

Cmdrmack, on Dec 9 2007, 03:18 PM, said:

The write-up is nice and detailed, but the pics are a little vague/fuzzy. The bolt sled replacement is the best part of this mod in my opinion...Very good mod, there were some things here that haven't been done before, I'm glad you've put it up.

Cmdrmack, on Dec 9 2007, 11:29 PM, said:

... the added power is not what impresses me about this mod, but rather the reinforced/homemade bolt sled.

I was complimenting you on the part of the mod that I thought was the best, the bolt sled. Other people have also said good things about it.

However, even though you had a good first post (or at least, by proxy) you do not have enough respect here to lash out at people who have worked long and hard to build up their reputation on this site. For the most part, you're an unknown quantity, and everything you do or say will affect people's opinions of you.

You were posting before you were even really a member here. Part of the validation process is so you can look around, read older posts, get a feel for how things work here at Nerfhaven. It looks to me like you have not done that. Had you taken the time to look around you would have found that we measure ranges flat. That may not be something that is overtly stated, but it is the standard here, and I'm pretty sure it's the standard at NerfHQ as well.

Also, if you want to take your contributions and leave, no one will stop you. This is not the place to go on an ego trip. One good modification is enough to be received favorably, but it is not enough to guarantee that you have enough respect to be listened to without question.

So ease up, do some reading, and enjoy your time here at Nerfhaven. Don't pick fights, don't make threats, don't be dumb. Just be respectful and quiet until you have something that needs saying, then say it. Over time, people will begin to listen to you. That's how you earn your place here.

[lionhead333]

Am I the only one who's just waiting for him to be banned?

We've acknowledged that you used angled shots. We've acknowledged that you used streamlines. We acknowledge that you're new, now shut the hell up. The homemade bolt sled was genius. The fact that now you're just bitching isn't.

And, for the records, it's Forsaken Angel, you

Quote

R-tard.

It pisses me off with all these members newer than I am posting pure shit and being helped out. I'm sorry to be an asshole.

EDIT: Beaten by Cmdrmack.

Edited by lionhead333, 10 December 2007 - 04:24 PM.

[Arius]

I wasn't trying to make an ass of myself, I was just trying to point out that the flaming wasn't encouraging to prospective members.

As far as the ranges go, you are right, I should have specified. I've been lurking here for FAR too long without being able to post, but that fact never really bothered me until had a contribution to make. I was aware that flat was the standard, however I tend to use the gun to raged shots, and therefore angled shots, so i posted the ranges that the gun routinely hits.

Either way.... here's to hoping it makes it to the mod directory.

To reiterate what I said earlier tho, i really would like to meet some of y'all. In particular, anytime Angel wants to pit his LS against mine, I'm down. I'll be in Atlanta in two weeks, but till then it's Tempe for me.

Also, I have a few more mods to post, so i couldn't just pack my crap up and leave the Haven. In fact, you couldn't get me to leave if you tried.

The other mods I'll post are:

Sawtooth: range, clip reliability and modding for micros.

Clip-Tek: Range, handle replacement, and plunger tube upgrade.

Firefly: Spring upgrade and SMG-ing.

A how-to on making holsters with ammo holders for NiteFinders.


Anything in particular y'all want to see?

[Cmdrmack]

More of this kind of post.

I like that this is heavy on content, the more good stuff you post the better. The less of an ass you are, the better your stay here will be. We're not here to encourage new members, we're here to encourage worthwhile content and discussion. Your modification and this above post are both examples of what people should be doing here.

Welcome to the Haven.

[OfAllTheNerf]

Okay,

Arius, it seems that all the range disputes have been settled, but you really shouldn't get so pissed off. If you looked around the forum a little you would see all ranges are measure FLAT. So you could have avoided this whole thing by just saying the flat ranges (FFR).

Also, I wouldn't go around insulting/challenging/threatening (would anyone dare?) one of the most prominent members of the NIC, especially when you don't have quite a rep yourself. Going around insulting someone like Forsaken_Angel doesn't really get you off to a good start.

Edited by OfAllTheNerf, 10 December 2007 - 09:26 PM.

[Scotch]

OfAllTheNerf, on Dec 10 2007, 09:23 PM, said:

Okay,

Arius, it seems that all the range disputes have been settled, but you really shouldn't get so pissed off. If you looked around the forum a little you would see all ranges are measure FLAT. So you could have avoided this whole thing by just saying the flat ranges (FFR).

Also, I wouldn't go around insulting/challenging/threatening (would anyone dare?) one of the most prominent members of the NIC, especially when you don't have quite a rep yourself. Going around insulting someone like Forsaken_Angel doesn't really get you off to a good start.

Ah, I think we all know what happens when someone new insults FA_24.

[Forsaken angel24]

Shot in the face with a streamline dart at 150 feet?
I will give you $20 cash on the spot if you can do that.

If you met me in person you would realize threats are not such a good idea.

As far as your mod goes. I personally don't like it. I think its sloppy and bound to break very soon.
But you did go through descriptions and use pictures so I give you respect there.

In no way am I trying to discourage other Nerf Gunsmiths. I just cannot take bullshit claims.
However I am not calling you a lair. What I am saying is you believe what you say, but what you say is wrong.
Reminds me of my first major posting here at the Haven.
Dead Sexy


Bottom line:

Thanks for contributing, Consider it added to the Directory.
Watch who you threaten.
Go out and buy a 200' tape measure reel.
Make sure the top of your gun is parallel to the ground when firing.
Finish those other mods so I have something else to read on here.
Now have a coke and a smile and shut the fuck up.

[Arius]

Dear Forsaken_Angel,

Allow me to apologize. It wasn't meant as a threat, it was really more of me flying off at the mouth. Either way.

To the rest of y'all (FA included):

The way I measured is by taking a 12' measuring tape, and marking off every 10' in the hallway at my dorm, out to 200'. I then took 14 shots down range, and measured each shot from the nearest ten with that same measuring tape.

I'm assuming that this would be just as good as the 200' measuring tape? yes? no? suggestions?

[penguin807]

Well, it's better than how most people measure ranges, which is guessing, but I say get a tape measure reel anyways, so you save some time and arguments.

Edited by penguin807, 03 February 2008 - 06:00 PM.

[precisionnerfer]

Arius, on Dec 11 2007, 10:08 AM, said:

Dear Forsaken_Angel,

Allow me to apologize. It wasn't meant as a threat....

Heh heh, yeah, I really couldn't see this:

"I'm gonna shoot you with a stock streamline dart!"

As a threat.

Edited by precisionnerfer, 11 December 2007 - 11:58 AM.