I dunno about you, but i dont roll my guns around in the grass, so I dont understand why you would get grass all over it....Also, Ive had the same E-tape on my plain x-bow for 3 years, looks brand new.....

I also dont have goop laying around the house, nore do I feel like driving 15 minutes just to go get some when I have 5 rolls of perfectly good E-tape right here.

3 Years? Usually after a few years, my electrical tape starts to degrade and the adhesive melts off all over the place... but that's on electronics, maybe it's different.

You'd be suprised at what people would pay $100-400 for...

Maybe when I'm rich and famous a decade from now I will truly understand! It would also be different if the CB was still one of the only really good loser weapons like it was back in the day, but now the AT2K and the SM5k and the SM1500 and the Maxshot and blah blah blah all have comperable'ish ranges to that, so there is really no reason to search out an X-bow unless its your favorite gun EVERERERERER and you just only want to use that gun.

edit: Mini painballs? how much do they weight/cost!? LINK nerf with mini paintballs would be kinda a cool function as far as the "did i hit u" ness of it, sure it would only work in airguns but thatd be a fun little option ha!

Yeah but how many times do you have to pump those other guns? The Crossbow is just one pull and you're ready. If it was one pump, and they shot as far and as accurate as a well modded Crossbow, I could see how people would prefer them over Crossbows. Anything with an airtank just looks silly to me, personally... That Crossbow's got style.

*cough* maxshot *cough*

Short, I'll see if I can find it, but I KNOW I've seen them around.. give me a minute.

here's the airsoft version of paintballs, and I'm sure you could adapt nerf guns to use them. I'm pretty sure there are bigger ones though.. I just gotta find them somewhere...

AHA! I found it! I think... .40 calibur paintballs here, at the bottom of the page.

~ompa

Okay, Maxshot then. Guess it's just a matter of personal taste when it comes to the Crossbow now. I prefer spring guns over pumps. We really don't play games that require being able to shoot 100+ feet at a target anyway. Mostly close quarters and tactical.

It's ok man, just cry it out... We're here for you.

(By here for you I mean we're sitting here laughing our asses off.)
Ok I'm done.

Wait, no I'm not. I agree with Shortshit, the priming time is really not that bad. Just learn to pump fast. If anyone takes that the wrong way, you deserve to have a hot brand shoved up your ass.

~ompa

The hell? You think I'm crying about it? I could care less what gun you like the most. There's enough decent guns out there now so that everyone can have a favorite. If they work, they work. It's not going to make you a better player. A n00b with a maxshot is still a n00b. But getting back to the original discussion, some people prefer Crossbows over other guns and they're willing to pay more for one, since Crossbows already have a reputation for being good guns.

If you're playing a tactial game and you need to lay down a supressive fire so that your other teammates can flank, pumping is a waste of time. 3-4 pumps versus one plunger pull does make a difference when you're trying to cover someone. I don't know. Maybe you all play more "deathmatch" one-on-one style games.

Not you, Hunter.

QUOTE
Only modding for 6 months


When I say nerfing, I mean modding.

QUOTE
Thirst, I'm not a cocky n00b, so bite your forked tongue.


If you take offence to that, what makes you think he didnt. And by saying "bite yours forked toung", you are...

If you hadnt figured it out, I was joking. I even put a dman smiley after it. And said "Its all in good fun". You really gotta chill man.

THIRST

That was regarding hunter.

Eh, and if you're looking for support fire, Why not just use a PC, WF, or RF20? They spray enough darts.

~ompa

reload time. I used to play with Wildfires but they're not very accurate. If you can put a dart just above the guy's head, or where it would be if he wasn't hiding, you can keep him down just as easily as with a constant full auto spray, without having to stop, put 30 more darts in, pump 20 times, and continue.

Maybe, but if you just spend a bit of time you could probably find the same plastic gun within 50 miles of you for probably 1/4 the price.

~ompa

That's why you gotta sell custom or rare pieces that people CAN'T find elswhere. Selling Nite Finders won't get you anywhere, but selling Crossbows, Powerclips, or high demand, custom, or rare guns is where the money was. Lock n Loads aren't really worth as much now that the Tech Target and Nite Finder are out. On a good day, you can find someone to pay $100+ for a crossbow and $50+ for a Powerclip. It's just a matter of watching and waiting for the supply to run low and the demand to rise.

even with lubrication...

heh, In my own... personal.. studies, I've found that anything can work with enough lube... ;-) You should probably try using more lube... yeah...



edit: sorry I had to do it lol

ask Necrotech Inc. when he 's on next time, he knows more about the mechanics and engineering behind the airflow and seals Enough for the two of us to fabricate our own gaskets and o-rings.

He's been Nerfing longer? Really? I've never seen or heard of him. I've been Nerfing for 7 years. Only modding for 6 months, though. And, Thirst, I'm not a cocky n00b, so bite your forked tongue.

PS. Katachi, what the hell is with this quoting stuff? I DONT EAT BABIES! 

Awwww no baby eaters in the forum. Ah well, more for me then.

Yeah hopefully when these new guns come out, and IF they're halfway decent, we'll see more people modding guns. Personally, I want to take that 6 shot semi auto and put all the barrels closer together. And hack that shell up and take off all the unnecessary stuff.

If they really are being sold in a set only, there will probably be a market for selling the guns seperately, especially if they were modded and painted proper. Unfortunately, there's no new Crossbow so those will have to be custom built.

Shortshit: believe it. There are tons of rich kids, or gamers desparate to get attention from having the best gun. Yeah it's just a plastic toy gun, but some people have money to throw around. You'd be suprised at what people would pay $100-400 for...

i like monkeys. put a dart in it's mouth, then slap it in the ass real hard. 200 ft MINIMUM!

talk about spankin yer monkey, yo.

anyone have any feelings about the supermaxx 1000? i have one i'm gonna try and do some stuff with, just curious what's been done.

nerf guns are an odd market. as katachi mentioned, i've sold crossbows for over $100 stock. same for vortex firestorms. it all depends on who the customer is. hell, i sold a 3 shot secret shot for $40!

anyway, i'll agree that my crossbow price is rather steep. mainly cause it took so damn long to make. i lost blood to that gun (and failed a class). i'll probably just hang onto it as a conversation piece that leaves welts. the game i made it for is sort of an assasin type of thing, both nerf and melee weapons. we had a lot of whiney people playing who would even yell "ouch" over a ten foot hit from a stock secret shot.

i'm lookin at the night site right now, and thinking it's got WAY too much stuff on it. if i end up messin with it, i'll post some pics.

yeah, i've been modding for a little while, but my designs tend to be a bit rough. i've seen some much prettier work on this forum. bottom line, it's the skill, not the time.

Hey! I used a Monkey Spank gun! They don't call me Monkey Spankerelli for nothing!

Hm... you know, you could probably route that second keyring trigger to be in the trigger guard, I did it and it works great.



Other than that, great job. I love the plunger, it must be so damn durable. Mine came broken, which really pissed me off.


Yes, those Thai noodles were good.

~ompa

hmmm... are you any good with fiberglas?

Cuz what I would do is, I'd cut some sheets of the cloth, flip the gun over, spray it with mold release, and make a fiberglas U shaped plate that goes over the pump, and maybe 1-2 inches up on the gun. Let it dry, pop it off, paint it, and SCREW it on. That way, you can still take the gun apart if you need to. But that's fiberglas work. Messy stuff. >_< But it would be much lighter than a big ol gob of bondo and probably look better.

Something else to consider, people:

Necrotech and Oopmas guns are actually TWO guns. So you might pay 70 bucks for a good crossbow and 40 bucks for a good Supermaxx 1500, that's already $110 right there, not inluding paying for all the work that went into putting the two together. $150 is a STEAL!

But hey, it's all strategy and theory talk anyway, right? You find out what works on the battlefield!

I suppose... but I still think looking to friends works great, unless of course you're in college or are an adult. However, in high school is a prime time to look for nerf guns from friends. You can get so many deals since almost none of them nerf anymore.

~ompa

Yeah most of the people we play with and sell to are in college. Nerf's legal on campus. Paintball isnt . The people we play with are probably 17-24.

Know what would look even better on it? SPLATTERED ZOMBIE BLOOD! MUHAHAHAHAHA! Or some spikes or bolts on the stock for krakkin skulls... >

Wait, wait. No. It's missing rubberbands. those are pretty. And electrical tape.

$150? You nutcase.
Can you say cocky n00b?  I also eat babies.

$150 is low for an X-bow. He's sold probably 3 or 4 STOCK for over 100. He's had offers from people last fall for more than $150.

Oompa, your X-bow looks great! But why did you put the pump for the 2nd gun on the bottom, instead of on the top? Planning on sticking something else there?

And as far as the bondo, take the gun shell apart and bondo each half separately. Then sand and trim the thwo halves to make them fit back together. This way, you can still open the gun if you need to. Otherwise, it would be impossible to open again if you've partially filled in the seam.

*Sigh* you were talking about how hunter should stop taking things so personally, so I told him to go cry it out.

Oh, and for covering fire, isn't the purpose of that just to allow someone to get where they need to get to? And those thing spray out bullets for a few seconds, which should be ample time to get the person where they need to get to. If you use another gun, the person you're trying to cover is more likely to get hit since the opposing team member can take pot shots in between the seconds you take to reload your gun, while as if you're using a wf/rf20/pc they can't.

~ompa

I guess if you want to do it that way. But here's how we play without full auto weapons:

4 man tactical team, two people lay down suppressive fire long enough for the other two to flank. Then those two suppress the target while the first two move. It's quick, it's fast, and it's efficient.

Now with full autos, all the enemy needs to do is wait for the "braaaap" and then silence, since you're reloading. That gives them enough time to pop out and fire out a couple rounds. If you've got two people putting a dart at their head every 1-3 seconds, they don't know when you're out, and they don't have time to jump out, find you, and fire.

And Shortshit, you're right, the crossbow isn't the best gun for suppression. I wasn't refering to the crossbow, I was talking about spring vs pump guns in general. You need something you can load and cock fast.

Hey, I dont eat babies! They're too fatty! I need something with more MEAT! Raaaahh!

Sorry, Necro. I didn't mean it as a flame. Just a joke. I find it funny that your new here and your trying to sell that for over $150. Maybe it's not that funny... whatever. Just, sorry.

And, yes, the n00b joke often doesn't apply anymore. Since 3dBBQ came.. well... don't call him a n00b. Same with Katachi, here. The guy is bloody brilliant, look at his website. ......foam katana.....

Yeah we like to judge poeple by their work, not by how many posts they have Some of us have known about the websites and read the stuff on them for years, but haven't posted. There's some crazy stuff being made by people here. In fact, someone just e-mailed me plans for a home made pump gun with a solenoid that has to be the cleanest design I've ever seen. I'm not a big fan of guns you have to pump. To me, more than 3 pumps is too much work, unless it's for something that fires more than one dart like a Powerclip or Wildfire.

Great place to find guns.

Lock n Loads: 50 cents.... TWICE!

Crossbow: a buck

Hmmm.. those were the best. Usually I go to the Goodwills in the city and have gotten 4 or 5 powerclips for under 4 dollars, Lock n Load for a couple bucks, tons of super maxx guns for a couple bucks... Secret Shots for a couple bucks... Goodwill is awesome. Except it's pretty dry now. That's why we're switching to making them. So we don't have to rely on the supply so much.

Shoot. Missed it. How did it go? We're in madison and platteville, btw

Which one is it modded?

Yes.

Which one is it modded?

Yes.

Yes??

FOUR PEOPLE give you decent replies to your question and you quote ME??? Goofball.

Maybe you wanted a reply from someone who speaks your language :

Yea i thnk the supermax 1500 is the furthest shooting does anyone else want to comment its cool.

Heh. Sorry. Okay, back on topic....

Do modded supersoakers even count? I could mod one of those garage type air compressors to fire a dart like a mile into the air, but I wouldn't call it a nerf mod. I'd call it a Seagull Spanker.

Yes, it's a first shot.

No, it's not all that great.

If you don't have a decent spring pistol it's not too bad though. I consider the NF, LnL, TTG, and SSII to be superior.

Yeah seriously. By the time you pay shipping, you're looking at close to 10 dollars. And that's assuming that it doesn't sell for 10 or more if someone else bids. Toys R Us has plenty of good guns in stock now for that kind of money.

Katachi, make a resin ring! Holy shit would that thing hurt...

~ompa

we've already looked into making urethane, silicone, or even >_< hard resin rings. There's problems with them and how they fly... I don't remember what.... but I do remember that they're made out of a memory rubber so they always keep their shape. Ask Necrotech Inc. about it.

How do see that as being a haiku? This is a Haiku.

This is George the horse
George does not have any legs
He lost them in Nam

Besides that, I think 3D is talking about the plastic piece where the rubber rings sit before being fired.

EDIT: I don't know the demensions myself.

Either way, it was poetic. Screw legless horses. Is there really a piece on the vortex guns that needs to be replaced? I could probably make them.

I do not know its size
I want to know, because I must manufacture
the thing which is connected with it

Sweet! A Vortex haiku! My turn:

Vortex rings are hard manufacture
special rubber is used mostly
for stretching and not stretching

okay, seriously, what piece are you trying to make?

It's purty.
Seriously, awesome job with the light. Quite a good paint job, too. I suggest you enter this Paint Job contest.
2 AA maglite, Vintage. Come on, we aren't comparing to to... say... mine, now are we?
Good write up. Nerf has really got me into tinkering, but this is the first time I've tinkered with electronics. Pretty sweet job, Katachi.
Hunter

bah. I don't have the right supplies for painting here. It's okay, and it's only half done I had paints left over from a different project and thought I'd play with them. I was really more concerened with the bondo and the LED on this gun.

I don't know about registering at that other forum tho. They seem less mature about things over there. Here, the people have seem to have their shit together better. Why aren't we having our own paint contest over here? Prizes could be... a kick in the junk, several ketchup packets from various fast food places, a picture of the winner getting kicked in the junk....


HERE:
http://az123.com/dar...shots_&_lux.htm
http://www.dansdata.com/raven.htm

This might help with figuring out which is brighter. However, LEDs are more durable and would hold up better in a nerf gun than the kind of bulb in a mini mag.

Sounds neat. How bright is it compared to...oh...say a 2 AA maglight? And where did you find the superbright LEDs? I assume you had to buy in bulk and that's why you got 10,000, but I am wondering if someone sells them retail.

~Vintage

Hell if I know. I haven't had a mini mag in a long time. Someone should compare the two sometime. 10k mcd LEDs are really freakin bright. I use one with a couple AA batteries for a flashlight. LEDs run FOREVER on batteries.

The LEDs I bought factory direct from Hong Kong off of an Ebay store. About 80 cents each after shipping.

Here's pics of my NF with the bondo applied and the first couple coats of drybrush silver painted on. I want it to look REAL worn. the shell is a very dark gunmetal.





still needs some touch up painting...

Okay, so I picked one of these up at Toys R Us today to mess with, since I got my shipment of 10000 millicandela white LEDs last week and like finding stuff to put them in. It's bright. VERY bright. If you don't know how bright LEDs get, take a look at those pedestrian crossing lights at interesections or some of the tail lights on semis. Police cars use them too, and one police chief I talked to said you can see them from over a mile away! Of course, their light bars have lenses to make the brigter. But the Night Site does too!

I took the LED circuit board out of the NS. The LED itself isn't too bad, and if you can't get a hold of ultra brights, take those resistors out. All they're really there for is to take some of the voltage and heat off of the LED, which makes it dimmer. Some people say you need at least a 300 ohm resistor with LEDs or they burn out, but I've never had it happen. The current's the same since they're in series with the LED so it's not like there's going to be to much of a current draw since it would be the same with or without the resistors. Most LEDs max out and go into saturation at 3.4v or higher, so if you're only using two AA or AAA (1.5v each), you're only getting 3v so you still don't need to worry about keeping a resistor...

So now you can just desolder or cut that board off and solder the LED on. Just remember which lead's positive or you will have to put the batteries in backwards!

Now you'll notice that the original red LED had a black housing on it that kept it in place.

Way in the back also. This made it so that a concentrated beam of light hit the lens and stayed small, as opposed to putting it right up close and shining a cone of light on it, which gives you more light. I cut a bic pen to the length of that light tube and put the LED at the front. Then I jammed the pen and LED in the tube and pushed it up so that the LED was like 1/4 inch away from the lens. This way, it puts out a nice wide beam.

So ummm.... that's basically it. Reassemble it like it used to be and now you have a bright flashlight instead of a wimpy red dot! I'll have pics as soon as the bondo on my gun dries!

Go back and study up on Abraham Lincoln. Abolishing slavery in the South was punishment to the southern states. THE NORTH WAS NOT INITIALLY INCLUDED!

Mmmmm.. I think the gas stations here carry Slorange Slushees here in the summer. Only available for a limited time.

yeah, it does look photo shopped. Not even photo shopped well.

Are you sure it's not photoshopped well? I bet you couldn't do that well with Photoshop and a gun.

I wasn't sure i needed a Katana any time soon, so i closed your site a while ago.

Well, i can mould shit [plastic and all the extra's] to my gun through some textiles people at my dad's school. Don't you just love having a parent as a teacher?

Bleh. Shit is stinky. Or you could get some resin, some clay, and some silicone. Sclupt out what you want the body of your gun to look like over the guts. Make your molds, and cast your shell in a durable resin. That's what I'm planning to do. The resin shells I made of the FFX-2 Tiny Bee guns fit PERFECTLY over Tech Target guts!

If you made replicas of the assault rifles marines use in StarCraft, thats would be freaking sweet!

Bleh. If I did, I'd probably only make one. Not much demand for Starcraft props.

Is it just me, or does that NF look altered in Photoshop???

The front of the gun doesnt look like that, it seems obviously stretched out for some reason. Plus that black swirl where the NERF symbol was is very suspicious.
Im hopeing this was meant to be a photomanip, just would be nice to have it mentioned in the original post.

EDIT: also the slit on the side seems blurry towrds the back where the symbol should be. And the lighting doesnt match up...

That's from sanding. Don't you sand? Gunk smears when you sand.

Can any of you get your hands on plastic melts and moulds?

It would be great, like my shotgun concept, if you could square it off and have it looking uber sexy.

And guys, i don't mean avoid the issue of going back to basics, but i'm not adding useless bulky items like ammo holders, im just trying to make it look sleek.


N.B. I saw the link of the picture. Something tells me you havn't built it yet ...

http://webpages.charter.net/katachi/hotlink/thing i need to make.jpg

Plastic and molds for what? Like making shells for guns? Like making molds for making shells for guns? Do we know anyone who does that? Do people read my sig?

Well their isnt Jizz in my name, just an exmaple of how its pronounced. NinjZ was a robot ninja from an old cartoon.

It looks awkward because its kinda skinny I guess you could say. Like it seems like he was going for a LnL-esque look. The LnL has a bit wider front half, makeing it look fuller. Get what im saying? It still looks nice though.

The LNL had a more square look too it, like a semi auto handgun. Are you saying "square it up"? A nerf blaster stripped to the bare essentials would look like this, rounded and smoothed out like the pic. Does it look skinny because it's missing ultra super exciting barrel attachents and functions?

I am well aware that I suck at photoshop but If I am going to try to convince people that I made this awesome gun (which it is if it's real) I would try to make it as real looking as posible.  The back just looks blurry to me.  And if you were just showing what you wished it looked like, then nice job.  I like.  Happy, Katachi?

Edit:  Well I didn't read the rest of the thread before I posted this.  Photoshop, Ninjz called it.  Knowing that, nice work.

Oh yeah, I'm pretty happy right now:



I got four Tiny Bees puttied and almost ready to paint



And I got these Cestus knuckle weapons from Naruto that someone suggested I make. Still need to put an edge on the blade and paint them, but they're only FOUR OUNCES of resin each! Cheap and easy to make! Crazy Nartuo fans...

And hopefully this week I can still stuff some Tech Target guts into a Tiny Bee shell. It's amazing how well it fits. Can't wait

Necrotech Inc. Is gonna work on his ultraslim Nite Finder tomorrow. And hopefully he'll have pics soon. And I might have to work on an idea I had a while ago for a Powerclip if I have time.

huh. well, i could see adding a mount for a modular attachment system. flashlight, laser site, second gun, ammo holder...just for a few ideas.

Yeah like a laser sight or flashlight or dart holder? LIKE THE ONES YOU CUT OFF???

Might be after StarCraft Ghost come sout. I had antoher idea too after seeing the aliens v predator trailor again. Makeing the claw that predators have would be awsome. Mabey make it extend and contract too.

I don't touch US copyright props. FOX especially. They go after people who copy their stuff. Lucasarts, FOX, and DC are companies that are VERY possessive about their designs and artwork and will shut down anyone they can find who's reproducing props or costumes that they own the rights to.

If its meant to be a manip I have no problem with it. It is a decent manip. Just a few things that caught my eye ( Im a photography major ).

Photography is fun! I love Photoshop and Illustrator! NinjZ! Your turn! Show us what you can do with a gun and photoshop!

Actually... now that I think about it *checks first post* Nope. It never said it was a real gun Concept art is much better than hacking and guessing.

For the record my name is pronounced "Nin-jizz".

Only thing I suggest for the model, is to mabey add some kind of filler to the bottom where the light used to be. Seems kinda awkward to me, but thats my opinion, good work.

Katachi, Im not a digital photographer so Im not that great with photoshop. I can a little though, check out my deviantart page in my sig. Film will always be superior to digital cameras.

Are you sure you want Jizz in your name? That sounds kinda.... messy

Fill the bottom how? The point was to take stuff off that wasn't needed. Awkward how? Like off balance? Lacking the fish detailing of that one fish shaped gun with the spines?