They put to pockets on pants for a reason. One for you cell phone, one for you music/media player. And for some, they ahve to buy a friggin' mini PC just so that they can call themselves the shit and others just plane shit. I dislike iPod and Apple for my reasons picky as they can be. The latest one though, because the older ones are now fixed, is that they want to sell as many video iPods as they can. So they jack the rpice of a little shitty 1 gig player up to 80~100 bucks and have a 30 gig player at what, 250? Clearly you see the better deal, and if you don't buy iPod as soon as you hear i, then you see my point. My other problem is also where they release updated version after updated version where they could have just sat back and gotten it right the first time. Look at Zune, nothing wrong with it yet.
They have just been that prep side to media players to me. The first media player I ever owned from a Rio. And I still have it. First iPod I ever touched it froze up on me.
You do realize how much smaller the shuffle is, right? It's called miniaturization. Not just of the HDD, but of all the other circuits.
Plus, 250 isn't that great a price for a 30GB player either.
I completely disregard size. It seems you do as well with your pocketPC there RAMBO. And apparently you don't mind shelling out 600 bucks for something that holds as much as maybe a 60 gig would so that you can have the video format that only DVDs have. I'd like to know how you even get the DVD video format on your device. If memory serves me correct, both Microsoft Zune and iPod don't allow that kind of converting from a DVD to a player. You would have to either pay for that like iTunes or illegally download it somehow. And both of those ways of acheiving a certain video format in wrong in my book. I utterly hate paying for media service and it's just too hard to try and get around copyrights and illegal downloading if you ask me.
As for the shuffle, I have seen smaller, or at least as small as, in a player at k-mart that holds 4 times as much and even plays videos on it's little screen for a meer 40 bucks. Might not say iPod or Apple on it, but I would get it as a gift still.
ANYWHO- I still have questions about the iPhone that I just haven't taken the time to read up on. Especially something iPod. So what video and audio formats is it going to support? Anything new? And what other smaller features will it have like external memory ports? The last thing I am wondering is how easy it is to sync with your PC. I know how long it took me to get my KRZR sinced properly. And note to self, don't go with the off brand memory card. So my question breaks down to, will this require more software? The last thing I want to have to do when I buy a new phone is have to spend more money for software just to use one of it's main features.
I do not want this to turn into an argument and am going to do my best to be as little agressive as possible.
I'd just like to make a quick comparison here.
Smartphones such as Treo run Windows Mobile, while iPhones run OSX. Now, I'm not going to say which I prefer, or that one is better. However, I have heard cases of people running OSX on Treos. I highly doubt it will be possible to load Windows Mobile onto an iPhone. Anyway, that said, most smartphones are capable to do everything the iPhone can. Some require extra software, but open source is available for a good bit of it. While I know of no smartphones that have an 8GB capacity, they're also $200+ cheaper than the iPhone and they take SD cards. Last time I checked you could find 4GB SD cards for <$50. Get two, and you've got more capacity(with a tiny bit of hassle, sure).
What am I getting at? All I'm saying is my Archos is more justifiable than this iPhone. How, you ask? I've already give you an example of how you can get a better phone(it might not be as sleek, but it's more durable and has a real keyboard) for less money. Again, getting OSX on would be a hassle, but I'm actually liking Windows Mobile more than I thought I would. My Archos on the other hand is only rivaled by the Wolverine ESP player which has a 120GB capacity plus card support. It looks ugly as shit though, and does not have all the same features, and the price wasn't drastically different.
If I may make the assumption that you are referring to my Archos, I'll continue. It cost me $500. Which is pretty much reasonable seeing as it is the highest capacity player on the market. I don't HAVE to use VOB format. I can use mp4 just as the iPod can. If I want, I can have all the movies on my PC and transfer them as I need them. However, I usually only put them on for long trips, I really have no use for video any other time.
Regarding DVD encryption and transfers. As I know it, it is illegal to make a copy of a movie onto another median(such as a DVD to a PC). There are programs out there that allow you to do so though. Here's my POV - I can do this with music so long as I don't distribute it, why the fuck can't I do it for a movie? I own it, I'm using it, where's the problem?
Microsoft and Apple have little say in what you are legally allowed to do. The DMCA has it's rules and Apple and Microsoft cannot say that they're not going to follow them. They can be stricter, yes, but I'm not aware of their rules specifically.
It really is not that hard to get around DVD encryptions though.
Also, don't be so quick to jump the gun on those K-Mart players. As I've said in other posts, encoding rates can be drastically different depending on what quality music you want. K-Mart could be advertising X number of songs on a bit rate that is 1/4 of what Apple advertises. I'm not saying it's necessarily the case, but it very well could be. Also, as much as I hate to say it, the Shuffle is probably much more durable than the K-Mart player.
I apologize if my ramblings seem incoherent.
The iPhone is way too expensive. I don't think it will sell much because of that. It's like the PS3, I don't know that many people who have because of the high cost. I mean, for $600, you could get an Archos 604 (or even 704) WiFi and still get a Razr. I'll admit, I kinda hate Apple, but it still a bad product. Imagine having to press on your screen to call a phone number.
I see where you're coming from but have to disagree on a couple points.
Sure, for that price you could do what you say, but the Archos 704 isn't exactly portable. Yeah, it's portable in the sense that you can take it with you, but if you have pockets that can fit it you belong in the circus.
Another point one could argue is that the Razr just doesn't have the features an iPhone does.
Edited by RAMBO, 15 June 2007 - 12:49 PM.