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[Forsaken angel24]

Hey Badger, Check your pms.

EDIT:: I trust you. Just getting your attention.

Edited by Forsaken_angel24, 01 June 2008 - 09:40 PM.

[ice]

So, when you say the weights on a dart must be completely covered, do you mean by foam, or is hot glue allowed? Also, thank you for writing the article. Being that I haven't yet attended a war, it gives me a bit better idea of what to except when i do get the chance to be present in one.

[Lynx]

The weights on the dart must be covered by hot glue.

The foam 'blank' is slightly burned into creating a place for the weight to rest. After, that you cover the weight in hot glue by making a dome. The hot glue keeps the weight secured, makes it so you don't get shot with a bb with a foam sabot, and and improves aerodynamics.

[laxtk88]

On the topic of blocking darts, where does a foam Buzzbee sword stand? I have heard of OMC using one, but heard that anything other than a Manta Ray counts a hit.

[keef]

That was a joke.

And so was your question I hope.

Just use shields, swords, Daedric armor. Whatever, play with what sounds most fun.

Edited by keef, 02 June 2008 - 02:32 PM.

[Galaxy613]

That is a very special rule which you would have to ask the organizer if you can envoke the rule. But I don't suggest actually suggesting it.

[Kuhlschrank]

On the topic of blocking darts, where does a foam Buzzbee sword stand? I have heard of OMC using one, but heard that anything other than a Manta Ray counts a hit.

The only time that I've seen someone block shots with that sword is when the situation was clearly set up, and the shooter was trying to get him to block it. I have not seen it work in a actual war. I'm sure if someone DID manage to block it, no one would be averse to not counting the hit.




Unrelated Question: Wasn't this topic intended more as a guide for a person's conduct at a war, rather than how a war is run?

[Split]

I have a question/comment about something that happened at Apoc. It was me and Fenixharth round one as the only survivors of our team, and we were staring down about 6-7 people. He had his Chimera and I had a LS Carbine, so we balanced pretty well between range and ROF. We were in the far back part of the park, basically the furthest point from the staging area all the way through the woods, in that clearing by the road.

So there we were, and there was pretty heavy traffic along the road, as well as a few pedestrians walking along the sidewalk next to the road. So, naturally, Fenix asked the guys on the other team not to go over there as we can't shoot that way so we don't hit cars and/or bystanders. They agreed and we stayed away from that way as well. But soon after they just rushed us from that side, which ended up taking both of us out, mainly because we couldn't shoot that way (esp. the chimera). Their justification was something along the lines of that the traffic had died down and the cars wouldn't even notice if they got hit. This of course sparked an argument about dents and scratches in the cars and a flying, metal weighted piece of foam hitting a windshield moving 50 mph.

I just want to know where this stands on conduct? We obviously didn't feel that we were free to shoot in that direction.

[badger]

On the topic of blocking darts, where does a foam Buzzbee sword stand? I have heard of OMC using one, but heard that anything other than a Manta Ray counts a hit.

The only time that I've seen someone block shots with that sword is when the situation was clearly set up, and the shooter was trying to get him to block it. I have not seen it work in a actual war. I'm sure if someone DID manage to block it, no one would be averse to not counting the hit.

OMC has done it successfully, and not with an obviously setup scenario, using a Buzzbee Sword.

Unrelated Question: Wasn't this topic intended more as a guide for a person's conduct at a war, rather than how a war is run?

It was, then some people started asking specific rules questions about whether some things would be allowed. It has actually helped with the growth of this topic. In the end, this topic has leaned towards members asking questions about the semantics of different situations. It is annoying when they try to find a loophole in a hole to exploit though.

I have a question/comment about something that happened at Apoc. It was me and Fenixharth round one as the only survivors of our team, and we were staring down about 6-7 people. He had his Chimera and I had a LS Carbine, so we balanced pretty well between range and ROF. We were in the far back part of the park, basically the furthest point from the staging area all the way through the woods, in that clearing by the road.

So there we were, and there was pretty heavy traffic along the road, as well as a few pedestrians walking along the sidewalk next to the road. So, naturally, Fenix asked the guys on the other team not to go over there as we can't shoot that way so we don't hit cars and/or bystanders. They agreed and we stayed away from that way as well. But soon after they just rushed us from that side, which ended up taking both of us out, mainly because we couldn't shoot that way (esp. the chimera). Their justification was something along the lines of that the traffic had died down and the cars wouldn't even notice if they got hit. This of course sparked an argument about dents and scratches in the cars and a flying, metal weighted piece of foam hitting a windshield moving 50 mph.

I just want to know where this stands on conduct? We obviously didn't feel that we were free to shoot in that direction.

I feel that in this type of situation, play during the round should have been suspended and everyone should have retreated to another location away from all of these elements, preferably a clearing to eliminate giving any additional advantages to any one specific group. Both groups should then have spaced themselves apart far enough so that the chances of dodging were equal and the range of a blaster would be moot as all the blasters in play would have a chance of hitting their mark barring bad darts or bad aim, so let's say 40 feet.

Everyone was told at Apoc to avoid the walkways, so a road should have been avoided s well. The 5-person team took an opportunity to pin you down, but in the process took away your ability to defend yourselves or retreat. Pinning you in a dead-end eliminates your escape routes, but stills gives you the option to fight back. What they did was, in my opinion, unfair as you could not get away or fight back.

Also, a car would most certainly know they were hit. Ever drive in a car and have something bounce into your panels while at speed? The sound resonates through the frame of the car and sounds alot worse than it might be. If I was driving along, saw some kids shooting things at each other then heard something hit my car, I would stop, approach the shooters, and raise hell. It was a surefire way, if a dart did hit a car, to end Apoc as well as any other war from being hosted at Deal Park ever again.

[infidel]

Sorry if im necroing this but since this is stickied i thought "what the hell." I just have to say something about the tapping part. You said that if someones gun isn't cocked or loaded it doesn't count as a hit. Well just as an example people in a war in real life usually carry knives. So i am saying that in real life they would knife the person that they are "tapping" so i think that even if the persons gun isn't loaded or cocked that it should still count as a hit because the person would have knifed. For a perfect example of this is in Call of Duty 4 were people can knife instead of shoot at close range or as a sneaky kill.

infidel

[One Man Clan]

i thought "what the hell."

in real life

Couple of things.
1) Fix your awful grammar
2) That kind of "thinking" is a good way to get on the shitlist
3) The "in real life" thing is the real problem. Call of Duty 4 IS NOT real life. The tap rule is not about acting as a knife or a bayonet. It is an attempt to score a hot as well as not intentionally hurt the person 2 feet away from you. It's more of a "don't be a dick" rule than anything.
4) If you bring a knife to a gun fight, real or nerf, expect to lose.

[infidel]

Ok, im sorry if I offended anyone I was just stating an opinion that is all.

[Langley]

Most of these sorts of rules have been made for practicality, not realism. For example, even if it's only your clothes or you gun that gets hit, you still take the hit. Obviously this is less 'realistic', but it makes it much easier to settle disputes over dart hits: If you caused the dart to stop, it counts. If the dart kept going past you, it doesn't count as a hit.

Like OMC said, the purpose of the tap rule isn't to simulate an attack with a knife or a bayonet, it's a way to spare your opponent from getting a nasty welt, and save yourself the risk of an embarrassing missed shot from really close range. The one-dart-one-tap rule is just there to keep you from being able to tap a whole bunch of people at once, because that's sort of considered a dick move, and it allows some pretty questionable strategies. So it's a game balancing rule that has nothing to do with realism.

The problem with your post is that 1.) it sounds like you've never been to a nerf war, so you haven't really got grounds for complaint, and 2.) none of this has anything to do with Nerf War Etiquette.

[nerf mafia]

A quick question on shield rules one buzzbee makes foam shields if you put gun internals on it hat worked could you use it in wars and count like a manta ray? Also spygear recently came out with a new wrist mounting disc gun that clearly shows a kid using it as a shield and says something about it deing used as one to go with the pic, so even though it is a disc gun can it count like a manta ray, also it is big enough shell wise to integrate stuff making it usefull war wise.

[badger]

A quick question on shield rules one buzzbee makes foam shields if you put gun internals on it hat worked could you use it in wars and count like a manta ray? Also spygear recently came out with a new wrist mounting disc gun that clearly shows a kid using it as a shield and says something about it deing used as one to go with the pic, so even though it is a disc gun can it count like a manta ray, also it is big enough shell wise to integrate stuff making it usefull war wise.

Pure and simple since this question keeps coming up...if it wasn't originally a Nerf blaster with an integrated shield, it would not be allowed at any major event. The buzzbee foam shield isn't Nerf. The foam swords have only been allowed for comedic value, not as a serious weapon for use in every round. As for the spygear, I'm not so sure. I will say this though, no shield is going to ever truly protect you. I took Death out in one round at a war and he is, by far, the msot well known nerfer for using a shield. He uses a stock manta that he has never fired, yet I took him out, evading his shield head-on all three hits.

In the three years I have been playing, I have seen only two people using shields, so just work on your skills with a blaster and stop looking for another shield option.

Now can this topic finally get back on the topic of etiquette? Shield rule loopholes and other rules concerning what can or can't be used at a war aren't etiquette. Tactics and scenario questions are ,as are rules concerning types of gameplay and how they work.

[Foamfoot]

What happens if you team kill?

[silentsnipe]

What happens if you team kill?

Either your out, or you get shot in the face by THEM.

[Blacksunshine]

A quick question on shield rules one buzzbee makes foam shields if you put gun internals on it hat worked could you use it in wars and count like a manta ray? Also spygear recently came out with a new wrist mounting disc gun that clearly shows a kid using it as a shield and says something about it deing used as one to go with the pic, so even though it is a disc gun can it count like a manta ray, also it is big enough shell wise to integrate stuff making it usefull war wise.

Tho my hosted wars aren't considered "major" by any stretch, I do allow shield integrations and separate shields. The way I see it is if you can block a dart with a shield then its a block. I feel it adds an extra dimension to the game. I see no reason this feature should be specific to the Manta. If the aspect of the gun is designed specifically as a shield then it is a shield.


But It is going to be up to the host of whatever war you take your gun to if its shield abilities count as a block or a hit. So I would say check with the host. If they post a thread add it to discussion and see if it is possible.
But as Badger stated most of the larger wars aren't down with the shields unless its a Manta.

[boom]

Blacksunshine do you realy host wars in washington I mihgt be able to atend one or two.

[Langley]

Where do you draw the line?

[Blacksunshine]

Where do you draw the line?

Generally my guideline is about 1'x1'. Roughly.

[ilzot]

I'm still pretty far from attending my first war, but this is a great guide.

I'm a total n00b to this sport, so this'll ensure that I don't go to my first war, act like a complete dick, and trash my Nerfing reputation for good.

[Strange-1]

I'm really glad you wrote this article. My boyfriend and I recently started a Nerf Fight Club and we have been debating on good rules for the battles. This will be very helpful. Lovely article.

Edited by Strange-1, 25 April 2009 - 01:05 AM.

[Forgottenboomer]

Very well written Badger. Simple yet thorough.

[Wasp]

Do full-head helmets (such as a paintball helmet) count as body armour?