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[Ryan201821]

Finally got my PS3 after waiting a couple days out in front of Best Buy.

It was worth it. I bought the $600 version. However, I'm not even going to open it. I'm going to sell it. Have you seen how much they sell for on eBay? Thousands! I'll wait and get the PS3 when it comes down a couple hundred.

It's pretty much a scam, but parents will do anything for their kids to get them what they want.

Edit: Grammar

Edited by Ryan201821, 17 November 2006 - 09:07 AM.

[Megamannt92]

You are kidding me right? The Playstation 3 is going to blow Nintendo Wii Away. Just socom 3 will do the trick. Also for playstation 3 you do not have to pay an online fee.

The wii's internet service is free, all you have to do is connect with your current internet provider.
I can't see as if most of you will be able to get the Ps3 this year...They are only releasing 400,000 of em' in the USA.

Nintendo was smart, they are releasing 4,000,000 Wiis. Yes Playstation may look cooler but believe me it really cheaply made like all of Sony other systems...The Wii is for the normal class, and the Ps3 is for rich people.

All the a ps3 is:

A really fanzy box,
In the box is:
Is a Hard drive, A Blu ray- thingie, slapped together around a piece of cardboard, with a Playstaion 3 writen with a sharpie.

[Carbon]

I'll end up with a Wii, definitely. I'm all about innovative gameplay, and the Wiimote (ugh) has me interested. Backwards compatibility with the Cube, plus being able to play any Nintendo console ever made with online abilities is just icing on the cake. I sat out the last round of game consoles, so this'll be a great way to jump back in.

[mavninja]

I'm going to get a PS3 if it kills me. The console itself is more powerful than the other 2, the Blu-Ray player (even though it is going to flop as a media resource. HD-DVD will be dominant) is incredibly cool, and I am basically an all out Sony fan. The only reason I haven't been camping out is because I dont have 500 bucks right now.

So, my list for want to buy:
PS3
Wii
360 (Ive already got one. Its like a tiny god)

What I'm going to end up having this year
360

Why:
Because I'm a sony whore

[Commonly Hunted]

A really fanzy box,
In the box is:
Is a Hard drive, A Blu ray- thingie, slapped together around a piece of cardboard, with a Playstaion 3 writen with a sharpie.

It's funny you should say that. My friend, my brothers, and I went to our Best Buy with a camera to interview the idiot PS3 fans. My friend had on a pair of the new 3D glasses (lenses punch out so he could see in the dark) from the Nightmare Before Christmas 3D and Jamaican dreadlocks hat. He also drew a mustache on his face with a sharpie to look like Geraldo.

I was cameraman and my little brother dressed in a box with PS 3 written on it in paint.

We wrote the funny things about the PS 3 that were said at E3 on the sides of the little box that went around his head(Giant enemy crab based on real Japanese History!, 599.99 US Dollars!, Riiiidge Racerrrrr!!) and insults, too (Kaz Hirai, the PS 3 PR, sucks, and Actual Size!) .

When we asked questions we were gonna make fun of the PS 3 fans for saying how great they thought it was. But my friend got scared because there was about 20 people, all of them about twenty, and there was no way we could take them all on if they decided to attack.

We only got a chance to ask the first guy in line questions. We're going to edit the video and then post it on Youtube. I'll post it on here along with some pics of my friend and the PS 3 costume my brother wore (it also had a huge dollar sign on the front) when we finish.

Edited by Commonly Hunted, 17 November 2006 - 03:27 PM.

[Jin Kazama]

I'm probably a little biast against Sony as a whole because I never have had much succsess with thier products, but personally I think the PS3 is going to be the way the original Xbox should of been. It has few really exciting games, EVERYTHING about it is overpriced, and the graphics aren't that much better that it's worth getting. (in case you don't know what I mean by the Xbox thing, the Xbox probably wouldn't even be in existence if it weren't for Halo)

I like the Wii, but mainly because it has all sequel titles like Zelda, Megaman, Mario, Metroid Prime, etc. I am not crazy about the controller by any means.

I have a 360 and it's great. My only complaint is that there really aren't that many good games. (at least in my opinion) The delay on Halo 3 is one of the biggest bummers of my life. \:

[Capt Crunch2319]

What about Gears of war,
that is such a great game and Halo wars is coming out on the fall 07 list.

[Commonly Hunted]

Halo wars is a game? I saw a preview for it one time on Youtube and thought it was a preview for another movie because he it looked like it could've been. Oh well.

[Capt Crunch2319]

Ya, its for the 360
its a RTS, but you can switch to First-person when you battle

[Omega]

Wii. Period.

I love my PC, but it often craps out on me. I will still play PC games, but I am absolutely salivating over the Wii. Low price, innovation, AWESOME third-party support and internal support, Super Smash Bros, CoDIII, Red Steel, Trauma Center... 'Nuff said.


I greatly prefer the 360 over PS3. It just seems a lot better. Same graphics, about same power, more-populated online, better games. I hate Sony; I've never had luck with them and they shut down Lik-sang. I'm fine with Microsoft, but Nintendo has always been good to me.

[deathwolf]

There is only one reason to even think about getting a PS3.

MGS4

Only highlight on an overpriced console by ubbercorp sony.

I'm probably just going to stay with my PC. Dual cores is amazing.

[Shadow 92]

Sounds like not alot of you know much about the PS3. It comes with a 60 GB harddrive (which is more than the 360), a built in Blu-Ray DVD player, a sweet new controller, is backwards compatible with prevoius playstations, and is incredibly sleek and stylish. Having a built in Blu-Ray DVD player and being $600 makes it $400 cheaper than a regular Blu-Ray DVD player. All of the games will be on Blu-Ray format too so you're getting high definition graphics (better than the 360 or the Wii). The only problem is most televisions aren't good enough to view the PS3 at it's full potential. It'll still look alot better on your tv than your PS2 though. The picture posted showed the old, PS2 controller. The new ones that come with the $600 package are winged shape, semi-motion sensitive, and have heat sensitive buttons. With it being backwards compatible, you can play all the fun, older games like Gran Turismo, Ratchet and Clank, and Jak. And about it's size, it's really about the same size as the second version of the PS2, just rounded out.

Conclusion, I'm getting the X-Box 360 soley because of it's lower price (Christmas sales + Microsoft lowering their prices for competition right now) and because I'm addicted to Halo from the two four hour gaming sessions I had last week. The PS3 is a way better value but there just isn't a game out for it that I want. The 360 fits my situation, but go for PS3 if your looking for a sweet deal on a high def. DVD player and your hooked on a game right non or one that's coming out. I'm definately not getting the Wii, it can't compete with the 360's or PS3's graphics. Sure, it looks fun to play, but not fun enough to buy. So I'm for sure getting the 360, sometime getting the PS3 and not getting the Wii.

And sorry to put down Uncle Hammer's dreams of a universal gaming system, but it just won't happen. One company would have to buy out the majority of the other's stocks and Nintendo, Microsoft and Sony are just too big for that to happen. In the unlikliness that it did happen though it would suck for us. Less competitoin means less pressure to make better products and higher prices. Just look at what happened when Lanard came out, we got the Longshot and the LBB.

Just for the reccord all that info on the PS3 was from a non-hardcore gamer. I'm pretty mild. Just ask some of the gamers that camped out about the PS3, you could write a whole book.

[Sir Nathaniel]

There has been a long (and quite ridiculous) debate going on throughout this past year concerning the power of the xbox 360 vs. the power of the ps3. Why has this debate been absolutely ridiculous? Because the truly more powerful system has already been confirmed, but not publicly. Much of this may be very hard to understand if you’re not a tech-geek, so don’t say I didn’t warn you.


According to IBM’s white pages, the cell processor being used in the ps3 is considerably less powerful than what it has been hyped up to be.
Sony officially revealed the PS3 and for the first time at E3 2005, and claimed that their Cell processor would be capable of 200 GFLOPS.
One may wonder how they got that figure?  IBM's own white pages:
http://www-128.ibm.c...?ca=drs-#table4
As seen from the link (in Figure 5) the Cell has a theoretical peak of 201 GFLOP’s– running 8 SPE’s at 25.12 GFLOP’s apiece (Table 2). This is where Sony gets their 200 GFLOP figure from.

When physically tested however, only 155.5 GFLOP’s were actually achieved (see Table 4) with a total efficiency rate of 75.9%.
Because of manufacturing yield issues, the PS3 will only use 7 SPE’s with the theoretical peak for the PS3’s Cell processor being reduced to 176 GFLOP’s, each running at 25.12 GFLOP’s. Utilizing the same 75.9% efficiency, it is easily interpolated that the PS3’s Cell CPU will only be capable of 133.6 GFLOP’s.

The Xbox 360 has 3 general-purpose 2-threaded CPU's, which generates a proven 115.2 GFLOP’s which is dramatically easier for developers to utilize. By now it should be pathetically obvious that sony is no where near as far ahead as they try to lead you to think (keep in mind they claimed that the ps2 was more powerful than the original xbox, but were proven wrong publicly, since the xbox was indeed twice as powerful). The ps3 will, once you have taken into account thetotal amount of resources that will be used by their respective operating systems, end up with less CPU power available for graphical and physics processing than the 360.


http://ps3.qj.net/In...pg/49/aid/21047
According to the (unbiased) site above, the PS3 will also constantly reserve 1 SPE** for running its operating system. Now that there is actually one less SPE reserved for gaming purposes, it is definite that the ps3’s cell will only be capable of 114.4 GFLOP’s for the purpose of game processing.

**SPE’s are floating point processors, they are also called DSP’s, and SPU’s. These floating point processors are NOT to be confused with cores, cores have far more prediction and calculation braches than floating point processors. As stated earlier, the 360 has 3 cores, each running at 3.2GHz, with 2 threads each. The cell also runs at 3.2GHz, but is the one and only core that the ps3 has.

Back to subject:
The 360’s operating system on the other hand uses only 3% of its CPU time on Cores 1 and 2, while Core 0 is free altogether, this means that the 360 has more processing power available for in-game graphics and physics. Now, the GPU (Graphics Processing unit). The 360’s Xenos GPU is also slightly more powerful for running current graphics engines and, in terms of complying with Windows Graphic Foundation 2.0 (compatible with future versions of Direct X, shader models, etc.) is a full-generation ahead of the RSX. "One of the key ideas behind a unified architecture is to move the GPU from a rendering only processor to a complete compute processor. Right now all the GPU does is render 3D and displays it on your screen (yes it does more like 2D, video etc... but for the point of this article we are talking about 3D). With a unified architecture the GPU becomes more. It becomes a processor that can do almost anything that needs code processed. This means the GPU can take on more functions like physics, AI, animation and many other processes that can benefit the gaming experience. DirectX 10 and a unified GPU architecture helps a video card become an all-in-one Swiss army knife of game processing. Those are the ideas at least, how it all works out is up to the game content developers"
(http://enthusiast.ha...W50aHVzaWFzdA==). According to this article, the unified memory of the 360 and the unified shaders, developers have the ability to use the vector processing power of the GPU, which is a big plus as it allows the developer to use the shaders when they need extra processing power.

Sony could be in a lot of trouble considering the ps3 is much more expensive than its superior rival that is using long proven technology, while the ps3 is using technology that still has yet to be proven, and has been giving sony one problem after another, causing the launch delays.

The 360’s Xenos GPU is slightly more powerful for running current graphics engines and, in terms of complying with Windows Graphic Foundation 2.0 (compatible with future versions of Direct X, shader models, etc.) is a full-generation ahead of the RSX. "One of the key ideas behind a unified architecture is to move the GPU from a rendering only processor to a complete compute processor. Right now all the GPU does is render 3D and displays it on your screen (yes it does more like 2D, video etc... but for the point of this article we are talking about 3D). With a unified architecture the GPU becomes more. It becomes a processor that can do almost anything that needs code processed. This means the GPU can take on more functions like physics, AI, animation and many other processes that can benefit the gaming experience. DirectX 10 and a unified GPU architecture helps a video card become an all-in-one Swiss army knife of game processing. Those are the ideas at least, how it all works out is up to the game content developers"

"However, using Sony's claim <***>, 7 dot products per cycle * 3.2 GHz = 22.4 billion dot products per second for the CPU. That leaves 51 - 22.4 = 28.6 billion dot products per second that are left over for the GPU. That leaves 28.6 billion dot products per second / 550 MHz = 52 GPU ALU ops per clock.
www.xbox360.ign.com/articles/617/617951p1.html

*** Note, this is using sony's claim against them...

It is important to note that if the RSX ALUs are similar to the GeForce 6800 ALUs then they work on vector4s, while the Xbox 360 GPU ALUs work on vector5s. The total programmable GPU floating point performance for the PS3 would be 52 ALU ops * 4 floats per op *2 (madd) * 550 MHz = 228.8GFLOPS which is less than the Xbox 360's 48 ALU ops * 5 floats per op * 2 (madd) * 500 MHz= 240 GFLOPS."

Note, this calculation was made before the downgrade of the ps3's GPU from 550MHz to 500MHz, so redo the equation:
PS3 would be 52 ALU ops * 4 floats per op *2 (madd) * (updated speed-->)500 MHz = 208.0GFLOPS which is less than the Xbox 360's 48 ALU ops * 5 floats per op * 2 (madd) * 500 MHz= 240 GFLOPS.

ps3 GPU went down from 228.8 GFLOPS to 208.0 GFLOPS
360 GPU has remained at 240.0 GFLOPS

I could be wrong, but isn't 240.0 GFLOPS higher than 228.8 GFLOPS? And isn't 208.0 GFLOPS lower than 228.8 GFLOPS???

My Sources:
xbox 360 proven superior to the ps3 through a detailed analysis based on how the systems work, and not only numbers that could very well mean absolutely nothing significant to gaming, (Sony NEVER counterattacked this like they did the downgrade rumours, which is saying a lot): www.xbox360.ign.com/articles/617/617951p1.html

RSX Downgrade: dpad.gotfrag.com/portal/forums/thread/237189/

IBM’s own white papers on the cell structure: www-128.ibm.com/developerworks/power/library/pacellperf/?ca=drs-#table4

Edited by Sir Nathaniel, 17 November 2006 - 07:54 PM.

[Rambo]

I would have to go with the PC because if I didn't have my comp I wouldn't be able to play World of Warcraft. If I couldn't play World of Warcraft then I wouldn't have a life.

I sincerely hope this is a joke.

Capt. Crunch2319][/b]What about Gears of war, that is such a great game

True, but insanely short.

What about Gears of war,
that is such a great game and Halo wars is coming out on the fall 07 list.

Sounds like not alot of you know much about the PS3. It comes with a 60 GB harddrive (which is more than the 360)[Next 360 premium wave = 80GB HDD], a built in Blu-Ray DVD player[Overpriced disks that only have a bigger size, so what?], a sweet new controller, is backwards compatible with prevoius playstations[As opposed to Microsoft's non-backwards compatible? All but what 2 good games aren't?], and is incredibly sleek and stylish. Having a built in Blu-Ray DVD player and being $600 makes it $400 cheaper than a regular Blu-Ray DVD player. All of the games will be on Blu-Ray format too so you're getting high definition graphics (better than the 360 or the Wii)[Now they're saying that games will be mostly 60$, 10$ more than any 360 game, and I will bet that after a couple months, we'll see games that are 80$+].
The new ones that come with the $600 package are winged shape, semi-motion sensitive, and have heat sensitive buttons[BOOMERANGS FTW!].
With it being backwards compatible, you can play all the fun, older games like Gran Turismo[Need for Speed>Gran Turismo].
Just look at what happened when Lanard came out, we got the Longshot and the LBB[I could be wrong, but I think that the LBB was one of Landard's later guns, and it came out long before the LS].

Sorry to pick your post apart, just didn't agree with a few things.

Oh, and one more thing



Edit: Sir Nathaniel, you sir, are amazing.

Edited by RAMBO, 17 November 2006 - 08:04 PM.

[Sir Nathaniel]

Further Evidence...

http://www.wii60.com...?image=1848.png

This was also for your enjoyment, RAMBO, hope you like it...

Peace dude!

Edited by Sir Nathaniel, 17 November 2006 - 08:32 PM.

[Megamannt92]

It's funny you should say that. My friend, my brothers, and I went to our Best Buy with a camera to interview the idiot PS3 fans. My friend had on a pair of the new 3D glasses (lenses punch out so he could see in the dark) from the Nightmare Before Christmas 3D and Jamaican dreadlocks hat. He also drew a mustache on his face with a sharpie to look like Geraldo.

I was cameraman and my little brother dressed in a box with PS 3 written on it in paint.

We wrote the funny things about the PS 3 that were said at E3 on the sides of the little box that went around his head(Giant enemy crab based on real Japanese History!, 599.99 US Dollars!, Riiiidge Racerrrrr!!) and insults, too (Kaz Hirai, the PS 3 PR, sucks, and Actual Size!) .

When we asked questions we were gonna make fun of the PS 3 fans for saying how great they thought it was. But my friend got scared because there was about 20 people, all of them about twenty, and there was no way we could take them all on if they decided to attack.

We only got a chance to ask the first guy in line questions. We're going to edit the video and then post it on Youtube. I'll post it on here along with some pics of my friend and the PS 3 costume my brother wore (it also had a huge dollar sign on the front) when we finish.

Funny. I want to see the vid when your done!

[Pineapple]

Where's the "none" option?


Anything that causes seemingly intelliigent people to start behaving like wild animals doesn't get any shred of approval from me. Video game consoles are overhyped to the point of people disconnecting themselves from reality to be the "first" to get one.

Then again, video games are designed to disconnect people from reality anyway.


I'm looking to purchase a PlayStation. As in PS 1. No one out fighting for those.


Thank God the few games my kids enjoy are all PC games.



-Piney-

[Commonly Hunted]

Sir Nathaniel and RAMBO said most of the things I would've said to Shadow92 but I still have something:

Sony changed their boomerang controllers (Thank God!) but they're now the same as the PS 2's and are awkward to hold because they are too lightweight for some reason. The controllers are six-axis sensitive like the Wii's (proves that Sony likes to be a copy-cat). The PS 3 is the same size as the ORIGINAL PS2. EVERYTHING about the PS 3 is overpriced. Half of the PS 2's games do NOT work on PS 3 like Guitar Hero 1 and 2. Sir Nathaniel already said the 360's graphics are better. And the PS 3 is NOT a far greater value because it is less power for twice the price with no good games.

Just for the reccord all that info on the PS3 was from a non-hardcore gamer. I'm pretty mild. Just ask some of the gamers that camped out about the PS3, you could write a whole book.

And don't try to defend any kind of game when you're not a hardcore gamer because you won't know what you're talking about.


Megamannt92, we'll probably work on the video next weekend.

Pineapple, I don't mean to put down Nerf or you but you say that you don't respect anything that makes smart people act like animals. What do you think we are doing? We can be smart when designing and building working guns but then we shoot each other while frantically picking up ammo and screaming and laughing at each other. I think that makes us seem more like animals, too.

[Megamannt92]

I seriously do not think that Spiderman font and a black case give the Playstation 3 a leading edge. The Wii looks like something Apple would make, simple, clean, and white. The Playstation 3 might have been cool if it didn't come with a $500 price tag. After all this hype, I still want an XBOX 360 over the PS3. I have respect for the Wii, but don't plan on getting one.

The Wii comes in four colors too. see:

Where's the "none" option?


Anything that causes seemingly intelliigent people to start behaving like wild animals doesn't get any shred of approval from me. Video game consoles are overhyped to the point of people disconnecting themselves from reality to be the "first" to get one.

Then again, video games are designed to disconnect people from reality anyway.


I'm looking to purchase a PlayStation. As in PS 1. No one out fighting for those.


Thank God the few games my kids enjoy are all PC games.

Good for you piney...I love Ps1..Lots of games i still play on it. Ps3s will be in the same rank as Ps1s in 10 years.. hehe. Someone Just got shot in line for PS3. I think that this propaganda is hurting Sony rather than helping them.

However, your comment on having people act like animals when playing games is true...
Games are suposed to fun not annoying...Mind you i don't act like a animal when I play..

People with hot heads should NOT play Games!

Edited by Megamannt92, 18 November 2006 - 03:47 PM.

[Sir Nathaniel]

Commonly Hunted, and RAMBO, good to see more well-informed gamers that actually know the truth behind the ps3 and 360...

[Lancaster]

Did you know that it costs sony about $860 to make each PS3? Not to mention shipping and maintenance. Just goes to show how overpriced games are.

[Commonly Hunted]

In Japan, Sony still hasn't sold out yet and their supply was limited there, too. They've only made about $75,000 in Japan (and is a million dollars in debt because of the expensive blu-ray technology) and there is some guy in Japan that somehow got a hold of 100 PS 3s and is going sell all of them. After he does that he'll be real close to what Sony made or he'll make far more than them because of idiots who are buying them for at least twice the price.

[AssassinNF]

PS1 > Everything of its generation

PS2 > Xbox > Gamecube (Xbox controllers = shit, Gamecube just wasn't very good.)

If it weren't for Halo, Xbox would have died a long time ago, and the 360 would never even be made. That's why Halo gets so much money in Royalties from Microsoft, because it's solely responsible for the survival of the Xbox.

For handhelds, DS > PSP. Nintendo owns the handheld market, and the PSP is just too complicated and easy to break. UMD's are not good for handhelds, cause they scratch and break, even with those UMD protectors.

As for the next gen consoles, I'm going to wait until the retards, rumors, rants, and retarded prices subside before I decide which one I'll get. I just plain hate Xbox, so I'll wait for the PS3 price to go down, then I'll get a PS3. If the PS3 just ends up being a pile of shit, I'll get the Wii instead. I probably won't even consider the 360.

Either way, all the new consoles can kiss my ass until I get a new PC. That's my top priority. After that, I'll stick with my PC and PS2 until the PS3 price goes down, then I'll get it. I don't give a shit if the 360 will have better graphics, because the PS3 will have better games. Unless Microsoft comes up with something other than Halo (and they didn't even create Halo), Sony will still have better games.

[elf avec gun]

Interesting fact is that in the last generation (Xbox ps2 and game cube) over all ps2 controlled almost 70% of gaming market.

I think that the Sony is trying to out do all the other systems in every way with the PS3. The whole "look at us we made an 'innovative' new motion sensitive controller!" It almost seems like Nintendo's motion sensitive controller idea... that they came up with over a year ago...

I am currently broke, but Even if I wasn't you wouldn't see me going and blowing 500 + dollars on something like this.

Another fact: Microsoft's hi def DVD player for the Xbox 360 is going to be over $200!!! Does anyone else think that this is insane to spend money on something like this? I have a $60 DVD player and I have never found the graphics to be bad at all in fact they are great.

Fact: foot balls (American, and rest of the world-ian) and other sport balls can all be found for under $20.

Here's another Fact: 40,000 children die every day from Malnutrition, Starvation, or Hunger-related diseases.

Through the church I belong to, there is a program call Kids Against Hunger. Volunteers take Rice, Soy, dried veggies and some flavoring and mix it together. It is shipped to 3rd world countries and other impoverished areas where it is mixed with water and then cooked. It turns into a kind of gruel/soup stuff that actually tastes pretty good. Each serving costs about 23 cents. And the really sad part is that most of the starving people's stomachs have shrunken down so much that they can barely eat half of a serving.

Now lets make some calculations here shall we:

Cost of an X-box 360= $400 + cost of games (most are gunna be around $70-$80) + extra controllers ($50) + Xbox live membership + Hi-Def DVD player ($200) + remote for the DVD player ($20) = a hell of a lot of filled tummies

PS3 = $600 + money for games extra controllers ... you get the general picture.

So before you go out and spend several hundred dollars on something that you really dont need, please consider this think about it.

Edited by elf_avec_gun, 21 November 2006 - 01:33 AM.

[Rambo]

First - Megaman - Methinks there are 5 colors, not 4. Unless gray is the same as white?
Did it occur to you that since they still say Revolution that they might not actually come out in 5 colors? I am not saying one way or the other, but there have been so many changes, I'm not sure to trust anything that they say.

Interesting fact is that in the last generation (Xbox ps2 and game cube) over all ps2 controlled almost 70% of gaming market. [I am almost 100% sure that you are incorrect. Possibly 70% of the console gaming market, but there is no way that they domintated the ENTIRE gaming market.]

Another fact: Microsoft's hi def DVD player for the Xbox 360 is going to be over $200!!! Does anyone else think that this is insane to spend money on something like this? I have a $60 DVD player and I have never found the graphics to be bad at all in fact they are great. [The 360 premium has a built in hi-def DVD player to the best of my knowledge.]

Fact: foot balls (American, and rest of the world-ian) and other sport balls can all be found for under $20. [So, what are you saying, that anyone who owns a next-gen system is a fat ass? I may not be skinny, but I'm sure as hell not lazy, I find time to be active and play games.]

Here's another Fact: 40,000 children die every day from Malnutrition, Starvation, or Hunger-related diseases. [And I'm sure you give your $20 to Greenpeace or whomever every year? I take time out of my life to build for Habitat for Humanity, and I'm sure other gamers perform community service. Sure, not all of them, but I'm really not sure what you're saying here; just because we spend 500$ on a vid game sys means we don't donate to people to save lives? I gave to Tsunami survivors, Katrina suvivors. I will not however donate to food for starving kids. I donate once and awhile to science to find cures for diseases plauging Africa and the rest of the world, but if I save one kid, 39,999 could still die, so what's the point.]

Now lets make some calculations here shall we:

Cost of an X-box 360= $400 + cost of games (most are gunna be around $70-$80)[Are gunna? Future tense? You mean, they're not out yet? I'm pretty sure I've bought quite a few 360 games, none of them over 50 bucks] + extra controllers ($50) + Xbox live membership + Hi-Def DVD player ($200) + remote for the DVD player ($20) = a hell of a lot of filled tummies[Again, what's to say that I didn't donate an equal amount to disease research? Please don't think that all gamers are lazy, fat, inconsiderate blobs.

So why don't you all get off your gluttonous self-centered asses and do something to help someone for once![Just unnecessary]

I'm sorry to pick apart another post, but I felt it necessary.


Sir Nathaniel, another 10 points for you!