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#51 murakumo32

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Posted 12 July 2006 - 01:26 PM

Hmmm...possible BBB ranges...clip fed...other cool feature... B)

I can't get over how much space is just empty in the front. What could a nerfer integrate into this thing to make it better? :huh: I'm thinking AT2K, but you may already have pretty nice ranges. It has a pretty good ROF I would imagine. I may have to get a Magstrike and slap it on the Longshot... :ph34r:
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Posted 12 July 2006 - 01:37 PM

I figured out how it works.

Take a look at this:

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That is where the cocking handle goes through. That large plastic piece, I do believe, is what is moved by the cockcing handle. It makes sense, since the cocking motion has to somehow cock the plunger, AND do something to advance darts in the clip, and that large piece of plastic appears to be placed around the right parts of the gun to be doing just that.

Next, take a look at that big chunk of dead space:
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It has a purpose. And I think it is where the plunger goes. No inverted plunger here (like on the mav.) I do believe this is a straightforward comes-out-the-back-end deal.

Notice the round-ish thing sticking out the back of the plunger casing. I can't make acny gurantees, but I think that it is the ass of the lovely plunger that you all have been looking for. Note how perefectly it appears to be sized for that big chunk of dead space:
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And note what that thing (circled in yellow) appears to look like.

Yep. It's the plunger catch mechanism, and it's sitting at the back end of that big empty space, where presumably the plunger goes when cocked.

And hey! Lookee here! What's right underneath this so-called catch mechanism?

Oh yeeaahhh....that's the TRIGGER!

Don't want to burst anybody's 100'+ hopes, but looking that that space that the plunger moves into, its not any longer than the cocking slider's range of motion. So my bet is ranges in the 80's, 90 at best. But you never know.

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Another little addition:
Notice the dark shadowy line near the front end of the plunger casing? That would be the sealing edge of the plunger head showing through the plastic.
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Also note the piece I circled. It is the piece (or right next to the piece) that locks the plunger back. Which would explain all the plastic trigger system pieces that are above the plunger casing. The plunger cannot and WILL not move all the way to the back of the plunger because there needs to be room behind the plunger head for the spring to compress in.

Now note the distances shown below. The distance from the sealing edge of the plunger head to just behind the catch piece (where it would lock into place when cocked) happens to be (approximately; nothing's exact in MS paint) pretty much identical to the distance from the back end of the plunger to the extent of the space it is given in the stock to move. Both of which tend to agree with the range of motion of the cocking slider.
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When the gun is cocked, the blue plastic piece that goes up and over the barrel by the clip space, is positioned IN FRONT of where the clip goes. It has enough room to pull that entire orange piece back with it. Which I believe is directly linked to the plunger. Which is then how the plunger is moved.
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When this piece is move back, it opens up a hole (coincidentally, a space the length of the cocking slider, the distance from plunger head to catch, and the length of the space which the plunger moves into) that allows the spring in the clip to push a dart up into it. The dart is then conveniently sitting out in the open, waiting for that same piece to move back over it. Because the dart is a sitting duck out in the open atop the clip, like this:
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And by the way...the curved pieces of plastic atop the clip alongside the dart appear to be a perfect fit around that moving piece of barrel I just described.

Hope this sheds some light on the subject.

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Posted 12 July 2006 - 02:35 PM

Damn! Excellent job explaining that.
80', with a clip is flippin' awesome, I'd take that anyday.
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Posted 12 July 2006 - 02:42 PM

Check my previous post. I figured out the clip system, how the dart advances, and how the plunger is moved too. Updated with pics.
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Posted 12 July 2006 - 03:03 PM

Falcon... wow, just simply wow.

Okay, so we can pretty much rule out the 100's ranges, but BaconBow ranges still look possible of the longshot part. Good to know.

Have we gotten any info about the additional pistol attachmet?
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Posted 12 July 2006 - 03:37 PM

Ok so I know that this isnt about the Longshot. It is about the Magstrike, i was on hasbro.com and they dont have it up for sale yet! I found this kinda funny. Sorry to get off topic. Great find Hammer! I'll shut up now.
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Posted 12 July 2006 - 03:39 PM

I'd love to get some info on that little pistol on the front too. It looks like it might have some potential.


And Flacon: did we really need an explanation? I mean, it's simple enough to just look at it. It's not real hard to figure out now that we have internal shots. Before we knew the internals, it was all speculation, but now that we have pictures, it's not really mysterious or anything unrecognizable.

It was a good explanation though. Just not sure we needed it.





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Posted 12 July 2006 - 03:51 PM

Well since people are wondering about the used length of the plunger among other things, I though it best to just lay out what I was seeing. More so on the HQ than here, where people really had no idea. But you know, not everyone is so "intuitive" as yourself...
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Posted 12 July 2006 - 04:21 PM

Thanks, Falcon, for that detailed and Microsoft Paint'd walkthrough of the latest in plastic artillery. It was very easily understood and well thought out.

All you did was help the community, hats off for the effort!

Just one question though: does anyone figure that the detaching the pistol will change the performance of the main blaster at all?
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Posted 12 July 2006 - 04:25 PM

Well kids, I've got my plan! I needa see the whole bolt detail right in front of my eyes. I'll work around the bolt action aspect of the gun and insert a 2k tank at the front where the dead space is. It all looks good, I'll have to see the gun in front of my eyes until I can actually decide if it's possible.
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Excuse the crudeness of the drawings, the tank will sit higher above the cocking mech. It all looks to make sense now. The plunger is unnessecary as is all that extra stuff on the trigger. The catch, the long rod to disengage the catch. I think it can be done.

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Posted 12 July 2006 - 06:07 PM

Uncle Hammer:

Only problem with that set-up is that now you have to use the charging handle to advance the darts, but you also have to pump as a seperate action. If you left it as a springer, it'd prime and advance a dart at the same time.


That's a good idea though, if it turns out to not have a very upgradable air output. However, if I were ver to do that, I'd probably do it as a last resort because something broke.




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Posted 13 July 2006 - 12:25 AM

I'd think it would be better to place a AT2K in the empty space on the front of the gun (complete with clip too B) ) since it seems that there is enough room to put in a barrel that won't protrude from the actual gun.

Underside nerf grenade launcher anyone?

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Posted 13 July 2006 - 12:02 PM

Has anyone thought of volley-firing a Longshot?
see this http://www.theboxotr.../docs/edu17.htm
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Posted 13 July 2006 - 02:12 PM

It's basically how I shoot my K98...I switched the bolt around for my left hand to do the action while holding the gun up with the right hand and trigger finger still ready. I got a monster deal of 15 bucks (plus 5% tax while visiting my Dad in Maryland at a store called the Bay Trading Post. It was a bandalire of 14 stripper clips WITH ammo in them and all. It's not hard to find 8mm ammo around here. There is a gun store that sells it by the crate full. That gun is one of the most comfortable guns I have ever shot. And the Karbiner 98 was made that way for left handed people to be able to use a gun universilly. I can see that as well in the sawtooth and not the longshot with the bolt being on both sides.

The longshot is deffinately highly moddable if you ask me. The plunger looks sturdy and good for launching ammo out of some brass. The only thing I think you would have to do though, is flare the brass out for a smoother transition from clip to barrel. We need more pictures of the clip mech and how it works with the barrel. I think that more in depth pics would be great right now,but like ninlz said, I will wait for ompa to get his hands on one first.

My opinion of the range of this gun, is that if a Crossbow can get great ranged with the plunger being somewhat short, then this gun can get decent ranges with the sacrafice of some range from the clip. It looks awesome though.
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Posted 13 July 2006 - 02:23 PM

Nobody's singular opinion should be worth a ton, unless it agrees with a large sum of other people who have the same opinion. Everybody mods things differently, and everybody has different darts, so no one opinion is going to represent an accurate picture. Just wait until a bunch of people pick them up, and see what people have to say in general about it.

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Posted 13 July 2006 - 03:03 PM

Or you could try something new and form your own opinion when you buy the gun yourself. What other people think of it shouldn't matter.

Im going to get this gun no matter what people say about it. I'm intrigued by the design and I want to try my hand at modding it. Even if I only get 40' range with it, that's good enough for me, though I can probably get 60', looking at that plunger.

That trigger does worry me, though,that thin piece leading to the plunger catch seems like it would break very easily. Hopefully the grooves in the case support it enough for it to hold. There are alot of other pieces in that pic that look like they will break easily, but we'll have to see how that works out.

Also, I can't see why people are wanting it to get 100' ranges when all you really need in a war is 60'.


Has anyone found these for sale on Walmart.com, Amazon, Ebay, or anywhere else?
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Posted 13 July 2006 - 03:27 PM

Hey does anyone work for target, tru, or walmart or know someone who does? Cuz you could ask your manager when the store is allowed to release them. the stores most likely already have them but hasbro isnt letting them release them until a certain date and the store that the guy over at NHQ bought it from didnt get the memo or something.
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Posted 13 July 2006 - 03:47 PM

He bought it at a comic book store. I used to work for one, and they don't give two shits about release dates, especially for items that aren't time sensiitive. If Nerf guns had a specific release date, like CDs and DVDs do, they would be available nationwide when they finally came out, instead of the west coast waiting a couple of months after the east coast to see them in stores. He just got lucky that he found someone that got his hands on a case of them before they really started to get rolled out, though he got diddled on the price. The store charged him $50 for it, when it is has a MSRP (Manufacturer Suggested Retail Price) of $29.99.

I'll wait for them to come out at the correct price.
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Posted 14 July 2006 - 12:08 AM

In all honesty though, I gotta give the guy props for still getting the thing even though the price was jacked. This has been the most activity I've seen from both main nerf boards in a while, and it's productive! (Mostly) I said on NHQ that I can't wait for this thing and I've been checking Wal-mart for the last two weeks to see if even the magstrikes came in yet.


About the longshot:
The thing looks like the freakin' pulse rifles from Aliens if you leave the front gun off. I'm sold right there.

The guy reports that after sealing a hole he found on the barrel, the LS now shoots at about 35-40 ft. A modded FF (ARs out) in his office shoots farther than that... but this is with the stock darts he says are pretty light. Also the dart may be a little loose in the barrel. As for the pistol, ammo feels pretty loose but he says it functions like a NF but no internals yet. I have a feeling Falcon's stefans may make the best sense to use here since tagger ammo is of sturdier foam (at least sturdier than the FBR I've been able to find).


Assassin:
I've been calling wal-mart and Toys R Us, neither has either gun on their sales floor yet and it is not on TRU's website (including the MS). Checked on-line sources like mysimon, overstock, amazon and no luck. Wal-mart's website has the only listing of magstrike I could find as of today. Target didn't have anything except a sale on existing Nerf stuff, and... I think that's it. I did call meijer today though and the guy said in a couple of weeks they'll be getting their Christmas(!) stuff and the new merch for the holidays (like the LS and MS) should come in too, so sit tight. I am going to try calling Hasbro Friday and try to finagle a more exact date. Hopefully I'll have something more to report.
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Posted 14 July 2006 - 12:34 AM

I wonder if the barrel could be a potential problem...

If the barrel loosely fits around the darts, then when the gun is fired, the dart will create a backdraft causing it to slow.

Can somebody make sense of this? I'm not too sure if I'm right.
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Posted 14 July 2006 - 06:12 AM

How loose is the barrel supposed to be for the stock darts? Like converted micros in 9/16" brass, or like converted micros in Sch. 80 PVC? Because that's effectivley what these new darts are; the same kind of stefans Flacon and I make.

And murakumo32; what do you mean by backdraft? I believe the definition of it is a sweep of air backwards. So if you could explain what you meant, that might help. But I don't think that the barrel being loose would cause air to somehow move backwards...

But this news of barrels being loose might be in our favor! It's possible to nest 17/32" brass in the turret of a DTG, and that barrel isn't loose for stock darts. That means we might be able to nest brass in this gun without a lot of problems.




And by the 'barrel' is loose, is he refering to the part that the round sits in while it's chambered, or is he referring to the stupid 'extended' barrel over the pistol?






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Posted 14 July 2006 - 09:38 AM

If it's too loose the air ends up traveling past the sides of the dart, meaning a.) less air in back to push the dart and b.) more air in front for the dart to go through.

I may be completely wrong though, but that's what I always thought.

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Posted 14 July 2006 - 10:45 AM

...b.) more air in front for the dart to go through...

That's exactly what I meant. Sorry for the misuse of words, I was quite stupid last night.

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Posted 18 July 2006 - 11:46 PM

Is the gun worth getting?
Ammo will be really limited...
...only 12 rounds and your out.(unless you have stefans which I do not.)
And it only has a 40 ft stock range?
A mod bbb with crayola barrel i have has ABOUT 100ft. and can use all ammo other than mega.
I dont know to much about this gun, so here are a few questions.
1.) Can the pistol fire normal darts?
2.) Is this gun going to be sturdy?(( dont want it to break if I accedentally drop it while loading.)
3.) Is there anyway to make the gun fire normal darts?
4.) In your oppinion, what will be the farthest this gun will be able to shoot when it is modded.(Im not talking go xft. then drop, I mean angle it to get really far. Like you were trying to hit a slow moveing person or someone who is loading. Will it be as far as a bbb?)

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Posted 19 July 2006 - 01:21 AM

if the breech works the way i think it does ( The long tube on the plunger pulls back then slides forward pushing the dart into the barrel) then i have my barreling idea all done, i'll actually need it in front of me to check that though
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