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#76 Forsaken angel24

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Posted 10 October 2005 - 12:34 AM

I am extremely impressed with the performance of this pistol.  With stock micros it gets about 70-80 feet.  Thatís with the crayola barrel.  Using stefans gains a little range.  I`ve gotten 90í with a tight Stefan.

Imagine what will happen when you add bands. Bolt you seriously need to add bands and range test. The thought of a small sidearm like that breaking the 100' mark is a whole breakfast combo!

Edited by Forsaken_angel24, 10 October 2005 - 12:36 AM.

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#77 boltsniper

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Posted 10 October 2005 - 12:46 AM

The spring currently in the pistol is a standard power spring. I have oredered a high power spring so we`ll see how much better it does with that. It would be cool to brak a hundred with a pistol. Don`t know if it will happen though.
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#78 NinjZ

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Posted 10 October 2005 - 01:07 AM

You will definately need a better barrel than a crayola to get those ranges though.
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#79 boltsniper

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Posted 10 October 2005 - 10:37 AM

True that. Especially since the newer stock darts and most of the FBR I`ve been getting lately has been thinner than it used to be. The ones I sell will come with CPVC barrels.
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Posted 10 October 2005 - 12:22 PM

You'll needs to give your FAR a little more power first. That pistol is betting your very own FAR!
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Posted 10 October 2005 - 09:33 PM

Hmm could Pteg or brass barrels work for the far or the Cleric?
By the way THAT is a nice looking spring pistol, you've done it again bolt. Are you thinking of adding a sight rail for a scope on top of the gun, I'm just curious.

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#82 Uncle Hammer

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Posted 10 October 2005 - 10:24 PM

Ya this thing out shoots a FAR, but the FAR shoots megas.
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#83 Illadar

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Posted 10 October 2005 - 10:27 PM

And has massively higher ROF I might add.
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Posted 10 October 2005 - 10:30 PM

Ya this thing out shoots a FAR, but the FAR shoots megas.

Yeah I guess.

Megas can shoot just as far as minis though, easy.
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Posted 11 October 2005 - 12:30 AM

Ya this thing out shoots a FAR, but the FAR shoots megas.

Yeah I guess.

Megas can shoot just as far as minis though, easy.

How do you figure? Megas are slightly heavier and more importantly bigger! Which means greater wind resistance. I would choose a micro stefan shooting gun over a mega stefan shooting gun anyday.
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#86 flamebo388

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Posted 11 October 2005 - 12:01 PM

Starbuck/the noid already broke the 100' mark with that spring water pistol, remember? The GNS could easily accept a wide variety of barrels, it's simply a matter of putting a different material in the barrel portion. I'm pretty sure it could break the hundred mark with a new barrel alone, the spring will just be overkill.
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Posted 11 October 2005 - 03:29 PM

Ya this thing out shoots a FAR, but the FAR shoots megas.

Yeah I guess.

Megas can shoot just as far as minis though, easy.

Ack. No.

For a given muzzle velocity, micros beat megas due to cross-sectional area and your friend friction.

For a given air volume, micros have greater muzzle velocity due to smaller barrel volume.
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Posted 11 October 2005 - 04:59 PM

True that.  Especially since the newer stock darts and most of the FBR I`ve been getting lately has been thinner than it used to be.  The ones I sell will come with CPVC barrels.

When you say that does that actually mean that you are going to make some to sell?
If so, what would your price ranges be?

Edited by Ronster, 11 October 2005 - 05:00 PM.

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#89 boltsniper

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Posted 11 October 2005 - 05:20 PM

Yes, I am making 3 more, 2 of which will go on ebay. I plan to start the auction around $20 to recover material cost.

Actually, I never shoot megas from the FAR or the Bolt-action. I typically shoots stock micros with e-tape around the head. Minimizes frictional area and maximimzes range.

I think the reason the pistol shoots farther is because of a much lower plunger mass. The plunger on the FAR is pretty heavy and it's acceleration and speed will take a hit because of that, reducing range. The plunger on the pistol weighs next to nothing and with the same spring will travel much faster in the end.
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#90 murakumo32

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Posted 12 October 2005 - 07:29 PM

Are you going to incorporate the pistol designs into the far? After all it will maximize range. Not to say that you could hit someone from 100' away, but hit someone with a leve shot which I think is easier to aim with than an angled shot.
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Posted 12 October 2005 - 08:51 PM

I made a homemade pistol similar to yours last saturday. It looked like the dart gun used in the first 007 for GameCube. It shot only about 25-30ft. Unfortunately, some of the glue for the handle ran into the trigger and now it doesn't move.

Significant discovery-The o-ring used had a 100% perfect seal with CPVC and 3/4 PVC. This means you can make a Zero valve with CPVC instead of brass. I bought the o-ring at homedepot. Its number is "12" and came in a box of ten. It costed like 1.97$.
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#92 boltsniper

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Posted 12 October 2005 - 09:26 PM

They both basically use the same design. Same spring and plunger design jsut with a longer throw. The pistol performs better because the mass of the plunger is so much less that the FAR's. On top of that there is some leakage that occurs around the shell in the FAR that hurts range. I`m quite happy with the ranges the FAR gets. I have yet to be in a situation where it fell short on range. 70ft is still a long way in Nerf.

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These are going to be slightly different from the prototype. I`ve revised the trigger mechanism a little and these will have CPVC barrels.

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Posted 12 October 2005 - 10:34 PM

Will they be painted?
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#94 boltsniper

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Posted 12 October 2005 - 10:40 PM

Will they be painted?

I think what I am going to do is prime them in gray and post em that way. So the buyer can paint it as they please. I think I will offer to paint it black if the buyer wishes.
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#95 taita cakes

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Posted 13 October 2005 - 02:09 AM

Good idea. If they are in a decent price-range I'd be modding them first, so a paintjob would be useless. Primer would be great because after all that I'd dive into my own paintjob, because you couldn't leave something as sexual as one of your guns in it's "stock" form.
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#96 boltsniper

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Posted 13 October 2005 - 12:08 PM

Just curious, but what would you do to mod it?
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Posted 13 October 2005 - 06:41 PM

You'll have to wait and find out, but it's definitely worthy. :nugget:

If I don't win an auction, or even if I do, I'll post plans anyway.
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Posted 13 October 2005 - 06:43 PM

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How did you glue the little tabs for the screws to go in to hold the bottom part on to the top part of the gun? In my experiance, that little of surface will not hold.

PS: On your FAR rifle, how did you glue the paw that grabs the shell on the extractor to the exractor itself? I've tried about every type of glue but it just won't hold. Did you roughin up the surfaces first? If so, how.
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#99 boltsniper

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Posted 13 October 2005 - 07:18 PM

Superglue. Regular old Cyanoacrylate. I use nothing but superglue for every bonded component on my homemades. It bonds extremely well to PVC. Extremely. I use the stuff made by Loctite. You can pick up a decent sized bottle at Walmart for $3. Roughing the surface helps but if you don`t the bond is still very strong.

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That sounds good. Hopefully you`ll win one so we get to see what it is.
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#100 Uncle Hammer

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Posted 13 October 2005 - 08:50 PM

I'm gonna take a guess on how much these will sell for. My guess is about a good 60 dollars and up.
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