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#51 Ash

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Posted 17 December 2004 - 08:55 PM

ash,

if it turns out that linkin park is short lived,  so  what ....

that really dosent matter. what matters is that linkin park  got credit for blending generes.  of course they didn't invent it, but they are the ones getting credit for it.
this kinda thing has happend before


Who is giving them credit? All the stupid specials I see on VH1 and such credit Aerosmith with Run DMC and Anthrax with Public Enemy as the first to blend the genres (oh, right, and the Red Hot Chili Peppers). I've actually never seen anyone give Linkin Park credit for any such feat.

you think 2 albums and  shitty music makes a difference to whether you get your name in the books ? 


I think that you need more than two albums that sound pretty much identical to be really remembered. There are plenty of bands that you can go back and pull up that pulled similair stunts and 80% of the population today has no idea what the hell you are talking about. I mean, damn, does anyone even remember Sponge, The Screaming Trees, Nada Surf, Candlebox, The Outfield, New Order, etc?

how about a little band called  Flock of Seagulls

or even worse, how about Devo


You missed my point. I'm not questioning their talent or quality of music, I have their first album (before most of you fuckers, I might add) and I listened to it quite a bit... I'm not even calling the music "shitty". Granted, the music is "repetetive" and the band has "run out of ideas" already, but I'm not saying they are "bad" persay. My point is: The band is overrated, and they haven't yet made a Permanent mark.

as for shredding,
take a look at what happend to it  after nirvana.  of course it diddnt die,  but it sure isnt thriving. 
my scope of music isnt limmited,  but  i am however limiting it  to the relm of pop. since that really is the only thing that gets remembered about a time period.  that and whats just under the surface.

the only shredding ive heard thats broken mainstream,  is  brownsound from sum41.

you could argue that kerry king and zack wylde are somewhat mainstream. in that case, i would agree.  but they are still a ways from bieng household names.



Yeah, I'm gonna have to go ahead and argue that Slayer and Ozzy are household names. I'm also gonna have to go and argue that bands such as Pantera and Damageplan were in the mainstream as well, and we all know mr. Darrell Abbott did his fair share of shredding. I might also have to argue that the Black Label Society is in the mainstream as well seen as how it gets so much radio play these days. I also have to point out that in the past 5-8 years there has been a great increase in underground metal bands who are slowly making their way into the mainstream (slowly now) that pride themselves on technical prowess on the guitar and such (such as In Flames, Killswitch Engage, God Forbid, etc.)

I also feel it neccessary to point out albums such as Metallica's the Black Album (Metallica) that still sell many copies everyday; these albums do indeed feature shredding. While they were recorded before Nirvana, they are still on the radio and still selling copies now (post-nirvana). The black album has sold uber-millions of copies, and other albums such as Guns N' Roses Appetite for Destruction which have also been very successful. I'm sorry, but I don't see the decline in shredding.

dont think at all that i oppose shredding,  but i just think its sad that some people spend half of thier life learning how, and now in the year 2004 the only people that
will listen is at the local guitar center.

(speaking of...    where the fuck was i when gibson sued PRS ? why the hell am i learning about this just now???)


I must've completely missed that as well, why in god's name did they sue PRS? I know they sued ESP a while back for using thier designs, but I had no idea about PRS.

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Posted 17 December 2004 - 09:33 PM

Whoa, they sued PRS? This is news to me to. Whatever for, i wonder?....
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Posted 17 December 2004 - 09:57 PM

Nirvana was pretty good in their day. I still listen to them once in a while.

Too bad that many other watered-down bands have taken over mainstream music. Makes me want to never forget the good times of MTV during the early to mid 90's.

MTV, get off the air!

For you guys like me, who enjoy the sub-culture.

I always sort of imagined that the Dead Kennedys were some of the first to mix genres: punk and alternative, although they had some that were pretty clearly defined. Pull My Strings, anyone?
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Posted 17 December 2004 - 10:02 PM

ash,
... I'm also gonna have to go and argue that bands such as Pantera and Damageplan were in the mainstream as well, and we all know mr. Darrell Abbott did his fair share of shredding.
While they were recorded before Nirvana, they are still on the radio and still selling copies now (post-nirvana).  The black album has sold uber-millions of copies, and other albums such as Guns N' Roses Appetite for Destruction which have also been very successful.  I'm sorry, but I don't see the decline in shredding.

Uh... considering Pantera's song The Art Of Shredding, I'd be forced to agree with you :D

I also feel it neccessary to point out albums such as Metallica's the Black Album (Metallica) that still sell many copies everyday; these albums do indeed feature shredding.


Yeah, they do indeed, however, I think that Metallica's Metallica marked the band's end as a metal band and its transformation into the money hogs they are. Its too bad Cliff died... the band wouldn't be who they are now if Burton was around. He really was the heart and soul of Metallica, in my very humble opinion.
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Posted 17 December 2004 - 10:16 PM

ash,

if it turns out that linkin park is short lived, so what ....

that really dosent matter. what matters is that linkin park got credit for blending generes. of course they didn't invent it, but they are the ones getting credit for it.
this kinda thing has happend before

Holy shit, you need some taste. Why on earth would you listen to some shit band when you could spend your time listenening to Hendrix or something? So first you claim that some fucking group of Filter rippoffs made a mark on the world of music, and then you flip around and take some mediocre position on how they're not the greatest, but they sure can blend some hot genres?

The thing is:

Linkin Park adds nothing to the world of music. They never, ever, ever will. You know, in 3 or 4 years, you're going to think back and you'll be like, "Wow, that Chrysophylax boy sure was right. About everything. I think I'm going to go to a few peace rallies and buy a couple Sonic Youth albums! And throw away all my shit Linkin Park CD's."

Remember that.
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Posted 18 December 2004 - 01:14 AM

ash,

if it turns out that linkin park is short lived,  so  what ....

that really dosent matter. what matters is that linkin park  got credit for blending generes.  of course they didn't invent it, but they are the ones getting credit for it.
this kinda thing has happend before

Holy shit, you need some taste. Why on earth would you listen to some shit band when you could spend your time listenening to Hendrix or something? So first you claim that some fucking group of Filter rippoffs made a mark on the world of music, and then you flip around and take some mediocre position on how they're not the greatest, but they sure can blend some hot genres?

The thing is:

Linkin Park adds nothing to the world of music. They never, ever, ever will. You know, in 3 or 4 years, you're going to think back and you'll be like, "Wow, that Chrysophylax boy sure was right. About everything. I think I'm going to go to a few peace rallies and buy a couple Sonic Youth albums! And throw away all my shit Linkin Park CD's."

Remember that.

I seriously dought he'll remember you like that. Maybe he will stop liking Linkin Park but not everyone is obliged to listing to Hendrix or Zeppelin instead of LP. I agreee with you that there both way better than LP but he's entitled to his opinion.
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Posted 18 December 2004 - 12:14 PM

you realize that because of his predilection for Linkin Park, he may just shun the rock aspect altogether and head his nasty-ass tastes over to the rap side. I apologize to anyone who happens to like rap, but I despise it.
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Posted 18 December 2004 - 05:09 PM

Although now when I turn on the radio I want to beat the shit outta this new wave of whiney alternative bands singing about their girl problems.

I know what you mean. I also want to beat the shit out of Hoobastank for some of their songs, and My Chemical Romance's "I'm not okay"

Stop saying the fucking song title.
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Posted 18 December 2004 - 05:47 PM

you realize that because of his predilection for Linkin Park, he may just shun the rock aspect altogether and head his nasty-ass tastes over to the rap side. I apologize to anyone who happens to like rap, but I despise it.

I hate people who just say they hate rap, because chances are you dont know shit about the genre. I hate mainstream rap. It sucks. But there are many good MCs underground that put out really good music. Just because all you hear is a bunch of braindeads yelling about their cocks doesnt mean there isn't good stuff being put out.
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Posted 19 December 2004 - 12:39 AM

Yeah, they do indeed, however, I think that Metallica's Metallica marked the band's end as a metal band and its transformation into the money hogs they are. Its too bad Cliff died... the band wouldn't be who they are now if Burton was around. He really was the heart and soul of Metallica, in my very humble opinion.

The thing is, Macman, even if Cliff never died, they'd still be where they are. ...And Justice for All and Metallica still came out after he was gone, and they were kickass albums. Cliff also had plans to quit the band and pursue a solo project around the time he departed, so it wasn't like it would have made a huge difference in terms of Metallica "selling out". Cliff still wouldn't have been with them for the next album.

Arcanis - The thing is, MCR started off as a completely underground band that no one really knew... and the first album (I Brought You My Bullets, You Brought Me Your Love) was an excellent ablum. It really was. I am forced to agree with you, however, that the new stuff that you are hearing on the radio is absolutely horrendous. I can't stand what direction they headed in. It really sucks, it's sooo mainstream. I do have to, however, shoot down your whole "beat bands that sing about their girl problems" thing because the lead singer is rather gay. Yeah, he's singing about a guy.

>Fuse< - Yeah, I hate rap. I hate about 99% of it. I know a bit about the genre, I know names, faces, and a lot of music. I have been forced to listen to many many many rap artists and songs over the years, and I don't like it. I'm sorry, but it's not neccessarily because people don't like the genre, it may be that some people just don't appreciate the qualities about it that make it rap. The only artists in the genre that I really respect at all are probably Outkast and Eminem. I absolutely hate the hell out of Eminem's new album, but I can tolerate the previous albums and even enjoy some of it. Outkast is pretty cool... at least they are musical in the true sense of the word. I also respect and even enjoy some of Public Enemy's stuff, but that's a bit on the old side. Other than the artists I mentioned and possibly a few I forgot, I hate the rest of it. I've heard plenty of underground stuff from guys that I've worked with and friends, and very little of it does anything for me. There are a couple of sparse artists here and there that are O.K. in my book, but for the most part I just can't stand it.
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Posted 19 December 2004 - 12:06 PM

I do agree, MCR has had some good songs in the past...

That's rather, erm, freakish about the lead singer.
What really surprises me is the tone of the voice in hoobastank... Most of them are medium-large guys. :)
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Posted 19 December 2004 - 01:21 PM

"Cliff Burton was the man who had that wild spirit that makes a band like Metallica a quality band. He wasn't only the bass player, or someone else in the band who co-write the songs, he was the man who made Metallica reach the sky. After his death, Metallica sold their souls for fame and fortune, things that he would never wanted to deal with. He'd never allowed all that "Black Album" to happen, and neither that damn "Load" thing. When Metallica lost their bass player, they also lost their soul." 

Then again, I don't like Lars a whole lot.

When I say rap, i refer to mainstream rap. Some underground stuff is really really good... its got meaning and content to it, not the crap thats all over MTV. I realize that there is some actually good stuff out there, sorry that I wasn't clear enough.

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Posted 20 December 2004 - 07:24 PM

That's an odd quote from Lars, where'd u find that one? He admits a lot of fault in there.

Still, Cliff was on the verge of quitting, so eventually the same would have happened.

Another funny thing about Hoobastank is they are swedish (if I'm not mistaken... swedish or norweigan, I can't remember).

Edited by Ash, 20 December 2004 - 07:24 PM.

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