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[ComradeSch]

So, these darts appear to have the foam bodies of our regular darts and appear to have heads with corkscrew-like grooves cut in them, perhaps to induce some "rifling" effect on the darts. However, they also have a flat head that covers those grooves, so whether or not they are actually more accurate remains to be seen.

 

 

This is a screenshot of a video, unfortunately; It was hard enough finding that, but the design of the darts can be seen here. So, your thoughts on these darts? Personally they look to me like the new heads will not affect accuracy at all (or will make it worse) and it'll have worse ballistics than FJV's, and I'll stick to my FJV's, thank you very much.

[Shadowslayer1924]

At least Hasbro acknowledges that elites are inaccurate. The tip design is very interesting, i wonder if the groves will lock in with the barrel or the bolt on the new blasters. 

[Draconis]

Yuck.  Those are terribly ugly.

[Montymarks]

Then they wouldn't be conpatible with elite blasters. Hasbro prides themselves in modular technology.

Also, they look horrible and discusting, burn them with fire, kill it, kill it, I like streamline darts better

-Montymarks

[ENP10]

I have no idea what hasbro was thinking! but who knows? They might be great.

[ComradeSch]

At least Hasbro acknowledges that elites are inaccurate. The tip design is very interesting, i wonder if the groves will lock in with the barrel or the bolt on the new blasters. 

 

Yeah, I don't think they will. Also, the Alphahawk has no mechanism that touches the tips, according to any pics I could find. Still, these things might end up like the K'Nex K-Force darts,

Yuck.  Those are terribly ugly.

My thoughts exactly. They're overengineered to Hell and back, and just don't look practical.

 

Then they wouldn't be conpatible with elite blasters. Hasbro prides themselves in modular technology.

Also, they look horrible and discusting, burn them with fire, kill it, kill it, I like streamline darts better

-Montymarks

I am also worried that the heads could lead to jamming, personally, but I may be pleasantly surprised. However, the tips are also going to have to be lighter, I think, and accuracy would not fare well from a shift of balance.

 

I have no idea what hasbro was thinking! but who knows? They might be great.

I certainly hope to be pleasantly surprised.

[CaptainSlug]

New photos from: http://gizmodo.com/n...-for-1786805212

The flat tip and consistent aerodynamic profile around the circumference should make these as accurate as knock-off darts that don't have any off-center asymmetric holes. I doubt that the drill-bit profile does much of anything. But who knows.

[shandsgator8]

I'm interested. I assume these have the same dimensions as regular Nerf Elite darts?

 

EDIT: After skimming the Gizmodo article, it appears they're directly compatible with regular Nerf Elite darts. It'll be interesting to see how these work in flywheel blasters.

Edited by shandsgator8, 05 October 2016 - 01:19 PM.

[ComradeSch]

New photos from: http://gizmodo.com/n...-for-1786805212

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The flat tip and consistent aerodynamic profile around the circumference should make these as accurate as knock-off darts that don't have any off-center asymmetric holes. I doubt that the drill-bit profile does much of anything. But who knows.

Thank you very much for the better photos!

Edited by Ice Nine, 05 October 2016 - 06:09 PM.
I removed the photos you quoted because it was annoying.

[DjOnslaught]

I think they will wobble horrendously out of any sort of canted flywheel cage.

[Daniel Beaver]

We won't know how well these perform until we actually try them. But I'm glad to see Hasbro experimenting a bit, as their current elite streamlines leave a lot to be desired.

[Snoop Doggy doge]

Edited because more relevant data from people. I got the connects yo!

Got to see one with an unnamed source(s).
So far, these are kinda accurate. They're USCs that fly farther and hit closer to regular velocities. They're decently accurate,
and "slightly better than USCs". Why should this matter to us? Because casual stock guys can come in and play, buy all store dart flinging stuff and have decent gear. It's kinda like rival, but compatible with everything. So it's cool and kinda worth looking into. 
Sure it'll be a little more expensive but let it at least surface. 

They also didn't hop out of a snapbow, BUT my source(s) had a CPVC barrel and reported that the dart was stuck in the middle of the barrel, meaning it was just a bit too tight but hopped. So, definitely something to look into using a wider bore barrel.


Oh also, the grooves in the front don't do anything, just there for aesthetic. 
TL;DR I have multiple sources, it's kinda ok, slightly better than USCs and will have hasbro prices, but will sell near elite prices I hear. (don't quote me on that, not sure) May hop too. 



PS : the dart heads "spiral/rifling" was intended to compress on impact, not create spin

Edited by Snoop Doggy doge, 07 October 2016 - 11:12 PM.

[ComradeSch]

Edited because more relevant data from people. I got the connects yo!

Got to see one with an unnamed source(s).
So far, these are kinda accurate. They're USCs that fly farther and hit closer to regular velocities. They're decently accurate,
and "slightly better than USCs". Why should this matter to us? Because casual stock guys can come in and play, buy all store dart flinging stuff and have decent gear. It's kinda like rival, but compatible with everything. So it's cool and kinda worth looking into. 
Sure it'll be a little more expensive but let it at least surface. 

They also didn't hop out of a snapbow, BUT my source(s) had a CPVC barrel and reported that the dart was stuck in the middle of the barrel, meaning it was just a bit too tight but hopped. So, definitely something to look into using a wider bore barrel.


Oh also, the grooves in the front don't do anything, just there for aesthetic. 
TL;DR I have multiple sources, it's kinda ok, slightly better than USCs and will have hasbro prices, but will sell near elite prices I hear. (don't quote me on that, not sure) May hop too. 



PS : the dart heads "spiral/rifling" was intended to compress on impact, not create spin

Thanks for the added info. And according to a YouTube video I saw, the Hasbro employees did mention that the darts are more consistent, yet a little softer-shooting, than Elite darts (https://www.youtube....h?v=w_43mDTkMrY if you want to check it out). They also said that they aren't going to be completely phasing out Elites, as, quote, "We want [our target market] to have the choice".  I personally think it's nice that we're getting the option for different types of stock dart, like how in real steel, you have AP, tracer, hollow point, JSP, FMJ, ball, etc. Depending on your needed application. For people who want stock darts and more options, selling them alongside Elites is great, but I still prefer FVJ's because they're accurate, shoot hard and are really cheap.

[Snoop Doggy doge]

well now they're not giving the illusion of different types by color and the rare USDart
Don't mean to make this a dickwaving thread but, LOL FVJ accurate, USCs are more "accurate" and cheaper, 3.30 USD a dart, and legal everywere

>plugs in dart guide

They're good that they're be stock ammo that's available in store, in  mass and large quantites for people hopefully.
Have only saw 30 dart max for USDart (the magfed suction) so hopefuly this will be sold is larger quantites like 75.
Dunno why anyone would want the eilte dart though, if there's a better option. Accustrike probably will be more expensive than elites than to make them a viable seller against accustrike darts.

TBH I'm really curious how nerf approaches this, and I'm glad there's a new design but I just want to know if it will hop. 
Please hop in my .495 alu lol

[ComradeSch]

well now they're not giving the illusion of different types by color and the rare USDart
Don't mean to make this a dickwaving thread but, LOL FVJ accurate, USCs are more "accurate" and cheaper, 3.30 USD a dart, and legal everywere

>plugs in dart guide

They're good that they're be stock ammo that's available in store, in  mass and large quantites for people hopefully.
Have only saw 30 dart max for USDart (the magfed suction) so hopefuly this will be sold is larger quantites like 75.
Dunno why anyone would want the eilte dart though, if there's a better option. Accustrike probably will be more expensive than elites than to make them a viable seller against accustrike darts.

TBH I'm really curious how nerf approaches this, and I'm glad there's a new design but I just want to know if it will hop. 
Please hop in my .495 alu lol

Duly noted, I'll take your dart guide into consideration. However, we'll have to thoroughly test the Accustrike darts. My typical accuracy test involves a Buzz Bee Sn1pe (stop autocorrecting it) (it shoots just a little softer than a Range Master/Orion) and I use the scope to aim at the top half of my coffee pot from a good 30 feet (the maximum range of a typical firefight) away. I ran the test and found that my FVJ's were noticably better than Elite Darts, so I can't wait to try out the Accustrike and USC's.

Edited by ComradeSch, 11 October 2016 - 12:39 AM.

[justajolt]

Having some interesting discussion about this on Britnerf.

 

Basically, it seems that Hasbro may be touting these as more accurate, whilst claiming that elites still have longer range.

 

However, until we see otherwise, I would argue that both will remain inferior to Koosh.

 

So here's an idea... why not some sort of spiral koosh design? All the goodness of AccuHappyspin, with the areodynamic properties (and range?) of a koosh.

[Snoop Doggy doge]

Having some interesting discussion about this on Britnerf.

 

Basically, it seems that Hasbro may be touting these as more accurate, whilst claiming that elites still have longer range.

 

However, until we see otherwise, I would argue that both will remain inferior to Koosh.

 

So here's an idea... why not some sort of spiral koosh design? All the goodness of AccuHappyspin, with the areodynamic properties (and range?) of a koosh.

Koosh are very meh at consistency, USCs are better

Elites will always be inferior but the Accustrike is decent at accurac and had front weight distribution, which is way better than the light elites. At this velocity, more accurate darts trade range because there's not enough velocity to launch them, but at higher velocities the lighter dart spirals out. I have heard these darts can kinda hop.

Accustrikes ARE NOT DESIGNED TO SPIN. They're designed to compress on impact. Any spin would be insignifigant, and doesn't affect the velocity. The koosh has better range because it's lighter, but still have some weight at the front so they do a bit better than elites. However they still go everywhere for me as I'm used to tight USC groups. They're like #6 slugs no wind, 

[Cartaya]

Some thoughts....Has anyone seen a X shot dart yet?  I think that is a much better idea for a dart, if they were only a little heavier.

I'm not exactly jumping for joy about these,  I dreamed for years the next Nerf dart from Hasbro would be better than the K'nex darts. Why couldn't they make a decent nipple-head dart with a soft head instead?  The head being collapsible could cause a lot of problems with sealed breeches and long barrels as where the K'nex darts have a taper to them to avoid that problem.  Oh well.   

Edited by Cartaya, 17 October 2016 - 03:25 AM.

[Astech]

It looks like NERF is making a compromise between rifling, aerodynamics and safety that leaves all three categories wanting.

 

Hasbro's safety process (look it up) for stored energy projectiles such as nerf darts has a cut-off power that is entirely dependent on the dart's area of impact. The larger the area, the higher the velocity allowed. That is why the flat tip extends all the way to the edge of the foam.

 

The "rifling" should make the dart spin, but its covered by the safety head, so you get spin by Venturi Effect, but that's it - no aerofoil. Because they added the rifling, there is more surface area to cause friction, and therefore the aerodynamics are worse (to say nothing of a flat head).

 

However, the symmetric design and slight turning effect will increase accurac -, if only by a little - at the cost of range. I could see this being viable on high-powered blasters where the velocities give a bit more of a tug on the rifling, to give some decent spin. Otherwise, its 3rd party all the way.

[Snoop Doggy doge]

It looks like NERF is making a compromise between rifling, aerodynamics and safety that leaves all three categories wanting.

 

Hasbro's safety process (look it up) for stored energy projectiles such as nerf darts has a cut-off power that is entirely dependent on the dart's area of impact. The larger the area, the higher the velocity allowed. That is why the flat tip extends all the way to the edge of the foam.

 

The "rifling" should make the dart spin, but its covered by the safety head, so you get spin by Venturi Effect, but that's it - no aerofoil. Because they added the rifling, there is more surface area to cause friction, and therefore the aerodynamics are worse (to say nothing of a flat head).

 

However, the symmetric design and slight turning effect will increase accurac -, if only by a little - at the cost of range. I could see this being viable on high-powered blasters where the velocities give a bit more of a tug on the rifling, to give some decent spin. Otherwise, its 3rd party all the way.

>mfw I talked to a guy who knows wassup
It's not rifling, the original intended purpose was to create a cushion on impact. Any spin gained is an aftereffect, not intended. 

However everything else you said is correct, sacraficing aerodynamics and a bit of range for consistency, and adding weight to the tip is how to make darts a bit more accurate. That's what USCs do, 

Edited by Snoop Doggy doge, 20 October 2016 - 10:22 AM.

[Psylocke]

I'm digging the purple darts, they look cool.