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[xedice]

I've been trying to read back and see if this was already covered, but couldn't find it. Are you going to tip the end orange? Because you say you play on campus right? Over here, my campus police are always patrolling everywhere, they would know instantly if we had anything that remotely looked like a gun in our hands.

I have to say, it is turning out to be looking sweet.

Edited by xedice, 16 July 2004 - 08:52 PM.

[Katachi]

I've been trying to read back and see if this was already covered, but couldn't find it. Are you going to tip the end orange? Because you say you play on campus right? Over here, my campus police are always patrolling everywhere, they would know instantly if we had anything that remotely looked like a gun in our hands.

I have to say, it is turning out to be looking sweet.

Take a look at the pics of the gun while it's just grey primer. The whole barrel is orange and Im leaving it that way. Yeah it looks silly having an orange nub sticking out a couple inches, but it's my super secret "orangonium nerve gas" dispenser attachment.

[AirApache]

Yeah, it was addressed. Madison police are lazy. FYI Madison is the biggest party school in this area. Known for drinking.

[seirus]

As previously stated in the nerf P-99 topic, I can't say that uber realistic looking guns have a place in nerf. Mainly due to my criminal record, but also because I beleive that makin your gun look as outrageous as possible is what it's all about.

[greenflash]

Really cool shell Katachi! I can't wait to see it put together.

[NinjZ]

Are you leaving it all black? Im just not one for a solid colored gun. Its hard ot tell from your pics though. Also, I notice some obvious "dips" where you can tell ti was puttied. Doing anything about those?

[VoLT]

Sorry, Katachi, but I just see anything so special about your case so far. All I can see that you did was cover up the gaping hole in the front (which could have been used for something else, e.g., a maglite or ammo holders) and the ridges on the back of the handle (which I liked, but to each his own I guess). The paintjob doesn't look too special either. I for one, don't appreciate solid color paintjobs, but if you're planning on adding more colors it could look nice.

[okto]

*laughs heartily* wow...some kids like flame wars. this thread is moon-huge.

katachi, excellent job on your case.
for those of you who dont seem to notice what so special, its that he' gotten rid of all the extra shit on his gun. the nerf logo, that knob-loking thing it rests on, the light case, the ammo holders (holster prevention devices), the ribbed backstrap. he's reduced it to the essence of a nightfinder: a gun that performs well and feels good in your hand. and along the way, he's made it more holsterable, more comfy to hold, and nicer looking. minimalism is nearly always the best way to go about anything, functionally and aesthetically. less components mean less problems.

to the murphy-fearing: why are you gonna flash your gun around where there are cops? dont let them see it and they wont care.
if youre carrying it to school...thats beyond stupid. in this age of school shootings and zero tolerance, nerf wars cant happen in public school. so that's moot.
if youre on a college campus and they see you there, keep your damn gun down! i play at college, but we keep our guns hidden for just this reason. keep it in your pocket, in a bag, in a coat...theres really just no reason for the po to be a problem if you arent stupid about it.

[Katachi]

Sorry, Katachi, but I just see anything so special about your case so far. All I can see that you did was cover up the gaping hole in the front (which could have been used for something else, e.g., a maglite or ammo holders) and the ridges on the back of the handle (which I liked, but to each his own I guess). The paintjob doesn't look too special either. I for one, don't appreciate solid color paintjobs, but if you're planning on adding more colors it could look nice.

Yes, I agree with Seirus and Volt. I don't think realistic guns should be used in nerf wars either. It would be way too easy for someone to get in trouble with anything resembling a realistic gun. You'll also notice that every gun I've painted still has the orange tip. This project was just to show what could be done with the NF if you were to strip it down, fill in the holes, and paint it a realistic gun color.









First off, I was wrong. It's not really the Nite Finder case mod done right. Close, but not perfect. The paint was old and sprayed in big uneven drops. Plus, my lighting wasn't that great, and sanded bondo absorbs light, so you really can't see where you need to sand edges until you get the primer on. Overall, I'd give it 8/10 for being the most stripped down NF project.

And I honestly don't like it. I think it's too smooth and minimal, and it's just lacking so much detail. But as I said, my heart wasn't yearning to make the gun of my dreams. I already have that. It's my weathered metal NF blaster . I know some people tried "the most stripped down NF" projects, and several others had talked about doing it or wanting to see what it looked like. So there you have it. There's room to improve if you like the design. If you want to get rid of the LED all together, you could round off that trigger guard to eliminate even more of the shell.

HERE'S WHAT I DID:

Removed the "Nerf" knobs
Removed the light housing
Rounded off the underside of the trigger guard
Removed the "metallic" part on the barrel
Removed the orange barrel tip
Removed the air restrictors

Filled in the back of the grip
Filled in the holes where the knobs were
Filled in any remaining holes

Rewired a 10000mcd white LED to the switch
Made a fitting for the LED
Added bondo to the inside to hold the air chamber more snug

Primer and one solid color paint

FEATURES:
The LED is bright!

I can get an AVERAGE of about 40 feet level with stock darts. Nothing impressive for all of you, but it's good for my games.

The shell is NOT sealed with bondo. I filled the holes in the shell halves and sanded it down to make a seam. You can see it in the pics.

WHAT I WOULD DO BETTER NEXT TIME:
Definatley sand that bondo down more smooth around the edges

Add a screw just below the LED to hold the shell together there

Better paintjob

[cxwq]

CXWQ, if you're going to go through that much trouble to dig up old posts and dirt on me, you should have seen that I don't bash people, and I don't bash nerf. All my comments have started out as suggestive improvements or criticism, and some people instantly see it as a direct attack on them

It's no trouble. I tend to remember the posts of n00bs who have more attitude than sense.

You criticized nearly everyone here for having no style. You came in here with your cosplay crap and told us our nerf wasn't good enough for you. So nice of you to come convert the heathens.

I'm sure a few of the kids in your dorm are impressed by your cosplay foam and bondo. We're impressed by performance first, looks a distant second. I'll give you (and a couple others who have jumped at the chance to suck your dick) the opportunity to adjust your atittudes. If you can't handle that, you're gone.

Thanks for visiting NerfHaven!

[xedice]

I've been saying this the whole time, impressive and appealing. Nice work.

[Katachi]

hey all, hope you can learn something from me so far. I really don't have time to address cxwq's concerns right now. I'm working on a gun for THIRST.

You want less talk and more results? You got it.

[ompa]

Bad move. You should take the time to address his concerns before anything else, mainly because he'll probably ban your ass. Just apologize and hope to dear god he takes it.

For Christ's sake, since when did I ask for insults now? I simply said that I can understand from his point of view since I modify guns for the same god damn kids he does, and I'm kind of upset that some people can't see that. However, I also nerf with kids that are obsessed with range and usefullness over looks, such as Airapache and Prism, as well as a few of my friends not on forums. I really don't know how trying to see stuff from both viewpoints warrents being insulted.

By the way, nice job on the gun, although you can still see where some of the bondo wasn't completely smoothed out... But I probably couldn't have done a better job so I should be quiet.

~ompa

Edited by ompa, 17 July 2004 - 06:15 PM.

[Katachi]

That's strange. Really, I just came in to check my e-mail and put the cat back in.

Okay, here:

You want more results from me and less talk, you got it.

There is a huge age/experience gap between myself and most of the members of your forum. If they don't want to do case mods, fine. They'll understand my postition once they get to hs or college.

I'm glad some of you have been inspired to do body/case mods. If I piss everyone but a few of you off, I can be happy with that. Thirst motivated me to make a few guns, and I motivated him to paint a bit more. We're all going to come out ahead here. Trust me.

Now really, I got resin curing right now and I gotta get back outside! Pics to come!

Look! I learned not to double post!

It occured to me that you might think I was making an insulting gun for THIRST. I"m not. I promised him I'd make a 2 barrel attachment, and it got me thinking so much, the project just kind of mushroomed from there... Check this out:

I went over to Goodwill and picked up the gun for 2 bucks. On a saturday! How rare! Got that, and a wildfire that needs a bit of work, and another gun I intend to use for parts, for a total of 8 bucks.

The microdart attachment for this gun still needs some sanding on the sides. The rubber bands are holding the thing together until the gorilla glue dries. The I beam type piece in the center is a piece of resin I quick cast and shaped with the dremel. Then it's... well, I'll show you when it's done. Think "Trigun" The cylinder sitting next to the gun is a resin shell I got from a mold I pulled off the Posiedon Vash gun. I'm thinking it would look nice where that green barrel selector was. Any thoughts? Suggestions? Similar projects?

ANOTHER UPDATE: now I"m going to get posts saying it's too long...

Okay, look. I'm not trying to make performance people look bad. I'm sorry if I have, and I'm sorry everyone's so upset over it. Internals are more important than a gun's looks, but take a look at any nerf website. They are lacking in any kinds of body mods or case mods. I'm offering something new. I never intended this to be a "form vs function" debate, you know that. I do what I do and I'm happy to teach other people. Am I really that much of a threat to your way of life? Some people here are more than willing to learn some new tricks.

Maybe it isn't an age/exerience gap that's keeping most of you from understanding me. I don't know what it is, but I've learned that not everyone cares how their gun looks, although there are a lot of people who are eager to learn.

Edited by Katachi, 18 July 2004 - 12:15 AM.

[Techno-Dann]

...wrong thing to say. From what I've seen, most of us are in High School or college. I'm a junior in High School. I'm probably going to be taking college classes next year.

On the topic of case mods, I appreciate a good-looking gun, but I'm not going to spend hours of my time to do it. I paint guns, but that's about it. I guess I come down in the 'performance' camp, as I'd much rather have a horridly ugly gun with great accuracy and ROF than have a great looking gun that barely shoots. But, I can understand your desire to have a good looking model gun.

Now, I've not posted very much, but here're some things I'd suggest:

Address what CXWQ has said, and apologise. He owns the site, and he's not sounding very pleased with you.

Stop trying to make us performance-lovers look bad. There are different opinions here.

Loose the attitude. I'm getting tired of the 'You don't appreciate a good looking gun so therefore you're absoluteley horrid savages' routine.

[Katachi]

Loose the attitude. I'm getting tired of the 'You don't appreciate a good looking gun so therefore you're absoluteley horrid savages' routine.

That's excessively inaccurate and you know it. Or maybe not, since the "form vs function" battle raged on across several boards and several theads. I never said looks were more important than how a gun fires. It took me a while to understand that some of you are willing to take something ugly as sin into battle if it means overall winning. We've all discussed this enough, and things have been worked out with everyone. Unless people are still going to be upset when someone tells them their gun is ugly and offers ways to fix it if you're intrested. It's up to you do decide what to do with constructive criticism. If people here can't handle it, I promise I'll lighten up on them.

[okto]

its not either/or!! katachi's weapon has form AND function, and nothing he has done prevents you from modding it for 100 foot range. you can have both!!

cxwq, i dont think its fair to accuse katachi of telling everyone their way of nerfing is wrong, then tell everyone their way of boarding is wrong. i realize its your board, im not telling you how to run it, but consider. this is not an idiot case, this is a case of disagreeing with the established order, which is not a crime.
i understand weeding out idiots. i do not understand ideological censorship, unless it threatens the integrity of a community or restricts the freedoms of others.

[Ragornocks]

Where's the close button?

Maybe you guys should take this over AIM or IRC, and stop making my eyes bleed. I kinda like to use them for stuff. It's hard to use them when they're covered in body fluids.

I'm sure some of you can tell us all about having body fluids on your face, huh?

[okto]

thine wit layeth me low. homosexuality is clearly the root of different standpoints on nerf modding.
if it makes your eyes bleed...dont read it. im not your mother, your ocular comfort is not my responsibility.

sorry, almost forgot. on windows systems, you'll find the close button in the upper right-hand corner of your window, it has an 'x' in it. on macintosh, the red jewel in the top left. on linux, ill assume you know how your window manager's widgets are set up.

Edited by okto, 17 July 2004 - 08:34 PM.

[nerfspecialforces]

Dude, you triple posted, twice... Your not supposed to do that, besides, it's easier just to edit your post.


P.S. Gome for a couple weeks, miss me?

[okto]

who are you talking about?

[ompa]

Who knows... Anyways Katachi, I think he meant double barrel a single barreled gun. Not double barrel a double barreled gun... But eh, it looks nice nonetheless. Glad you and Thirst worked things out.

~ompa

[Katachi]

Who knows... Anyways Katachi, I think he meant double barrel a single barreled gun. Not double barrel a double barreled gun... But eh, it looks nice nonetheless. Glad you and Thirst worked things out.

~ompa

Oh yeah, everythings cool with all but a few people now, I get IMs from people a lot .

I know it was originally supposed to be 2 barrels for one gun, but I picked up that gun today for 3 bucks and figured, if I'm gonna make a 2 barrel attachment, I might as well make something people can't flame me for not mechanically functioning properly for. I don't know the best way to put 2 barrels on a NF. 2 cpvc microdart adapters for a SSII I can do. With style What do you think of putting the Trigun cylinder on it somewhere? Any other suggestions?

NSF: yeah I learned not to do that. I use LJ more than I post in forums so I figured separate posts for separate thoughts would be appropriate.

Edited by Katachi, 17 July 2004 - 09:55 PM.

[okto]

anything related to trigun wins.

[ompa]

Hm as for that cylinder... I don't know, I kinda like the original pump that came with it, and I'm sure you could make it look quite good.

Psst, by the way Katachi, unless you shove those barrels down the stock barrels alot farther, you're going to have some serious problems firing stefans.

~ompa

Edited by ompa, 17 July 2004 - 10:01 PM.