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#26 Naturalman7

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Posted 09 August 2014 - 10:49 AM

I want to get one, but I don't know if the bolt on it is like the old one, or if it have only one handle and a cap to hold it on, refer to the little dude holding one on the zombie strike package to understand what I am talking about.


It has a bolt handle on both sides, like the old one.

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Posted 09 August 2014 - 12:06 PM

Ok, Thank you NaturalMan, I was just concerned for the chance that there might only be one bolt handle, and would have to buy a bolt for it.
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Posted 09 August 2014 - 02:21 PM

Just picked one up yesterday. The blaster is extremely prone to jamming if you attempt to prime it quickly, and the prime feels very rigid and mechanical. I suspect this has more to due with the darts than the blaster itself. I'm going to test it with N-Strike streamlines the first chance I get, the jamming issues probably stem from the old internals not being modified to account for any of the issues the original had with elite darts.
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Posted 09 August 2014 - 04:40 PM

Just picked one up yesterday. The blaster is extremely prone to jamming if you attempt to prime it quickly, and the prime feels very rigid and mechanical. I suspect this has more to due with the darts than the blaster itself. I'm going to test it with N-Strike streamlines the first chance I get, the jamming issues probably stem from the old internals not being modified to account for any of the issues the original had with elite darts.


I concur. I fired several clips of streamlines as fast as I could and they never jammed. I did the same with new blue elites and they fired just fine. I tried the same with the ZS darts, and they jammed nearly every dart.


However, just now, I rapid-fired a clip of streamies, elites, and ZS darts and all fired without a single jam. Perhaps the ZSLS's just needs 'warming up' to spread the generous amounts of grease around so it functions properly. I have no idea. When I first got it, it jammed nearly every shot, a few hours later, it only jammed once or twice per clip, now it fires any dart just fine.


Also, I've used three different old Longshots with elite darts without any specific jamming issues, so I'm at a loss when it comes to this blaster...



Also, if streamies and elites and the same shape and size, why would they differ in how they're loaded?

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Posted 09 August 2014 - 05:20 PM

Also, if streamies and elites and the same shape and size, why would they differ in how they're loaded?

Streamline tips have a much longer stem than elite tips. This makes them more rigid than elites, which have a tendency to fold in half when used in blasters designed for streamlines.
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#31 Naturalman7

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Posted 09 August 2014 - 05:28 PM

Streamline tips have a much longer stem than elite tips. This makes them more rigid than elites, which have a tendency to fold in half when used in blasters designed for streamlines.


Hmm, interesting. I honestly can't say I've noticed a large difference in jams between elites and streamies. I guess I don't nerf as much as I thought. I have seen both kinds of darts fold in half and jam equally, but your reason makes sense.

Anyways, the firing issue I was having wasn't due to darts folding. They would chamber, but just wouldn't fire.


Here's a video of me struggling to fire more than three darts without jamming later the same day I bought my ZSLS. Immediately after unboxing, the LS wouldn't shoot more than once without jamming.
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Here's a video of me rapid firing the LS with elite darts without a single jam a day after unboxing and firing several dozen darts. In addition to the clips in this video, I've fired many more without jams - but I've also fired my slightly modified 2006 LS without jams so I'm tempted to say the talk of elite jams is far-fetched.
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Basically it's the same as the 2006 Longshot.

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#32 Serene Haze

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Posted 09 August 2014 - 09:26 PM

Anyways, the firing issue I was having wasn't due to darts folding. They would chamber, but just wouldn't fire.


I think I figured it out. I don't have any streamlines here to compare it with, but I believe the "chambering but not firing" jam may be a combination of the following factors:

A: ZS Elites and Elites have a larger inner diameter and denser foam than Streamlines, making them hug the dart post tighter in the Longshot's breach. (If my memory serves correctly.)

B: The Longshot does not have anywhere near a 100% seal in it's breach. The amount of force may actually not be enough to make the ZS Elites move from the dart post.

This is mostly speculation, I have a feeling covering the air-release hole in the blaster may help alleviate this issue. It makes sense that the blaster would need a "breaking in" period, so that the grease spreads out more evenly and improves the seal enough to make the blaster fire elites to some degree of effectiveness.

Like Naturalman said, pretty much the same as the 2006 Longshot, with a very hasty hotfix to increase compatibility with newer darts.

Edited by Serene Haze, 09 August 2014 - 09:36 PM.

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Posted 13 August 2014 - 09:19 AM

I think I figured it out. I don't have any streamlines here to compare it with, but I believe the "chambering but not firing" jam may be a combination of the following factors:

A: ZS Elites and Elites have a larger inner diameter and denser foam than Streamlines, making them hug the dart post tighter in the Longshot's breach. (If my memory serves correctly.)

B: The Longshot does not have anywhere near a 100% seal in it's breach. The amount of force may actually not be enough to make the ZS Elites move from the dart post.

This is mostly speculation, I have a feeling covering the air-release hole in the blaster may help alleviate this issue. It makes sense that the blaster would need a "breaking in" period, so that the grease spreads out more evenly and improves the seal enough to make the blaster fire elites to some degree of effectiveness.

Like Naturalman said, pretty much the same as the 2006 Longshot, with a very hasty hotfix to increase compatibility with newer darts.


Since i have a ZSLS and a standard LS, so far, everything is exactly the same, I do not know how elites didn't chamber in certain LS's but everything is the same. Here is my list (in no order) of my pros and cons so far about the ZSLS

Pros
*I believe the range is a bit better, but i can't confirm actual lengths. (I was comparing it to my blue LS, the spring is a bit old so that may be a factor)
*A tacticool scope thats orange for all our tacticool needs.
*Its an LS so all the fun stuff can be added on.

Cons
*Cost is the first to come to mind, an LS cost 35$ before for the extra front gun and bipod, if they are going to rerelease it for the same price, they should at least included the bipod, (I hated holding up the LS at the bipod rest area? I don't know exactly what to call that)
*The paint, oh my god why turquoise, not everyone is good at painting, (I liked having a spectre barrel because why not) so no attachments can really be added on besides the scope given that match the coloring scheme.
*They didn't make the shell ambidextrous, I use both arms to shoulder blasters I use. They could have easily added a Stryfe style magazine release, everybody likes those. I guess its laziness.

Overall, this ZSLS disappoints me but at least we have more LS's, I hope they make a modernized variant for elite or ZED squad with a pre done shotgun grip, stryfe style mag release, and other various shell changes, thats probably not going to happen but Nerf or Target could've just retailed the ZSLS for a bit cheaper, I think a more appropriate price point would've been 20-30$ but seeing how everything is going up in price, well meh. If you have any requests or questions about the ZSLS feel free to ask, I do not have the scope in my possession anymore but I still have the blaster.
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Posted 15 August 2014 - 01:46 PM

Could you be a little more specific?

there have been no chances to shoot elite darts, but there have been a few changes

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