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#51 azrael

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Posted 30 January 2013 - 12:19 PM

Close minded or I have 3 kids that lose the attachments to never be found again . Flywheels scare my kids and pets . We have to remember these are designed for children and not targeted towards the modding community unfortunatley. I help them upgrade the internals but the attachments serve no purpose for outr usage other then cosmetic . I use them in an office /warehouse close quarters set up .

I thought the stock Stryfe was very quiet. I have a dog, and any of my nerf guns scare him (not that I shoot him, he just doesn't like them). He particularly hates the Strongarm for some reason. But it serves him right for chewing up my darts hahah.

If I were to apply Dynamat to the innards to absorb vibrational noise, like I did with my modified one, I doubt the stock Stryfe would be noisy at all.



Personally, I like the N-strike clip system. I hope most of the new stuff will continue to use it. I just hope we will see a better design of the breech, I think it would not be difficult to redesign it to have a tighter air seal. I don't think it's too much to ask to have some metal innards, either. More specifically, stronger parts. This would allow the modding community to do more with stock parts, I think. I would love to see an automatic dart pusher like in the Stampede, but only if the gearing were metal.
I'd like to see more stocks, or at least ones that are slightly larger. It would be interesting to see them being sold separately.

Also, I hope to see more multi-shot guns like the Rough Cut, and more pump action stuff.
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Posted 30 January 2013 - 12:27 PM

Witht he swappalble tubular mags - you're wanting the Vortex range to essentially open up? What is the general feeling towards Vortex?


I think he's referring to streamline tube-mags; not sure in what way though (shotgun-loader style or hopper/rscb).

Personally, I like the Vortex blasters, but I think it's been stalled in the NIC by there not being an easy way to make those discs. I've tried a couple of methods that were promising, but just didn't cut it (1/2" pipe insulation on a 1/2" PVC ring was so close!). Many people don't like that the discs are actually flying instead of following a ballistic trajectory and that they bounce like crazy making them hard to recover.
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Posted 30 January 2013 - 12:59 PM

I think he's referring to streamline tube-mags; not sure in what way though (shotgun-loader style or hopper/rscb).

Personally, I like the Vortex blasters, but I think it's been stalled in the NIC by there not being an easy way to make those discs. I've tried a couple of methods that were promising, but just didn't cut it (1/2" pipe insulation on a 1/2" PVC ring was so close!). Many people don't like that the discs are actually flying instead of following a ballistic trajectory and that they bounce like crazy making them hard to recover.


Thanks for the clarification - how would you folks go about opening up the Vortex range? What is it lacking? Did you folks like the Diatron internals? (Dual-disc technology)
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Posted 30 January 2013 - 01:18 PM

Close minded or I have 3 kids that lose the attachments to never be found again . Flywheels scare my kids and pets . We have to remember these are designed for children and not targeted towards the modding community unfortunatley. I help them upgrade the internals but the attachments serve no purpose for outr usage other then cosmetic . I use them in an office /warehouse close quarters set up .

CQB with nerf, flywheels are the best way to go. You want ROF, not range, so a stock-level flywheel would be the way to go. Stryfe might fit your bill quite well, takes mags, rumored to be quieter, etc. Pets I can understand, but just explain to your kids that it's just noise, shoot them a few times with it, and be done with that.
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Posted 30 January 2013 - 01:30 PM

Thanks for the clarification - how would you folks go about opening up the Vortex range? What is it lacking? Did you folks like the Diatron internals? (Dual-disc technology)


In my opinion the diatom internals were terrible, only left handed priming and it was a massive pain to wield. To open the line up I think there should be a less clunky, less sucky full auto blaster. (the ntron was terrible) maybe a system like the praxis turned full auto?
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Posted 30 January 2013 - 01:34 PM

CQB with nerf, flywheels are the best way to go. You want ROF, not range, so a stock-level flywheel would be the way to go. Stryfe might fit your bill quite well, takes mags, rumored to be quieter, etc. Pets I can understand, but just explain to your kids that it's just noise, shoot them a few times with it, and be done with that.

Our stryfe and hailfire were both loud. Both look nice but i still like the air blasters and single shots. They've been shot plenty :)
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Posted 30 January 2013 - 01:51 PM

Our stryfe and hailfire were both loud. Both look nice but i still like the air blasters and single shots. They've been shot plenty :)

Buy a $4 roll of grey home depot/lowes cheap FBR, and place it strategically around the shell. That'll dampen the sound right away. Most flywheel shells are so noisy because they resonate with the motors.
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#58 Meaker VI

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Posted 30 January 2013 - 02:07 PM

Thanks for the clarification - how would you folks go about opening up the Vortex range? What is it lacking? Did you folks like the Diatron internals? (Dual-disc technology)


To open the line up I think there should be a less clunky, less sucky full auto blaster. (the ntron was terrible) maybe a system like the praxis turned full auto?


I haven't gotten to play with the Diatron so I'll defer to the above, but a multi-shot-single-prime blaster sounds pretty good in theory (like the 2x4, only with disc-throwing arms instead of plungers). The feed system seems like it could be simple enough to make that possible, definitely from the top if not from the bottom. A full auto would be pretty slick; I've always thought a crank system could work great on a vortex blaster. That'd be providing for good stability otherwise though, which might be tricky to achieve.
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Posted 30 January 2013 - 02:52 PM

You know what I'd love to see?

Basically a PAS with an arrowstorm turret on the front, and have it use the Big Bad Bow arrows for compatibility. Also, replace the uncomfortable PAS handle with a raider handle and stock.


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and I assume we all know what a raider handle and stock looks like.


Preferably have the range be around Elite/Vortex range, maybe a bit higher. The advantage to larger ammo like BBB arrows is that you can shoot them with way more force and way farther without hurting anyone, which makes it a perfect ammo type for nerf to experiment on ranges with.

A pump action Arrowstorm with the handle/stock ergonomics of a Raider, and 100ft+ range? (angled, as with all nerf measurements, 100ft parallel to ground would be awesome)

Yes please.

Edited by HasreadCoC, 30 January 2013 - 02:52 PM.

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Posted 30 January 2013 - 03:55 PM

Our stryfe and hailfire were both loud. Both look nice but i still like the air blasters and single shots. They've been shot plenty :)

Really? With no modifications, on normal batteries, my Stryfe was well below talking volume.
Using Dynamat or something cheaper would definitely make it quieter.
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Posted 31 January 2013 - 02:26 AM

Witht he swappalble tubular mags - you're wanting the Vortex range to essentially open up? What is the general feeling towards Vortex?

I think he's referring to streamline tube-mags; not sure in what way though (shotgun-loader style or hopper/rscb).

Meaker is right in that I refer to streamline based mags. In a perfect world, hasbro could mass produce swappable, spring loaded shotgun-style mags that can be cannibalized and used in hoppers/rscbs. This would allow users to top off mags or swap the mag out entirely, on the blaster of their choice, be it homemade or factory made. Admittedly, this is a rather idealistic goal when cost and reliability are factored in, but hasbro has a better chance than the NIC does at making this a reality, even partially.

As for vortex, a dart vs disc argument opened up within the HvZ club at my university, and proponents of vortex loved the longer effective range compared to stock darts, and the fact that magazines can be swapped with the bolt closed, allowing them to keep a disc chambered and ready to fire during reload. Seeing these improvements in dart blasters would be quite welcome. There's also been talk of minimized proton integrations onto dart blasters, but nothing has come of it.

Edited by Lightning, 31 January 2013 - 02:27 AM.

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Posted 31 January 2013 - 11:00 AM

As for vortex, a dart vs disc argument opened up within the HvZ club at my university, and proponents of vortex loved the longer effective range compared to stock darts, and the fact that magazines can be swapped with the bolt closed, allowing them to keep a disc chambered and ready to fire during reload. Seeing these improvements in dart blasters would be quite welcome. There's also been talk of minimized proton integrations onto dart blasters, but nothing has come of it.

Well, you could remove the mag-lock, but you have to RIP the mag out of the blaster when the bolt is forward. Unless your bolt has been replaced with brass, which is much thinner than the stock bolt, then it's a gentle tug.
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#63 Meaker VI

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Posted 31 January 2013 - 11:57 AM

Admittedly, this is a rather idealistic goal when cost and reliability are factored in, but hasbro has a better chance than the NIC does at making this a reality, even partially.


From personal experience; you aren't kidding. I've still got the shell of that thing lying around somewhere, but the loading mech worked by magic and is probably impossible to reproduce. Oh, it also used shells. Building a shotgun like that would still be awesome, and NERF doing it in such a way that we could cannibalize would be great.

As for vortex, a dart vs disc argument opened up within the HvZ club at my university, and proponents of vortex loved the longer effective range compared to stock darts, and the fact that magazines can be swapped with the bolt closed, allowing them to keep a disc chambered and ready to fire during reload.


I also appreciate that their loading mech is much more reliable than any dart-based mech. Dart clips jam, hoppers/RSCB's don't always feed, turrets/chains need some kind of seal...
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#64 MyLastDart

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Posted 01 February 2013 - 06:13 AM

Some news is not always the best news. Had a telephone conversation this morning with Hasbro PR and covered some good ground on arranging more feedback sessions to Hasbro from fans (yay go fans!). They also advised me that the embargo I signed will extend to June 2013. They also said it is likely that the blasters I had the privilege of playing with will not be showcased at all at the New York Toy Fair 2013 in Feb.

So I kinda blame you modders for all your constructive feedback. Now you've got me in the same boat wondering exactly what it is you suggested - and whether it affected the path of not one, but maybe all the blasters I played with.

Oh well, June here we come.
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Posted 01 February 2013 - 10:03 PM

Oh wow, I had been following this intently but did not really expect that sort of response, so soon especially. I have to say that what they produce quite directly influences the continued existence of these forums; no new people would come if nothing was happening on here. Waiting until June is kind of a pain but it looks like we may have actually influenced them in some truly relevant matter, I almost find that somewhat incredible considering the shit-a-dickfest that these forums usually embody.


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WE ACCOMPLISHED SOMETHING, MAYBE, I GUESS. (....?)
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Posted 01 February 2013 - 11:39 PM

I (would have been) fairly interested in a new rocket launcher as well. However, I would like it to be spring powered. Perhaps have a rotating turret on it. (Maby 3 shots on it.)

As for air guns, I cant say I wouldn't mind it. Especialy if they were clip fed blasters like their recent models.

Finally, I like the new plunger blasters they have for what they are. Eventualy they will find a way to outdue themselves again.

(I realize this post is late and would like it deleted, sorry for the mistake.)

Edited by Asamere, 01 February 2013 - 11:45 PM.

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Posted 02 February 2013 - 09:25 AM

I don't that would be all that great. And it would definitely not happen.

People who already have those "vintage" blasters would be upset at the depreciation
The plastic sucks
They do not conform to the ever changing safety standards
Hasbro would have to use a different plastic from what they use now, and thus use the old molds
Most of those blasters were not even designed/engineered under the Hasbro regime. So, that would not work well either. Kenner and Larami (technically, Hasbro acquired the nerf line in 1991, which predates most vintage blasters. however, Kenner and Larami still had most control over the blaster production until like 2000, hence guns like the Crossbow and Splitfire bear the Kenner text and not Hasbro)

It just makes no sense for them to do that. Plus, they do not out-preform (to a great extent) the contemporary blasters. So why would kids buy them? They do not know how "vintage", or valuable they are to us.


I will reinterate my point, emphasis on the word "like" i probably chose bad examples; my point was i would like to see air blasters like the airtech series, and some new spring action blasters that don't require clips.

So my point was airblasters and cool looking blasters like vintage blasters.
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Posted 05 February 2013 - 01:32 PM

I would like to see all previous tacticool accessories available for individual sale, or as mission kit packages, as well as completely new accessories that you can buy individually. Most of the blasters you can buy right now have tactical rails, but very few come with anything to make use of those rails, especially in the elite and vortex lines.

I would love to see a wide release of the pinpoint sight, as well as a flashlight. New adjustable, and folding stocks would be welcome, maybe a folding stock with an switchable attachment for holding clips, or loose ammo. A few different styled barrel attachments would be nice, some with integrated blasters maybe, some short, some long, different designs on the outer barrels.

How about a nerf gun cam? Mattel put a camera in a Barbie, there's no reason Hasbro can't put one on a tac rail.

The idea is with a decent selection of accessories, even people who are not modders can personalize the look and function of their blasters, without having to resort to eBay. And since the super soaker lines are using tac rails now, it's not just the nerf lines that benefit from this.

Speaking of modders, why not just release a plate that slides onto a rail, something like what the stampede shield rests on? A blank plate would allow us to zip tie, glue, bolt, or epoxy whatever we want onto it and make a custom accessory ourselves.

I can see drum clips selling well as mission kits. For instance, a drum, a fill of elite darts, and a bandolier with a drum holder attachment on it, or a drum and stock that can hold a drum.

As far as what I would like to see in blasters themselves? Give me an elite Vulcan.

... Oh and grenades, something safe to throw that will launch a dozen darts or so when it hits the ground. That would be awesome.
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Posted 06 February 2013 - 05:50 AM

Atomatron - it's good to see that fan feedback is having some impact yep!

Asamere - point has been raised and fedback!

Mr Blue Dot - some fantastic points there, some I cannot answer due to my NDA, but I will indeed pass this feedback on to Hasbro.

If I could kindly bring some focus to the Vortex - what or how would you like to see this line evolve? Has it reached its peak?

I have made it loud and clear about all the tacti-coolness we fans want, but my NDA stops me from commenting further.

Keep the feedback rolling folks - i'm particularly interested in hearing from those that have done some off the wall/against the grain mods that some might erotically massage but is an idea waiting to explode.
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Posted 20 June 2014 - 02:15 PM

Bring back the longshot!

They actually are in the form of a zombie strike longshot. heres a link: http://www.smythstoy...-136151itm.aspx
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