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[Split]

Edited by Split, 04 August 2010 - 07:36 PM.

[Split]

VIDEO IS UPLOADED AND ANYONE WHO ASKS WHY IS A DIRTY WHORE.

Edited by Split, 04 August 2010 - 07:37 PM.

[Talio]

Why?

[Zorns Lemma]

First!!

[Seven7h Man]

CAPS LOCK IS CRUISE CONTROL FOR COOL

[deadshooter711]

Where do you people even design this stuff from in the first place!

Very nice job is all I can say. I don't really know exactly what I can add...

[debandgeek12]

I don't know whether to be sarcastic or congratulatory. Seeing as I don't have the reputation of Zorn or Talio, I guess I'll say congrats!

In the video, the plunger moves back kind of slowly. Does it need lube, or am I just not used to the plunger travel speed of homemades?

[cheerios]

I really don't see why this needs it's own thread, oh well. Good job finding a simple way to make slam firing PumpBows.

Edited by cheerios, 04 August 2010 - 10:34 PM.

[firesflame4]

debandgeek12, on Aug 4 2010, 11:20 PM, said:

In the video, the plunger moves back kind of slowly. Does it need lube, or am I just not used to the plunger travel speed of homemades?

No, he has a pvc end cap with small holes in it on the blaster so it's not dry firing. Very good work Split. Are your going to be bringing this to Apoc?

[Split]

We're not allowed to post comments in the homemades pictures thread anymore. Sort of implies that if you want feedback or discussion, you need a thread. Personally, I think that thread with comments saved a ton of topics from being posted, but that's just me. Homemades are different from paintjobs in that they actually influence further development in the guns themselves. Painting techniques and whatnot have their place, I don't deny that, but small new improvements that many need explanation usually don't need an entire topic. I supah-digress.

This will totally be at apoc.

Some general rate of fire numbers: I was getting around 1.5 darts per second without slamfire (can also been seen the the chopper video, though chops is stronger than me and thereby isn't going at full speed). Now I'm getting about 2.667 darts per second (16 shots from a chopper in 6 seconds). Supah fast.

I'll edit in some more material to this thread later - my templates, the writeup, more detailed videos, etc. The main issue is that Apoc is in like, 3 days and I have a LOT of stuff to get done.

At the dumb off-hand comment by debandgeek, there are perks to contributing to the community. I don't see why that's a problem. If you put in a lot of time, money and work to help others, would you rather have it recognized and credited, or have other people take credit and spend their time on secret projects where they only post on their "special" site?

Edited by Split, 05 August 2010 - 12:14 AM.

[Draconis]

Split, on Aug 4 2010, 08:58 PM, said:

Where they only post on their "special" site?

We should start a voting thread to see which site is the most "special" of them all.

On Topic: Awesome work on this, Split. I was wondering if it was going to be the next step in your development track.

[BustaNinja]

I see no dick on the side of it, thus it can't really be valid as cool or hip.

Naw, its pretty awesome. I like the idea of the slam firing. It doesn allow for better ROF, but at the same, completely unnecessary. A regular pump bow already shoots fast enough.

[Fome]

I like how quick and easy it is to switch from slam fire to normal fire.



Haha! I kid. This is the tits.

Are you working on a way to make it more streamlined?
Edit: and I agree, homemades are where da future of nerf is. The homemade picture thread definitely benefits from discussion.

Edited by Fome, 05 August 2010 - 01:17 AM.

[Split]

BustaNinja, on Aug 5 2010, 01:22 AM, said:

It doesn allow for better ROF, but at the same, completely unnecessary.

Uh, what? the "n" on the end of "does" is a bit confusing. It certainly allows for higher rate of fire though. Perhaps in 1v1 it's not going to make a difference, sure. At something like Apoc though, where the teams are 50 v 50, there may be some big rushes that need to be quelled or whatnot. This also opens up new group strategies since I can provide lots of long range cover fire. Unloading a 20 dart clip on a big group while my teammates move to a better position or for the rush? I'd say it's far from completely unnecessary. Also, Defend the core?

Fome, on Aug 5 2010, 02:13 AM, said:

I like how quick and easy it is to switch from slam fire to normal fire.



Haha! I kid. This is the tits.

Are you working on a way to make it more streamlined?

You're a clever one! You can pull the trigger while it's in slam-fire mode. The main reason to switch is if you want only trigger.

I really don't know what you mean by more streamlined. It's one 1/16" wire that is kept out of the way at all points. Strategically placed screws keep it from snagging while priming and aligned where it needs to be. If I had to make a scratch slambow... I might change some minor things, but it's pretty good as-is.

Edited by Split, 05 August 2010 - 10:27 AM.

[debandgeek12]

Split, on Aug 4 2010, 11:58 PM, said:

At the dumb off-hand comment by debandgeek, there are perks to contributing to the community. I don't see why that's a problem. If you put in a lot of time, money and work to help others, would you rather have it recognized and credited, or have other people take credit and spend their time on secret projects where they only post on their "special" site?

I understand that there are perks to contributing. I was just saying that because I haven't done that, I don't have the perk of being sarcastic-type. From what I've seen, most non-contributors that make sarcastic comments are extremely erotic. I just don't like taking risks.
And to answer your question, assuming it isn't rhetorical, I would obviously have in credited, but then again, the question sounds a bit rhetorical.

EDIT:If it makes me sound less nublidite, I find this useful, for zerg rushing and also long range. Thank you Split.

Edited by debandgeek12, 05 August 2010 - 10:47 AM.

[TantumBull]

I'm a bit confused about slamfire. It looked as if your finger wasn't even on the trigger while you were slam firing. If this is so, than how could you also fire normally (while in "slamfire mode") like you said you could in response to Fome's comment. I must have missed something in the video, sorry.

[Split]

TantumBull, on Aug 5 2010, 12:04 PM, said:

I'm a bit confused about slamfire. It looked as if your finger wasn't even on the trigger while you were slam firing. If this is so, than how could you also fire normally (while in "slamfire mode") like you said you could in response to Fome's comment. I must have missed something in the video, sorry.

Push the priming handle almost all the way forward, pull the trigger.

[TantumBull]

Split, on Aug 5 2010, 09:24 AM, said:

TantumBull, on Aug 5 2010, 12:04 PM, said:

I'm a bit confused about slamfire. It looked as if your finger wasn't even on the trigger while you were slam firing. If this is so, than how could you also fire normally (while in "slamfire mode") like you said you could in response to Fome's comment. I must have missed something in the video, sorry.

Push the priming handle almost all the way forward, pull the trigger.

Ah, I see. Maybe you could put a little bar in that you just then slide down to block the priming bar from coming all the way forward and engaging the catch. Then you could completely toggle slamfire without having to unhook the wire.

Also, forgot to mention this originally, but great job on the blaster. I love the added option of slamfire, something that hasn't been done before to a homemade blaster. Now to go see if this is adaptable to a PAS...

Edited by TantumBull, 05 August 2010 - 11:44 AM.

[Split]

TantumBull, on Aug 5 2010, 12:43 PM, said:

Maybe you could put a little bar in that you just then slide down to block the priming bar from coming all the way forward and engaging the catch. Then you could completely toggle slamfire without having to unhook the wire.

When you move the plunger handle forward, you can feel when the tension in the wire increases, meaning that it's starting to pull on the trigger. Just stop there.

That method of toggling is interesting though. I'll see what I can come up with.

In all fairness, it takes less than 20 seconds to switch between the two while I'm explaining it in the video. Less than 10 seconds if I have to just do it. Doesn't seem like that much of a problem; you won't be doing it constantly, if not only between rounds (such as switching to a DTC round).

Edit: accidentally responded within the quote.

Edited by Split, 05 August 2010 - 04:04 PM.

[BustaNinja]

I mean't does, but I fail at type sometimes.

At ILFF, the hoppers came it handy during defend the core, but that was because it was a barrage of well placed shots. I sense that fewer darts will make it in to the core because of the nature of the slam firing, but I could be totally wrong.

[Fome]

Split, on Aug 5 2010, 09:50 AM, said:

That method of toggling is interesting though. I'll see what I can come up with.

That's what I meant by "streamlining".

A quick toggle switch or button (I'm sure you could come up with something) would make this much more practical on the field. 1/2 a second compared to 10 seconds is really quite a difference, I really doubt you're gonna hear "hey Split, in about 15 seconds our team is planning on rushing you, you wanna toggle your gun real quick so you're ready?"

[Split]

Fome, on Aug 5 2010, 09:50 PM, said:

I really doubt you're gonna hear "hey Split, in about 15 seconds our team is planning on rushing you, you wanna toggle your gun real quick so you're ready?"

Split, on Aug 5 2010, 09:09 AM, said:

You can pull the trigger while it's in slam-fire mode. The main reason to switch is if you want only trigger.

Split, on Aug 5 2010, 12:50 PM, said:

Doesn't seem like that much of a problem; you won't be doing it constantly, if not only between rounds (such as switching to a DTC round).

An obvious strategy presents itself! Keep it in slamfire mode the whole time! You can be rush proof and still use a trigger when need be! 0 seconds is less than 1/2 second! Mind blowing, I know.

Edited by Split, 05 August 2010 - 09:36 PM.

[deadshooter711]

Split, on Aug 5 2010, 06:36 PM, said:

Fome, on Aug 5 2010, 09:50 PM, said:

I really doubt you're gonna hear "hey Split, in about 15 seconds our team is planning on rushing you, you wanna toggle your gun real quick so you're ready?"

Split, on Aug 5 2010, 09:09 AM, said:

You can pull the trigger while it's in slam-fire mode. The main reason to switch is if you want only trigger.

Split, on Aug 5 2010, 12:50 PM, said:

Doesn't seem like that much of a problem; you won't be doing it constantly, if not only between rounds (such as switching to a DTC round).

An obvious strategy presents itself! Keep it in slamfire mode the whole time! You can be rush proof and still use a trigger when need be! 0 seconds is less than 1/2 second! Mind blowing, I know.

Seems mathematically reasonable to me.

[Fome]

Split, on Aug 5 2010, 07:36 PM, said:

An obvious strategy presents itself! Keep it in slamfire mode the whole time! You can be rush proof and still use a trigger when need be! 0 seconds is less than 1/2 second! Mind blowing, I know.

You're going to get accidental misfires as you return the foregrip, then. I'm sure it's easy to "feel" the pull in a nice controlled environment, but if you're run-and-gunning or you have people shooting at you, it's going to be a lot more difficult to return the foregrip without engaging the slam fire.

Also, for someone who makes simple homemade guns, which in the grand scheme of engineering and human development, is a pretty fucking insignificant achievement, you're kind of an egotistical douche. Come at me with that attitude when you cure cancer, bro.



Feedback is good, realize that. I'm not trying to detract from your work at all, I think it's awesome, but a mechanical toggle would greatly improve the actual usability of this device. Tantumbull had a good suggestion, another simple toggle switch could function by sliding back and forth in the path of where the wire turns, essentially increasing or decreasing the length of wire required to engage the trigger.

Edit: I drew a shitty picture in paint.


Double Edit: Actually, these toggles would be more effective if they were blocking the foregrip from returning all the way to the front instead of lengthening the wire. But if it's really as easy to control as you say it is, then yeah you're right, it's not necessary.

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I'm not sure how many wars you've been to (and that's not a slight at you at all), but being a good nerfer is about keeping a clear head and being mindful of what you're doing. There's also very little "running and gunning." It's not a free for all in confined quarters. Know what you're doing, where people are and what they're doing and you'll do much better. That alone should keep you from accidentally firing, but it goes on:

If there's one thing I've gleaned from my small wars with friends and family (I live in North Idaho, can't be helped), it's that if your gun has an issue, however small, it's going to make itself very fucking problematic once people start shooting at you and you want to shoot at them back. You can zen-strategize all you want about how you're going to deal with this - or you could add a simple toggle switch, which is what I've been arguing all along. You would have realized this if you were more focused about arguing the point instead of arguing with me.

Edited by Fome, 06 August 2010 - 04:49 AM.

[Split]

Is it really egotistical to point out the faults in your arguments? I think you're just overreacting and trying to save face, which is much more egotistical than just admitting when you had an oversight. It happens to all of us. You made the silly joke about people announcing that they were going to rush me, I made the silly joke about how mind blowing that you don't have to change modes. Really don't understand why you choose now to try and blow up my spot. You can make jokes at me, but I can't at you? Want to look up the word ego again?

I'm not sure how many wars you've been to (and that's not a slight at you at all), but being a good nerfer is about keeping a clear head and being mindful of what you're doing. There's also very little "running and gunning." It's not a free for all in confined quarters. Know what you're doing, where people are and what they're doing and you'll do much better. That alone should keep you from accidentally firing, but it goes on:

It is a very heavy pull to fire it with the slam fire. It's easily done with a lot of momentum (such as when you're slam firing), but if you're returning the plunger at a normal rate, there is a significant resistance. It's a fully compressed [k26] spring on a nylon rod with a perpendicular plate eating all of the friction, with a with with added tension wrapping around 3-4 pivots for additional friction. You also have to pull it with that good amount of force for about 5/8". It's not something you're going to accidentally do, even if you're in a rush. You haven't held the gun. I don't expect you to know that, but you're really taking this much too far.

That said, I acknowledged that there is merit to his idea, and said I would see what I could come up with. I don't anticipate changing modes very often, but it is certainly potentially much quicker. It could be improved. I'm willing work towards improving it. I'm not sure how much more you're asking for here.



As for the feedback, I accepted his feedback, You even quoted it. I don't need you to reiterate it without adding anything - that's not constructive at all.

So yeah, for an egotistical douche, I'm going to be the better man and not freak out on the internet. Take a chill pill. Really no need to try to belittle me over something that you seem to believe is insignificant, right?

Edited by Split, 06 August 2010 - 03:10 AM.