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[sputnik]

It's probably laundry day at Slug's house, and all that was left in the dresser were the grouchy pants.

I wish I could sig that...

[VACC]

Seriously, this is what you people are doing with your time? If someone can name me 3 solid examples of how, say, the 100 page vulcan speculation nightmare actually proved useful, I'll consider not shutting this down before it becomes any more of an eyesore.

[slowguitarman]

It's probably laundry day at Slug's house, and all that was left in the dresser were the grouchy pants.

I wish I could sig that...

Totally siggified.

[shadowkid33]

It's probably laundry day at Slug's house, and all that was left in the dresser were the grouchy pants.

How is he being grouchy? He is 100% right, speculation threads accomplish nothing. Wait for the gun to hit shelves, then check it out.

[Draconis]

If someone can name me 3 solid examples of how, say, the 100 page vulcan speculation nightmare actually proved useful, I'll consider not shutting this down before it becomes any more of an eyesore.

It keeps the new kids occupied, when they would otherwise be asking for help fixing their SSPBs. If the thread even falls to the second page, then we have new threads popping up with "OMG New GUNZ!". It's certainly not productive in any stretch of the imagination, but it cuts down on all the rest of the crap, and keeps all of the information everyone WANTS to see in one place.

How is he being grouchy? He is 100% right, speculation threads accomplish nothing. Wait for the gun to hit shelves, then check it out.

We are all aware of that. But you are reading it, aren't you? Exactly.

[NightCabbage]

So it definitely looks like it'll be a wind-up drum.

Also, did anyone else notice that the Raider fires the dart when the "pump" handle reaches the front of the gun?
Maybe there's just a second trigger there, and that's the "slam mode".

Also, as long as the talk in the thread isn't offensive, or doesn't turn into a spam-fest or a flame-war, I don't really see a problem with letting people talk about a new gun. That's my definition of what a forum is for - letting people talk about a common subject.

[Drew is nerfing]

seems to be crap to me. I can only asume it will have a reverse plunger, which we know from the recon sucks. The drum mag is interesting...but it seems a bit, overkill? Besides, it would only be compatible with the recon and longshot, and if you singled either you can't use it anyway. ALthough I can see how an angel breeched LS with one of those clips might be deadly in a war. The fact that it has the same head means it will accept standard clips too. Also, I can't imagine a way to make this thing shoot stefans. Looks like you guys are gonna need to use stock or half stefans with this puppy.

[CaptainSlug]

Some of the speculation on how things might work, when they turned out not to be the case, inspired modders to try those things for themselves anyway.

Not "examples" I know.

Still, New ideas --> good.

This thread does not contain any new ideas.
You are arguing that speculation, conjecture, and theory threads have somehow added to this hobby in a tangible way. I cannot disagree more.

If such threads are left to grow, in my experience the opposite is true. People end up spending time arguing/posturing in threads about what will or will not work instead of running practical experiments. Ideas/theories are WORTHLESS if they're not tested. This is why design threads are discouraged.

This kind of thread however is even more pointless, because you're arguing about how something that already exists functions. What is the point in doing so? Bragging rights that your theory was correct?
You will only be able to find out for sure when the product hits the shelves. And then you may discover that you may have wasted a load of time since the images you spent so much time over-interpreting were in fact those of a demonstrational prototype that didn't reach mass-production in exactly the same form.

Edited by CaptainSlug, 17 February 2009 - 07:19 PM.

[foxdemon82]

Do you think this could be modded in any way to shoot stefans....I think its possible (sort of)

Edited by foxdemon82, 17 February 2009 - 07:19 PM.

[Oni Kadaki]

Some of the speculation on how things might work, when they turned out not to be the case, inspired modders to try those things for themselves anyway.

Not "examples" I know.

Still, New ideas --> good.

This thread does not contain any new ideas.
You are arguing that speculation, conjecture, and theory threads have somehow added to this hobby in a tangible way. I cannot disagree more.

If such threads are left to grow, in my experience the opposite is true. People end up spending time arguing/posturing in threads about what will or will not work instead of running practical experiments. Ideas/theories are WORTHLESS if they're not tested. This is why design threads are discouraged.

This kind of thread however is even more pointless, because you're arguing about how something that already exists functions. What is the point in doing so? Bragging rights that your theory was correct?
You will only be able to find out for sure when the product hits the shelves. And then you may discover that you may have wasted a load of time since the images you spent so much time over-interpreting were in fact those of a demonstrational prototype that didn't reach mass-production in exactly the same form.

The "point" that you ask for is that some of us, namely, those of us who continue to post in this thread, enjoy speculating on the blaster's function, utility and modability based on the few bits of actual info that we have. I understand that such a discussion has no value in your eyes, slug, as well as, in all probability, those of the moderators/administrators. That said, I think that until the thread becomes harmful in some way it should remain open, simply to help stop new threads from popping up, if for no other reason. That way, we who actually enjoy such threads get our SINGLE cesspool of baseless speculation, as opposed to multiple such threads popping up (hopefully). As for the people who don't like such threads, aside from the administrators and moderators, who have to monitor the thread for violations, there is no reason you have to read the thread.

[SchizophrenicMC]

In response to all the "it fires when the handle is forward", I had an epiphany today.

It's only coincidence that it does that.

When you prime the plunger, normally, it hits a catch. Well, if you hold down the trigger, the catch is non-existant. From there, it's like a ratchet: It goes over the pump handle the one way, and when you pull back, it's caught for the full stroke.

Just speculation, but it would seem to be a new idea...


And, to VACC, I wasn't here during the Vulcan craze, so don't kill me, please?

[Salmon]

In response to all the "it fires when the handle is forward", I had an epiphany today.

It's only coincidence that it does that.

When you prime the plunger, normally, it hits a catch. Well, if you hold down the trigger, the catch is non-existant. From there, it's like a ratchet: It goes over the pump handle the one way, and when you pull back, it's caught for the full stroke.

Just speculation, but it would seem to be a new idea...


And, to VACC, I wasn't here during the Vulcan craze, so don't kill me, please?

But then, if I'm understanding you, it'd be as bad as a push-pull gun, except with a spring. You mean that its just pulling back the plunger and releasing it? I somehow don't think that would work.

[sputnik]

But then, if I'm understanding you, it'd be as bad as a push-pull gun, except with a spring. You mean that its just pulling back the plunger and releasing it? I somehow don't think that would work.

The Nerf Bow N Arrow.

[Robonerfer1]

N-force swords


Look at the gun in the right of the big picture with the Nerf 40th anniversary logo, it could be the Stormfire.
Also, the raider still looks awesome.

[Salmon]

But then, if I'm understanding you, it'd be as bad as a push-pull gun, except with a spring. You mean that its just pulling back the plunger and releasing it? I somehow don't think that would work.

The Nerf Bow N Arrow.

Touché.

So, a pull-and-release kind of thing.
I can see that.
Couldn't be very accurate though...

Edited by Salmon, 17 February 2009 - 11:51 PM.

[sputnik]

But then, if I'm understanding you, it'd be as bad as a push-pull gun, except with a spring. You mean that its just pulling back the plunger and releasing it? I somehow don't think that would work.

The Nerf Bow N Arrow.

Touché.

So, a pull-and-release kind of thing.
I can see that.
Couldn't be very accurate though...

Only in slam fire mode.
Otherwise, it would catch until you pulled the trigger.

[Split]

You can see that he's not letting the handle go in the video. He seriously slides the handle forward, and when it's finally there, the dart fires. Which is how I drew up that conclusion.

[Hell Gunner]

I would have had the whole barrel thing aiming down instead of up myself, but other than that it looks awesome! I'd love to plug that ammo barrel into my Recon CS-6!

[sputnik]

You can see that he's not letting the handle go in the video. He seriously slides the handle forward, and when it's finally there, the dart fires. Which is how I drew up that conclusion.

It could be kinda like a reverse Arrowstorm...

Who knows.

[SchizophrenicMC]

Well, it's just speculation. Personally, I'm not set on anything until I get my hands on its internals.

[Firefox551]

That is freaking briliant.

[Heartw0rk]

Distance doesn't matter to me. I'm going to buy this simply for the clip and use it with my modded Longshot for HvZ. I've been in a lot of firefights/showdowns in the game with a bunch of 6-round clips and managed, but going-- at minimum-- 29 shots before reload? This is exactly what I needed.

[diamondbacknf1626]

You can see that he's not letting the handle go in the video. He seriously slides the handle forward, and when it's finally there, the dart fires. Which is how I drew up that conclusion.

It could be kinda like a reverse Arrowstorm...

Who knows.

Nobody knows, and nobody will know until they actually see the internals of the gun. But I think I have an idea. I believe it was briefly mentioned earlier in the thread, but not in detail. There could be some form of "trigger" towards the front of the gun. Therefore, there would be two triggers that have to be depressed in order to fire the weapon. This fits, because in regular single fire mode, the handle would have to be all the way forward in order to pull the trigger. This could be because pushing it forward activiates that other trigger. Once it's forward, you can pull the main trigger to fire. However, in slam fire, since the first trigger is held down, you only have one to deal with, and when you slide the handle forward, it fires the gun. This could mean two catches, or some form of two stage catch. But like many others have said in the thread, nobody will no exactly until they actually have the gun in their hands, no matter how much speculation there is.

[SchizophrenicMC]

You can see that he's not letting the handle go in the video. He seriously slides the handle forward, and when it's finally there, the dart fires. Which is how I drew up that conclusion.

It could be kinda like a reverse Arrowstorm...

Who knows.

Nobody knows, and nobody will know until they actually see the internals of the gun. But I think I have an idea. I believe it was briefly mentioned earlier in the thread, but not in detail. There could be some form of "trigger" towards the front of the gun. Therefore, there would be two triggers that have to be depressed in order to fire the weapon. This fits, because in regular single fire mode, the handle would have to be all the way forward in order to pull the trigger. This could be because pushing it forward activiates that other trigger. Once it's forward, you can pull the main trigger to fire. However, in slam fire, since the first trigger is held down, you only have one to deal with, and when you slide the handle forward, it fires the gun. This could mean two catches, or some form of two stage catch. But like many others have said in the thread, nobody will no exactly until they actually have the gun in their hands, no matter how much speculation there is.

I doubt there are two triggers. The forward handle doesn't look like it has one.

[diamondbacknf1626]

You can see that he's not letting the handle go in the video. He seriously slides the handle forward, and when it's finally there, the dart fires. Which is how I drew up that conclusion.

It could be kinda like a reverse Arrowstorm...

Who knows.

Nobody knows, and nobody will know until they actually see the internals of the gun. But I think I have an idea. I believe it was briefly mentioned earlier in the thread, but not in detail. There could be some form of "trigger" towards the front of the gun. Therefore, there would be two triggers that have to be depressed in order to fire the weapon. This fits, because in regular single fire mode, the handle would have to be all the way forward in order to pull the trigger. This could be because pushing it forward activiates that other trigger. Once it's forward, you can pull the main trigger to fire. However, in slam fire, since the first trigger is held down, you only have one to deal with, and when you slide the handle forward, it fires the gun. This could mean two catches, or some form of two stage catch. But like many others have said in the thread, nobody will no exactly until they actually have the gun in their hands, no matter how much speculation there is.

I doubt there are two triggers. The forward handle doesn't look like it has one.

Not a visable trigger, I might've been unclear. I meant some form of plate serving as a trigger within the actual shell of the gun, so that pushing the handle forward, and therefore pusing it against the plate, actuates it. Therefore, having the handle in the forward position activates one stage of the catch, while pulling the actual trigger activates the final stage of the catch, therefore firing the gun. In slam mode, the trigger's already pulled, therefore all that's necessary is to activate the catch by pushing the handle forward (giving the "slam fire" effect). Or I could be completely wrong, and it could be something entirely different. Only time will tell.