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[xtremejumpy]

I noticed the huge clip lock, and speculation on how the drum advanced. Then thought about how it could be advanced by the gun. What if it was sorta advanced like a maverick? I mean the turret with those weird teeth. I think its plausible, just for the fact it may make it easier to load and make more sense in the pump action design.

[durka durka]

@those thinking the mag clip is gravity fed/incompatible with the longshot:

Just got this from a google alert:

NERF N-STRIKE RAIDER RAPID FIRE CS 35

(Ages 6 years & up/Approx. Retail Price: $34.99/Available: Fall 09)

As Hasbro’s iconic Nerf brand celebrates its 40th anniversary in 2009, get ready for the highest dart capacity NERF blaster yet. The NERF N-STRIKE RAIDER RAPID FIRE CS 35 is the next big thing from NERF’s popular N-STRIKE line of dart blasters and features a collapsible stock and new drum magazine that holds 35 darts and is interchangable with the NERF N-STRIKE RECON CS-6 and NERF N-STRIKE LONGSHOT CS-6. By holding the trigger and pumping, players can instantly transition between “single” fire and “slam” fire mode, unleashing a rapid stream of 35 darts. Complete with a removable shoulder stock and Tactical Rail System allowing players to customize their blaster for each mission, the NERF N-STRIKE RAIDER RAPID FIRE CS 35 also features a cool “digital camo” pattern unlike any NERF blaster before it.

Since this mag clip is compatible with the longshot (and recon, but who cares) it would be safe to assume that the clip (at least the part going into the gun) is not gravity fed. I don't know how they did it, but I am sure glad they figured it out.

[TheNerfLoki]

From the handle, the stroke is tiny. Shame. I hope it's at least 3", so we can get a solid, sealing breech on there.

Split, look at the priming handle as compared to the streamline dart. It looks to be just less than twice the length of the dart.Sorry, I just woke up and had bad perspective.

Edited by TheNerfLoki, 17 February 2009 - 07:05 PM.

[slowguitarman]

There is some kind of black-looking follower taking up two of the possible 36 spaces around the drum.

Actually, the "around" part of the drum has 31 spaces.

[TantumBull]

I could care less about the gun. I just want my hands on that fucking clip.

[Split]

I'd say more like 1 1/4 times the length of a streamline, which would translate to barely over 3". Anyway, watching the video gives a pretty relative look at the stroke. That was mainly how I determined that it was tiny.

[Glint]

Keep in mind, Split, that the mechanism which pushes/pulls back the plunger tube could most very likely be attached at the front of the priming handle, extending the stroke by another good dart length or a bit more.

[CrazyIvan VI]

Keep in mind, Split, that the mechanism which pushes/pulls back the plunger tube could most very likely be attached at the front of the priming handle, extending the stroke by another good dart length or a bit more.

No, it would be the same, no matter where it is attached. The front and back of the priming handle move the same amount, the front cannot go any farther in relation than the back can.

Just think about it for a second, it should click.

[foxdemon82]

I had some timehink about the raider and this is what I came up with....

1. Digi-camo? its so hard to see thats a fail........but nothing some paint and a brush can't fix right Naz?

2.I love that drum magazine....Always wanted to turn my recon into a Riot gun but onthe raider,it looks like if you hit it off a door way or a branch or something...well no awesome drum magazine for you (aso dropping it doesn't look like it would help either)

3.Overall this gun is way better than the last two N-strike guns with this much fanfare *cough cough* RECON,VULCAN *cough cough*

[Glint]

No, it would be the same, no matter where it is attached. The front and back of the priming handle move the same amount, the front cannot go any farther in relation than the back can.

Just think about it for a second, it should click.

Ah, holy crap I'm retarded. I didn't think before I posted. Sorry, you're right

[SchizophrenicMC]

So it has ABSOLUTELY NO RANGE. So what? For the indoor fighters, this gun has found its niche. Unfortunately, not all wars are indoor. Oh well, I guess that's too bad. Just do what you can for it, I guess. I only hope the plunger is bigger than the Recon's, even if it is reverse-plungered. Something tels me someone'll replace the internals with LS ints modified to suit the "slam fire" mode.

[Salindin Naz]

1. Digi-camo? its so hard to see thats a fail........but nothing some paint and a brush can't fix right Naz?

Word, true 'dat (I say and flash an unintelligible and non-existent gang sign)!! For my own personal Raider, I'll probably just sand all that crap off, but if I get two, or someone wants it painted up, it would be interesting to do all those little bits of texture up in a real digital camo pattern.


Salindin

[BRF726]

So if you took a pump action recon, someone did that on the haven, a drum mag, someone else did that here, and a reinforced stock, also done here, then you get this gun. I like it, the drum mag is just so cool. It's like hasbro knows about this forum... gasp!!

[J cobbers]

So here's a theory about how the last few darts get pushed out of the big old drum clip. The last two spots in the clip hold some sort of black plastic device that I would bet is a two part follower to push last few darts up. I imagine that when it reaches the end of the drum it flips up into the part that looks like a normal LS or Recon clip, one half staying down in the drum, the other pushing the darts up, and both connected by a spring like that in a standard LS clip. When reloading the clip, you don't rotate the drum til you've pushed enough darts down for the follower to be pushed back together.

That being said, looking at the gun itself, it looks like a Recon with the clip mechanism rotated to the side. The rear of the gun looks like it has a similar plunger set up, but I bet you can put a new spring behind it in the stock with a little dremel work. Not too impressed with the stock ranges from the video, but lets face it the clip is what we're all excited about.

As for the other guns in this thread, the 10 round drum ones look promising especially if air powered, and I wonder what new saftey features will be added to try and thwart our modding efforts. The mystery pistol by shoes and swords puzzels me, but I'd agree that it looks like it may have a pump, and therefore reminds me of the old Super Maxx 500.

Guess I'll just have to wait like everyone else to find out how good these guns are.

[darthmonkey]

Since this mag clip is compatible with the longshot (and recon, but who cares) it would be safe to assume that the clip (at least the part going into the gun) is not gravity fed. I don't know how they did it, but I am sure glad they figured it out.

Dude, use the recon pistol sized (with all the attachments removed) with the new clip will be awesome. A 35 shot 'pistol'?

Seriously, though, this looks to be all about the 35 shots, I just hope we can get the drum by itself, because the gun itself doesn't seem promising in terms of performance. At least not compared to the longshot.

[Oni Kadaki]

Both the gun and the drum are great for assassin games, and anything else indoor for that matter. The drum, as said above, goes very well with the recon, especially if one is trying to be discreet, as in assassin. Both the drum and the recon can fit into my backpack, along with my books and such. As for the gun itself, it offers, in all probability, at least the range of the recon, with a more ergonomic cocking mechanism that doesn't force you to move your hands.

Edited by Oni Kadaki, 17 February 2009 - 12:46 AM.

[bobafan]

I've got something to add to this dungheap of speculation.
http://www.pr-inside...ic-r1059012.htm
I guess nobody else read the whole article as it was posted in the nerf championship thread.
2 new blasters are described. The furyfire, which we have pictures of, and the stormfire blasters, which are not well described. The article also confirms some things about the raider.

Edited by bobafan, 17 February 2009 - 01:50 AM.

[Zorns Lemma]

So here's a theory about how the last few darts get pushed out of the big old drum clip. The last two spots in the clip hold some sort of black plastic device that I would bet is a two part follower to push last few darts up. I imagine that when it reaches the end of the drum it flips up into the part that looks like a normal LS or Recon clip, one half staying down in the drum, the other pushing the darts up, and both connected by a spring like that in a standard LS clip. When reloading the clip, you don't rotate the drum til you've pushed enough darts down for the follower to be pushed back together.

You sir, are a genius. I just assumed the two black things were spaceholders to prevent the torsion spring from completely unwinding. I never imagined that they were connected together via a spring and would thus form a movable/rotatable follower.

[foxdemon82]

1. Digi-camo? its so hard to see thats a fail........but nothing some paint and a brush can't fix right Naz?

Word, true 'dat (I say and flash an unintelligible and non-existent gang sign)!! For my own personal Raider, I'll probably just sand all that crap off, but if I get two, or someone wants it painted up, it would be interesting to do all those little bits of texture up in a real digital camo pattern.


Salindin

it would be interesting to see ACTUAL digi-camo on it....

[foxdemon82]

I've got something to add to this dungheap of speculation.
http://www.pr-inside...ic-r1059012.htm
I guess nobody else read the whole article as it was posted in the nerf championship thread.
2 new blasters are described. The furyfire, which we have pictures of, and the stormfire blasters, which are not well described. The article also confirms some things about the raider.

it seems like NERF is shifting most of its NERF basters torward their Dart Tag Line...

EDIT: Sorry for the double posting didn't mean to.

Edited by foxdemon82, 17 February 2009 - 06:57 AM.

[Split]

So here's a theory about how the last few darts get pushed out of the big old drum clip. The last two spots in the clip hold some sort of black plastic device that I would bet is a two part follower to push last few darts up. I imagine that when it reaches the end of the drum it flips up into the part that looks like a normal LS or Recon clip, one half staying down in the drum, the other pushing the darts up, and both connected by a spring like that in a standard LS clip. When reloading the clip, you don't rotate the drum til you've pushed enough darts down for the follower to be pushed back together.

You sir, are a genius. I just assumed the two black things were spaceholders to prevent the torsion spring from completely unwinding. I never imagined that they were connected together via a spring and would thus form a movable/rotatable follower.

You realize that he just said what Bob said a page ago?

Edited by Splitlip, 17 February 2009 - 09:12 AM.

[Zorns Lemma]

You realize that he just said what Bob said a page ago?

Bob's mechanism is a two-dart wide follower attached to the the rotation mechanism inside the drum. This didn't make much sense given the yellow flap protruding from the mag allows only 1-dart width of rotation and movement at a time.

[CaptainSlug]

All of this conjecture is obnoxious and stupid. Just wait until it hits store shelves or another opportunity where you can examine it yourself.

[NerfGrassHopper]

Ok, this gun look's awsome. But the gun part looks like a recon so I am hoping this thing will be a recon on steroids with a higher rate of fire then the vulcan. With a awsome digital camo paint scheme.

[Draconis]

No one is twisting your arm to read it.

You never know... I could see VACC doing that... Have to agree though. It's probably laundry day at Slug's house, and all that was left in the dresser were the grouchy pants.