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Homemade Vortex Discs

04 September 2011 - 02:28 PM

When I first saw the Vortex disc, I thought they would be pretty simple to make - just get a foam disc and punch a hole in it, right?

The foam disc broke. Consequent attempts also failed.

To make it work in the stock blaster, the disc must satisfy three main requirements:
1. Correct height/thickness. There's two buttons that must be pressed, on the top and bottom of the "barrel," in order for the trigger to be pulled.
2. The hole in the middle of the disc must have sturdy walls and be about the right size. This allows the disc to actually fire well.
3. Low friction. Self-explanatory.

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Silicone mold. Used for molding any disc-shaped things. I used Oogoo, AKA silicone + cornstarch as a catalyst. Basically the same as the gumdrop darts material, chemical-resistant so most materials don't stick well. Hot glue just falls off.

Actually didn't need to use this in my current version of disc-making, but just throwing this out there as a possible mold material.

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Failed designs.

Blue is pure foam, I was stupid and didn't think about how the disc was going to fire before I tried it. This actually worked for 2-3 shots, but then the foam broke. This is pretty good-quality closed cell foam too.

Yellow is silicone, the actual yellow part is felt that I stuck in there for structural stability. Waaayyy too much grippiness on this, it also folded up and got stuck in the barrel repeatedly.

Green is bottle cap with craft foam, it shoots but is unstable and bottlecaps might be hard to get. I had to cut it to the right height, which is another step I'd like to remove.

White is hot glue. The silicone does not stick to hot glue at all, so it was incredibly easy to get the whole thing. Problem is, it's too heavy.

Brown is my "bottlecap+Model Magic" disc, which failed horribly on two levels. Model Magic is that Crayola air-dry clay stuff, dries foamy. This disc failed to fire, and Model Magic actually stuck to the silicone mold even when dry so it was annoying to remove.

Red one's pretty successful, but the hot glue just doesn't cut it for durability. After 10 or so shots, the hot glue started cracking.

So you need solid durable material for the inner edge, and it needs to be fairly light so it goes somewhere.

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What you need to have:
3/4" THINWALL PVC
Craft Foam
Hot Glue + Glue gun, or similar glue.
Thin plastic sheet or duct tape

Thanks to Kyrativ for suggesting wrapping the PVC before cutting. It is pretty fast, just glue, cut, and glue.

Glue craft foam around the PVC until you reach a diameter similar to that of a Vortex disc, 4 cm or a hair more than 1.5 inches.
Already cut once, but you get the idea. Number of layers depends on foam thickness, but it'll probably be three or four layers thick.
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And then make foam slices.
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If your slices end up being a bit too thick, make thinner slices. This is about the maximum. Anything more and you need to trim down the disc.
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You should cap it with duct tape or some kind of thin, resilient material, craft foam or duct tape.

And there you go. Do some fire testing.

Adjustments: You should be cutting each slice to a similar thickness, so there is little change in weight. My discs fly best with no extra hot glue, but if yours curve to the left consistently it might be a bit too light. Add some hot glue to the bottom side of the foam cap.

I've found that heavy discs curve to the right, so logically light discs would curve to the left...? Haven't made one that's light enough to do that though, so this is all theoretical.

Pump Bottle Pump Blaster

06 June 2011 - 07:20 PM

Simple pull-and-shoot blaster. It's like those toy bows... but it looks stupider, and works better.

A lot of these items can be substituted for other stuff, but this is how I did it.

Wire Cutters
Hot Glue + Hot Glue Gun
Tape
GOOP
Drill with drill bits, 1/16" for paperclip or same diameter as your nail (see below)
Sandpaper or file

Hand pump from TAP Plastics or similar. Gotta have a strong spring.
Handle Extension. Something that fits inside the hollow part of the hand pump. For me, this was a trash ballpoint pen.
Paper Clip (or thin nail)

Barrel:
PETG
OR
PVC Coupler + 1" stub of PVC and barrel of choice


So I found some hand pumps at TAP Plastics for sale: $1 each.
http://www.tapplasti...ct.php?pid=174
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It had a spring, really good airseal, and a handle. Pretty much all it needed to become a foam-flinging device was moving the spring location. And that was the problem - the handle was fused to the plunger rod.

Sticking the entire thing in boiling water would remove the parts, most likely, but there's still the problem of achieving maximum efficiency. The handle doesn't go all the way in when stock.
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There's a weird tab in the cap that prevents it from going further in, even without the spring.

So I made a new handle.

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Snip off the tip of the plunger tube, we don't need it. The ball bearing will fall out. Also remove the large pump part of the plunger.

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Seal the plunger with hot glue. It was designed to let air through, we don't want that.

Prepare your handle extension ballpoint pen. Wrap it in tape until it fits into the handle snugly. Push it about 1/2" in.

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Drill through your plunger/pen/tape with the 1/16" bit.
Then pull the pen out, apply GOOP, and stick it back in. Lock it in place with the help of GOOP + paperclip.

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Remove any metal or plastic that's sticking out with a file or sandpaper. The cap has very little gap, and if anything's poking out it'll get stuck.

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Stick the spring back on, lube it up with anything (No washer, so petroleum jelly is a go).

If it's PETG, your journey ends here. TAP Plastics pumps are just the right size for PETG to fit around.

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Otherwise, take a PVC coupler, hammer some PVC in that, and hot glue/goop it in.

I'm considering adding a cross-piece to the handle so it's easier to prime. Maybe a duct tape-wrapped nail.

Added that PVC coupler. Just stuck a lot of hot glue on it... works with any feed-assist hopper, which is what I'd expect from something with power like a modded NF. Gets more consistent ranges too. I was getting misfires with the PETG.

Still a work in progress, fixed the materials list. Working on making a trigger system...
If you can't order springs off McMaster, these are good viable springs. Not good for a primary, but for integrations and small sidearms, yes.

Mcmaster Mega Stefan Foam?

14 November 2010 - 11:14 PM

The McMaster-Carr info thread here mentions 5/8" FBR being
77605T442
It seems to be incredibly cheap, at $7.90 for 100 feet.

While the suggested micro stefan foam in a larger size,
93295K35
costs about as much as buying foam from Home Depot.

Is there a significant difference between the two? They have the same melting point and are both polyethylene. There's just the matter of the huge price difference...

Inline Shotgun Attachment

12 October 2010 - 11:30 PM

Inline clips. They're efficient and work with even low-volume pistols, and I've made an inline speedloader. The only drawback is their cumbersome length when using long barrels and large clips.

Multiple barrels make length not a problem.
It's also useful for zombie-slaying.

Pretty simple stuff.

Materials.
1 1/4" PVC Coupler
1 1/4" PVC (1.5" or so)
1" PVC (1" or so)
1/2" PVC
1/2" CPVC
Hot Glue
CA Glue
Space Filler (foam is nice)

A file/Dremel with grinding attachment/5/8" spade bit is also needed.


I started with a 1 1/4" straight coupler, and jammed three 1" stubs of PVC into it. If they don't fit, make them fit. I cut slots out. Then cut that end of the coupler to 1/2" or so.
Also build the other end, nesting pieces of scrap PVC to fit it. Glue with CA glue. Keep the two parts separate.
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Barrel sealing using foam and hot glue. Epoxy to hold it together. Posted Image

Then drill/grind out the 1/2" PVC so 1/2" CPVC fits in it like a coupler. Get three 1" stubs of CPVC and file it out until darts can be pushed through with minimal resistance. They should be thinner than in the pic here. It will prevent darts from falling out when tilted.
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Attach the two halves.
Make your PVC clips. Hammer your CPVC stubs about 1/2" in to the PVC.
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And go shoot zombies. I can't test it for realz because the most powerful blaster I have is a weakened SNAPistol.
Normal range: 45'.
Test with single barrel: 25'. I think there's an air leak somewhere.

Also looking back on this, it's basically a PVC shotgun attachment with an inline. ._.