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[bobafan]

On my test, I used a cup like this.
Nonsence man, If you think plastic cups and aluminum cans have similar properties under impact, you need to take physics. Also, shooting through paper isn't any great feat. Anyone could probably throw a dart through paper if they really wanted to.

My Titan was at 55 pumps, the limit I trust the tank.

PN, is this the same type of cup you used or was it more like foam or a dixie cup?

[precisionnerfer]

My word, you must have really screw up your titan. Does it get about 2 flat? because with a maverick and taggers you could make a slight dent in those cups. I used a real, store bought cup. Not the cheap kind either. It was flexible, but not like that. That's just the disposable kind.

[Thomas]

precisionnerfer, on Oct 7 2007, 08:55 PM, said:

My word, you must have really screw up your titan. Does it get about 2 flat? because with a maverick and taggers you could make a slight dent in those cups. I used a real, store bought cup. Not the cheap kind either. It was flexible, but not like that. That's just the disposable kind.

Dang, talk about High Bidder. Only the best plastic cups for this one!

Jay Kay

Good job, I think I'll mod my NF now.

[bobafan]

do you mean like this?

Actually, my titan shoots about 160' level.
Here is the dent

It did make some stretch marks around the edge also, but a lot short of a hole.

[precisionnerfer]

pretty much like that, just a bit thinner though... just a bit. I guess you had an unlucky shot with that titan. But anyways, no one will think less of you if it shoots that far. Kinda weird though. Let's get back on topic with the next posts, as this wasn't a cup cracking forum.

[precisionnerfer]

Mods, please excuse the double post; it's vital.
I updated the write up with important info on the limiter boring. It means life or death to your NF.

Gun testing update:
I contacted badger and since I messed up on 4 guns due to the limiter problem, [which I updated] Even my latest gun is defected in that way. I will send 20 CDTS to him, which are the same foam length, so he can shove them down the barrel to a certain point I will mark to get the perfect position. I have sent a confirmation email to him this morning, and will ship the gun upon his reply.

[WratH]

You can easily fix that problem while still maintaining airflow, if you just taped a piece of fishing line or something similar over the plunger end of your barrel. Works every time!

[precisionnerfer]

Well, when you glue all of them shut with amazing goop that could lead to problems.... Why do I do that? I glue alot of the empt space so it's not so loud and so the barrel screws and knobs will stay in place. Thanks anyway though.

[Spectre666]

Nice job precisionnerfer. I can't honestly trust the ranges until we get the results from badger, but no matter what, I'm doing this mod to my nf.

bobafan: There must be something wrong with your Titan, because mine blows a hole in one side of an xbox game case like paper, and it put a decent dent in a guitar, deeming the guitar unusable (of couse, that was at point blank though). Although I have to agree that I won't believe precisionnerfer's nf blew a hole in a cup like that until I see some sort of proof.

Edited by Spectre666, 16 October 2007 - 06:01 PM.

[bobafan]

Alright, but we're arguing about whether a NF can shoot through a cup, not a titan.
The way I prevent my darts from being swallowed by my NF is to cock them before I put in the dart.

[precisionnerfer]

That's what badger will have to do, and shove them down to a certain mark on the barrel. I just won't make another one for him to test and I can't take that one apart because I glued it shut.... I might stop doing that now though. I haven't seen him on the boards in a while and sent several pm's but I guess he's out of the house or something.

[badger]

A PM has been sent. I have been very busy as of late, but go ahead and send it. Oh, I am online everyday. I just don't have alot of time when I am online.

[Richomundo]

Not meaning to burst your bubble, but

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I said that my technique on the barrel was new, because you use the stock barrel and another barrel.

that's not new.

lazy boy NF mod

we did the same thing with our barrels, except you used cpvc and I used brass.

Good writeup, Regardless of the ranges you get. Talking about ranges is like a big dick waving contest.

If dremelling out the orange piece too much caused problems, remove that part from the writeup instead of saying "don't do this". It will make for a much cleaner presentation.

[precisionnerfer]

Yeah, I guess technically that's true. However your style of doing it made me overlook it completely... due to that you used a smaller barrel at then end of the stock barrel, which would produce less range then the stock barrel alone.... Unless you shoved it all the way back, then it's kind of the same, but you are not using the stock barrel to propel the dart at all, so it doesn't count. Actually I found on NHQ telekinetic did it as well, except more like mine, so I guess it's not new, just not common at all.
EDIT: Thanks for the suggestion though, I revised the "Don't do this" warning with something more sensible. Also I believe that the guys here had a right to flame my ranges, because they are abnormally high, and I'm a noob here, so it didn't make sense; they probably had thought I was just another eBay seller trying to make a fast buck off other noobs.

Edited by precisionnerfer, 18 October 2007 - 06:25 PM.

[keef]

Nice PN, you used all the things that could help. Props for serving to everyone (me included)

But the spring makes it SOOOO inaccurate, have you found a cure for that?

Thanks,
-keef

[precisionnerfer]

keef, on Oct 18 2007, 07:23 PM, said:

But the spring makes it SOOOO inaccurate, have you found a cure for that?

Sorry keef I didn't get that.* Do you mean the main, plunger spring or the catch spring.... or something else? Cutting a few rings off the main spring doesn't hurt the accuracy at all, as long as you put the cut-down side facing the back of the gun, with the even end of the spring behind the plunger head. I shoot mini stefans off my dresser for target practice with mine. Or do you not even mean shooting accuracy? Or am I totally missing the boat lol?
*[further clarification needed, you are messing with an idiot]

[keef]

The handyman spring. It makes the dart shoot wildy 65 feet.

[Lynx]

An ace 49 or handyman's spring in a stock barrel is inaccurate but, with a barrel replacement, it is A LOT better...

[Blasphemy]

I have to agree with Lynx. A barrel replacement will reduce innaccuracies such as fishtailing, but only to a certain extent. My disk shot with a #9713 spring and barrel replacement goes a maximum of 70 feet, but only about 65 feet without starting to fishtail. My guess would be that if you are looking to reduce such inaccuracies even more, go with an even longer barrel, a 6-inch barrel might be able to eliminate them up to the ranges of this modification.

Edited by Blasphemy, 18 October 2007 - 09:24 PM.

[Retiate]

I have modded two Nitefinders using the Handyman spring... Uncut. Both have pretty much the same barrel length (somewhere around 4.5"-4.75"), one is 17/32" brass and the other is OMC PETG.
Both guns shoot very accurately. I haven't measured ranges on either but I'd say they're shooting at least 70', with the PETG barreled one shooting further than the 17/32" brass one.
I'm using Angels red FBR weighted with a 3/0 fishing weight.

And nice write up PN.
The finished product is nice and clean, and the write up is very detailed.

Edited by Retiate, 18 October 2007 - 09:42 PM.

[precisionnerfer]

Well now that I know, let me tell you that even with a stock barrel, it shot pretty decently. Cutting the spring down makes a huge difference I should think, and when the telescoping stock/PETG barrel gets done, It's flying pretty straight. I can definitely relate to Retiate, they are very accurate indeed, sometimes too accurate for a handgun I would say. I'm testing the gun today, and shipping it to badger tomorrow.

[Dragoon]

I had a spare Nitefinder lying around so I decided to emulate PN's mod. The only thing I didn't do is the wood screw and washer since I didn't want to go to the hardware store for that. I followed his mod to the best of my ability, even creating the vacuum loading. I can somewhat see some validity in his claims. I shot my homemade Stefan (2 inch gray FBR with CS-styled head) and a Tagger Dart. The temperature outside is 58 F with barely noticeable (if any) wind. The Tagger Dart at level shot, which is my arms fully extended at shoulder height which is 5'0', went 38'5". The Stefan went 61'2". Both dart skips were ~2 ft. At a 10 degree angled firing, the Tagger went 64'3" while the Stefan went 87'. I doubt reinforcing the plunger with a washer and a wood screw would increase straight ranges by ~30 ft but his mod is still well done. Good job PN on the mod. But I'm excited to see Badger's analysis of your modification. And here is a picture of my Nitefinder.

[Retiate]

Dragoon, your barrel looks like it's angled downward slightly.

[Lynx]

I think you forgot the magical modifications with the magical stefans!

[precisionnerfer]

Lynx, on Oct 19 2007, 07:12 PM, said:

I think you forgot the magical modifications with the magical stefans!

Ahahaha.... that's so cute lynx.

Anyway yes I think your barrel is messed up, as retiate said. Your 10 angled degree ranges sound more like flat ones to me, and that barrel probably made the difference. It is on a downwards slope. The gun is also angled down slightly in the pic, so it's a little worse looking at it correctly.