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[amd93]

I was looking at buzzbee guns, and i saw this: http://www.buzzbeeto...2007/04790.html. It looks like the old Bow n Arrow (but I could be wrong).

PS I'm New, so if I did anything wrong, please tell me

[All Star]

Yep, that is basically the old Bow n' arrow, accept they made the plunger tube a bit bigger. No, you have done nothing wrong, it would be better though if you had asked a question. Welcome to nerf haven!




EDIT: Buzzbee bassically copied the nerf Bow n' arrow.

Edited by All Star, 06 August 2007 - 11:27 AM.

[Thom]

Still waiting for Nerf to re-release the Crossbow… ^_^

[TED]

Still waiting for Nerf to re-release the Crossbow…

Why? So you noobs can go and gay it up?

[Retiate]

No. The Crossbow will never be rereleased, and it shouldn't.

amd93, I have never seen that gun before. It looks like it might have some potention, as long as it isn't a pull and release gun. Nice find.

[TED]

No. The Crossbow will never be rereleased, and it shouldn't.

amd93, I have never seen that gun before. It looks like it might have some potention, as long as it isn't a pull and release gun. Nice find.

What the hell else would it be besides pull and release? That's kind of how bows are fired.

[Retiate]

What the hell else would it be besides pull and release? That's kind of how bows are fired.

I dunno, A bow with a catch? It looks like a massive plunger, so I thought it might have a catch. But then, I see no trigger...

[Retiate]

Several reasons. The Crossbow's value would be gone, and so would the coolness of owning one.
But, more importantly, what would wars be like if just about every single person had a long range, single shot primary (with a comfy stock)? It would be filled with stand offs, people wouldn't want to shoot first and risk missing, with the return fire shooting just as far and hard as your shot does. There'd be no diversity, every person would own a Crossbow. Rarely would you see someone with a different primary, maybe a few Longshots and AT3K's, but for the most part, everyone would have a slow RoF, long range single shot spring primary. Look at all the newer Nerf guns (not including pistols, I'm talking about the bigger ones), how many are single shot guns? I really can't think of any right now. There's a few knock off brand ones, but that's about it. I like Nerf being the fast paced, up close action it is with all the lower ranged, much more easily dodged guns. A few long ranged single shot guns are fine, they can add to the diversity and make games more fun. But every person using one won't make things more fun. Personally, I'm really undecided as to whether I want to use a Crossbow or not. Once I fix my Magstrike, I might just use that. I find it to be a lot more fun.

This is all just my opinion, you may think otherwise, but that's how I feel about the whole thing.

Edited by Retiate, 06 August 2007 - 08:56 PM.

[Thom]

Why? So you noobs can go and gay it up?

1. I know that the probability is low. That's what the smiley was for.
2. "Gay" is not a verb, nor can it reasonably be applied to inanimate pieces of plastic.
3. Implying that post count equates to nerfing or modding ability doesn't make me a noob, it makes you an idiot.

The Crossbow's value would be gone, and so would the coolness of owning one.

That sounds rather elitist. The entire reason I want them to be released is so that I could reasonably afford one on a college-student budget. This would admittedly suck for collectors, but it would rock for Nerfers.

But, more importantly, what would wars be like if just about every single person had a long range, single shot primary (with a comfy stock)? It would be filled with stand offs, people wouldn't want to shoot first and risk missing, with the return fire shooting just as far and hard as your shot does. There'd be no diversity, every person would own a Crossbow. Rarely would you see someone with a different primary, maybe a few Longshots and AT3K's, but for the most part, everyone would have a slow RoF, long range single shot spring primary. Look at all the newer Nerf guns (not including pistols, I'm talking about the bigger ones), how many are single shot guns? I really can't think of any right now. There's a few knock off brand ones, but that's about it. I like Nerf being the fast paced, up close action it is with all the lower ranged, much more easily dodged guns. A few long ranged single shot guns are fine, they can add to the diversity and make games more fun. But every person using one won't make things more fun. Personally, I'm really undecided as to whether I want to use a Crossbow or not. Once I fix my Magstrike, I might just use that. I find it to be a lot more fun.

I really doubt that this would happen. Crossbows are not the be-all, end-all of Nerfing. If they were so good that no one would use anything else, they would be banned from wars anyway. Just off the top of my head, you can get ranges comparable to or greater than a crossbow with a longshot, AT2K, or (L)BB, and all of them have their own advantages as well. Despite the fact that they are all available for far less than the cost of a crossbow, the scenario that you predict has not occurred. This is because it's trivially easy to surpass the RoF of a crossbow by getting a multi-shot gun or carrying a sidearm. The best NF mods reliably clear 70 feet and fit in a small pocket.

And at any rate, "hope that not everyone can afford one" is not a very good technique for balancing guns. One of the things that I like about Nerfing is that, unlike paintball or airsoft, even the best guns are cheap, with the longshot basically topping off the list at $30. The crossbow is a rare exception, and if it really was so good that anyone with enough money could gain a large advantage by buying one, I'd probably be in a different hobby. I want a crossbow because it's a good gun that looks and feels great, not because it's the be-all, end-all of Nerfing.

[b00m13]

Hell, I'd like one just to mod it. I never really get to play with my guns anyways, not like the way most of you guys get to with your wars. I just mod, check for any noticeable improvements, then store them away.
For me, the real fun is the modding; I just love to take them apart and tinker with the insides, shooting them off is just an added bonus.

[Retiate]

The Crossbow's value would be gone, and so would the coolness of owning one

That sounds rather elitist. The entire reason I want them to be released is so that I could reasonably afford one on a college-student budget. This would admittedly suck for collectors, but it would rock for Nerfers.

It was sort of a joke, though true in some ways.
I understand the cost part, with $60 being around the average minimum price of one. I'm not sure I'd want to pay that for just one gun. We got really lucky and got it at a garage sale.
I don't think it would rock for Nerfers, as I already explained.

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I really doubt that this would happen. Crossbows are not the be-all, end-all of Nerfing. If they were so good that no one would use anything else, they would be banned from wars anyway.

I never said Crossbows were the best guns and should be banned from wars, I'm just saying if Crossbows were rereleased, everyone would use one. If you had a Crossbow, you would want to use it. It's not that they're so good that no one would use anything else. It's just that they're... Popular and, well, cool. If you had a Crossbow, wouldn't you use it in a war?

Just off the top of my head, you can get ranges comparable to or greater than a crossbow with a longshot, AT2K, or (L)BB, and all of them have their own advantages as well. Despite the fact that they are all available for far less than the cost of a crossbow, the scenario that you predict has not occurred. This is because it's trivially easy to surpass the RoF of a crossbow by getting a multi-shot gun or carrying a sidearm. The best NF mods reliably clear 70 feet and fit in a small pocket.

First off, Longshots and 2ks have never reported ranges around those of the Crossbow. The LBB is capable of ranges around there, but it requires much more time to pump it up. Once again, it's not about how good it is. Go buy the Pump Shotgun Angel modded, he proved it to be the furthest shooting springer on the NIC, hitting around 160'.

And at any rate, "hope that not everyone can afford one" is not a very good technique for balancing guns. One of the things that I like about Nerfing is that, unlike paintball or airsoft, even the best guns are cheap, with the longshot basically topping off the list at $30. The crossbow is a rare exception, and if it really was so good that anyone with enough money could gain a large advantage by buying one, I'd probably be in a different hobby. I want a crossbow because it's a good gun that looks and feels great, not because it's the be-all, end-all of Nerfing.

Again, it's not that the Crossbow is "the best", personally I don't think any gun is "best" or has a large advantage over other ones, I find everything to be perfectly balanced.
The cheap cost of everything is great, it's something I also really like about Nerf. Though, in comparison to Airsoft and Paintball guns, $60 for a great gun is still really cheap.

Now, the reason everyone wants a Crossbow is because it has such a reputation and recieved the "legendary status". It's not "the best" or the "be-all end-all of Nerfing" gun. It's just popular, and everyone likes it and wants one. If every Nerfer was offered a Crossbow, I'm pretty sure everyone would accept it, then use it as their primary (with the exception of the more veteran Nerfers, or those who already use Crossbows). Then, all of a sudden everyone's using Crossbows. And that goes back to my last post about the stand offs and such.

It's like some popular thing going around. Say, some kind of trading cards, with the Crossbow being a really rare card. Everybody wants the rare card, not because it's really good, or that it's worth a lot, it's just... Cool to get it. If a kid found that rare card in a pack, he'd jump all around screaming like a little girl.
I hope you understand what I'm trying to say, it's kind of hard to explain the concept.


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[frost vectron]

I still really want a damn crossbow. I've been trying to get lucky at every garage sale and thrift store I can come by.

I think the coolest, rarest, most competitive gun I own right now is a well-modified Supermaxx5000.

Once I find a crossbow (or have one donated to me ), I will rent a car and drive an ungodly distance to get my ass handed to me at an Armageddon. Or maybe I'll do that before a crossbow finds its way to me. Who knows. I just know that if one lands in my hands soon, it's a sign telling me to get owned by the NIC.

Anyways, for a comment that is on-topic:

I don't think anybody should be bashing on Buzzbee for "copying" the bow and arrow. It's a damn bow and arrow--how different can it look? The "Power Bow" at least has a different case than the original "Bow and Arrow". Just because they use the same concept does not mean that it's a copy.

A copy is like the photo of the Maverick blaster copied in China. It even had the damn N-strike logo still imprinted on the case!

I think that Buzzbee has some very talented designers. Look at the RFR! That thing is extremely creative and damned cool (from a kid's perspective--not necessarily from bad-ass nerfer power-hungry perspective, of course).

Edited by frost vectron, 07 August 2007 - 06:13 AM.

[sourskttles772]

I think the plastic on buzzbee guns is increadibly weak. The rfr feels like junk.

[Thom]

I never said Crossbows were the best guns and should be banned from wars, I'm just saying if Crossbows were rereleased, everyone would use one. If you had a Crossbow, you would want to use it. It's not that they're so good that no one would use anything else. It's just that they're... Popular and, well, cool. If you had a Crossbow, wouldn't you use it in a war?

I have quite a few guns already, all of which I use in wars, but not all at the same time nor any to the exclusion of the others. If I bought a crossbow, I would certainly use it (or I wouldn't buy it in thw first place), but not (as you imply) all of the time.

First off, Longshots and 2ks have never reported ranges around those of the Crossbow. The LBB is capable of ranges around there, but it requires much more time to pump it up. Once again, it's not about how good it is.

Perhaps I was mistaken about the range of the crossbow. Isn't it a maximum of 100-120 ft?

Now, the reason everyone wants a Crossbow is because it has such a reputation and recieved the "legendary status". It's not "the best" or the "be-all end-all of Nerfing" gun. It's just popular, and everyone likes it and wants one. If every Nerfer was offered a Crossbow, I'm pretty sure everyone would accept it, then use it as their primary (with the exception of the more veteran Nerfers, or those who already use Crossbows). Then, all of a sudden everyone's using Crossbows. And that goes back to my last post about the stand offs and such.

It's like some popular thing going around. Say, some kind of trading cards, with the Crossbow being a really rare card. Everybody wants the rare card, not because it's really good, or that it's worth a lot, it's just... Cool to get it. If a kid found that rare card in a pack, he'd jump all around screaming like a little girl.
I hope you understand what I'm trying to say, it's kind of hard to explain the concept.

I do understand what you're saying, but I don't think that it would happen. Perhaps we'd be overrun with Xbows for a few months, but it's not as if we weren't right now inundated with the N-Strike stuff. The crossbow is not overpowered and there are guns that can match it, and anyone using only a crossbow because of the perceived "cool" factor would quickly realize that it wasn't helping them.

[hierarchy]

First off, Longshots and 2ks have never reported ranges around those of the Crossbow. The LBB is capable of ranges around there, but it requires much more time to pump it up. Once again, it's not about how good it is.

Perhaps I was mistaken about the range of the crossbow. Isn't it a maximum of 100-120 ft?

Actually its about 130.

And I agree with Retiate, and Dark Shrimp. I once wanted the x-bow to be re-released. But then I thought if everyone had one then it wouldn't be as cool to have one. And what about all of thoes people that have a whole bunch of in box x-bows? All that money that they spent on the guns would go to waist. And if you want a x-bow then go to alot of garage sales, yard sales, Good Will, or any other thrift store. And if you are that dessperate then go to e-bay or make a topic here WTB x-bow. It may cost alot but it's an awsome gun and in the future it's most likely going to cost more. So really you are making an investment that you can nerf with.

Edited by hierarchy, 07 August 2007 - 10:32 AM.

[b00m13]

I don't know if it's a great "investment" to just own one and wait for the price of it to go up. Heck I left a few K's in the bank just 5 months ago, and even that's made more then enough to buy a X-bow.

Another reason I would like them to re-release the X-bow now.. is because it came out so long ago.
Back when I was a kid, my parents would never let me own a nerf, or any toys for that matter. I got my first and only nerf gun at the age of 12 from my grandpa (original SM 750) and that was the only one I got until just 2 months ago (Dammit, I think I threw it away a year ago when I was cleaning my room).

So what I'm saying, is that I'm sure a lot of modders would have X-bows now, if they had the chance years ago to buy one.
But not all of us had rich parents, or jobs...
So now that we do have our own money, we should be allowed to buy it!!

I've been trying to buy back my childhood in the last 2 months, and dammit, I want an X-bow!!

PS

To Frost, if someone does donate an X-Bow... you think you'll do something generous and donate your SM5k... donate it this way?

[blister]

First off, Longshots and 2ks have never reported ranges around those of the Crossbow. The LBB is capable of ranges around there, but it requires much more time to pump it up. Once again, it's not about how good it is.

Perhaps I was mistaken about the range of the crossbow. Isn't it a maximum of 100-120 ft?

Actually its about 130.

Do you even have a Crossbow?

Anyways, I can understand where both sides of this little debate thing are coming from. The people without a Crossbow desperately want one and would like a re-release. The people with Crossbows (including myself ) feel that having a Crossbow makes you of a higher social class in the NIC; re-releasing the Crossbow would make having one conformist and common. However, hoping for a re-release is sort of like wanting to be with the "in-crowd". If the Crossbows were on sale at Target, they wouldn't be nearly as cool.

[hierarchy]

Do you even have a Crossbow?

Um, yeah.

[Fireshot]

This topic got de-railed.

The gun may be pull-and-release, but its not like a ballgun. You can aim, since you are firing with the back hand, not the front. And one could always throw a stock on it.

Offtopic: Am I the only person here who doesn't want a crossbow?

[z80]

This topic got de-railed.

The gun may be pull-and-release, but its not like a ballgun. You can aim, since you are firing with the back hand, not the front. And one could always throw a stock on it.

Offtopic: Am I the only person here who doesn't want a crossbow?

Yeah probably.
Actually I wouldn't really care if it was reproduced. I would buy one and use it probably, but I really just enjoy the longshot and maxshot just as much.

[supercraft99]

Offtopic: Am I the only person here who doesn't want a crossbow?

No. I never really felt the need to have one of those. I like a decent ROF on my weapons.

Back on topic:
Someone who trusts themselves modding a gun with no instrucion should go buy that sucker and see what they can do. Then we'll have an answer.