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[Carbon]

I disagree, as we've already seen that sort of thing on Nerf before. The Rachetblast has a tube with a crosshair in it...no plastic lenses, but the effect is the same. Nope, I think it'll actually be a scope. A plastic-lensed, low power telescope sort of thing, but a definite scope.

That being said, I think you're right that the greatest selling points of this gun are going to be purely cosmetic. I'd love to be wrong, though.

Actually, I'd bet dollars to donuts that it will be extremely similar to the crap that adorned the Ratchetblast. As a quick search of Veterans' comments on the subject would show, there is never a need for maginfying optics on Nerf weaponry. Nerf guns just aren't accurate enough for such equipment to be reliable, nor do foam darts have the velocity and range necessary to make such an enhancement viable.

You're misunderstanding me; I think it'll behave like a scope, in that you look through it, and things will look closer. I think it'll behave like a scope precisely because we've seen tube-like peepsites on Nerf before...and for this release, I don't know if Hasbro would have called it out if it was more of the same.

That being said, it doesn't change the fact that there's no reason for a Nerf gun to have true optics on it. All I was saying was that this scope is going to be cosmetic, but a bit more functional than most cosmetic add-ons. Functional as in, it'll make things look closer, not that it'll add funtion to the gun itself. Think FUNction, not true utility.

That being said, it's promising because a scope on this gun (even a semi-useless cosmetic one) implies increased accuracy and range, stock out of the box. And also, like I was saying, I don't think that that will be the case....but I'd still like being wrong.

[SG Pilot]

Its a great thing that nerf is almost making these re-releases of new guns. Now I probably won't have to keep looking for a PC on Ebay As most of us put it, it'd just be a PC with removeable clips. Definitally must have been inspired by us nerfers. Then the CS long rifle thing which also has clips. I almost see one of those as a remake of Boltsniper's FAR!

As for the scope and bipod, I believe scopes can help you aim horizontally, but dont really help in vertical aiming. I found this when trying to use the crosshair target thing on my Titan. It works, but I have to aim over my target in order to hit it. A bipod, sweet!

Edited by SG Pilot, 15 February 2006 - 12:57 PM.

[J cobbers]

The one thing I'd actually like to see on the Magstrike is compatibility between it's clips and those of the PC. I don't expect that they will be, but it would be great if they were, and it would make designing the gun so much easier for Nerf. Again I'm not holding my breath untill I see some pictures.

The thing that makes me think that the clips are not likely to be compatable is that tagger darts are longer than standard micro's wich the PC was designed for. On the PC if a dart sicks out it can catch on the inside of the gun and jam. I haven't used tagger darts but I imagine they probably don't fit correctly in the PC. If I'm wrong, and they do fit, well that makes me a little more hopeful.

[Shotty Master]

If you would all please take not, the description says WORKING scope, thus implying functionality. No, how good it works is different. Based on that description though, the scope is exactly that: a scope.

[Death]

If you would all please take not, the description says WORKING scope, thus implying functionality. No, how good it works is different. Based on that description though, the scope is exactly that: a scope.

A "working scope" doesn't really mean a damn thing. A scope is simply any instrument used in aid of the act of viewing. It comes from the Greek, skopos, meaning to aim or target.

For all we know, their "scope" might just be a cardboard paper-towel tube rubber cemented to the top of the CS-6.

[Mattf]

For all we know, their "scope" might just be a cardboard paper-towel tube rubber cemented to the top of the CS-6.

HA. Well said.

Basically it looks like they're calling the CS-6 a s n i p e r. And I recall a post somewhere that said they build their guns to certain impact standards, so you don't hurt kids.

Now, if just about the only way to increase range will also increase velocity and impact force, how are they going to improve stock range and make a loser that still fits their safety standards?

Edit- Did you guys notice this?

Contact: Josslynne Lingard / Dan Benkwitt

Litzky Public Relations

(201) 222-9118

jlingard@litzkypr.com / dbenkwitt@litzkypr.com

[badpun] It's worth a shot... [/badpun]

Edited by Mattf, 15 February 2006 - 04:54 PM.

[Death]

Basically it looks like they're calling the CS-6 a s n i p e r.

Please do not attempt to avoid the language filter through half-assed distortions of words. You could have just as easily written, "long-range rifle."

[cooldood31]

The magstrike sounds interesting. I'm betting it's just a remoddled powerclip, but it might just be another multishot spring. The CS6 is probably going to be way underpowered, but I'm betting that the shell will be awesome for intigrations. As for the "scope" and stock, well, that's what dremels are for.

[Shotty Master]

If you would all please take not, the description says WORKING scope, thus implying functionality. No, how good it works is different. Based on that description though, the scope is exactly that: a scope.

A "working scope" doesn't really mean a damn thing. A scope is simply any instrument used in aid of the act of viewing. It comes from the Greek, skopos, meaning to aim or target.

For all we know, their "scope" might just be a cardboard paper-towel tube rubber cemented to the top of the CS-6.

You just prooved my point, thank you sir. It is a device to aid in viewing. For the device to help it has to function. If it were a tube, that wouldnt help, that would infact hinder by reducing the field of view. Thus, by means of reason, the scope must function.

[rotoryfan]

it may have been mentioned, i dont remember, but the cs6 is going to be two parts, as hasbro specifies that it can be broken down into two guns... or something like that. but upon further thought, they're probably trying to make the gun cooler, because of the assembly idea taken from other longrange weapons of the real world, and integrating it into a nerf gun, thus increasing portability and functionality.


BTW im new.

Edited by rotoryfan, 15 February 2006 - 08:01 PM.

[rotoryfan]

o, and btw mattf, i'm pretty sure that the range is going to be increased, because simply think about it, why would nerf switch to a spring powered rifle, when they;ve had such great guns as the titan sm5k etc, and the bow-type guns are different, those are spring because thats how a bow/Xbow works; u pull back the string.

so yes, i think that range will be improved, and the age limitations printed on the box will be higher than age 7 or 5

Edited by rotoryfan, 15 February 2006 - 08:23 PM.

[ompa]

Try to avoid double-posting, it just irritates the administration around here. And a good portion of the members as well.

Welcome to NH, enjoy your stay.

~ompa

[Death]

You just prooved my point, thank you sir. It is a device to aid in viewing. For the device to help it has to function. If it were a tube, that wouldnt help, that would infact hinder by reducing the field of view. Thus, by means of reason, the scope must function.

Are you really trying to argue this with me?

Do you realize that the entire purpose of ANY sighting system on a projectile weapon-- be they simple iron sights or complicated optics-- is to narrow the field of vision, enabling one to focus on a specific target?

Reduction of the field of view IS the function of ANY scope. Magnification is not a necessary part of the equipment.

Before you attempt to make yourself seem like an intellectual by utilizing phrasology such as, "Thus, by means of reason..." you may want to review your own post for faulty logic. Additionally, a bit of proofreading can correct those silly spelling and grammar errors; while this isn't integral to proving your argument, it goes a long way toward garnering some respect.

[Denaeron 12]

You just prooved my point, thank you sir. It is a device to aid in viewing. For the device to help it has to function. If it were a tube, that wouldnt help, that would infact hinder by reducing the field of view. Thus, by means of reason, the scope must function.

As Death said, a scope only reduces the field of veiw - more if it magnifies, in fact - enabling you to concentrate on a smaller area. However, a scope also gives you a much better idea of where your darts will go by limiting your view. So in the end, even a scope with 1X magnification will help you aim, meaning that the scope automatically functions.

Also, too many people have forgotten the beauty of ironsights, replacing them with fiber-optics. WHY?

Edited by Denaeron_12, 16 February 2006 - 05:17 PM.

[J cobbers]

o, and btw mattf, i'm pretty sure that the range is going to be increased, because simply think about it, why would nerf switch to a spring powered rifle, when they;ve had such great guns as the titan sm5k etc, and the bow-type guns are different, those are spring because thats how a bow/Xbow works; u pull back the string.

so yes, i think that range will be improved, and the age limitations printed on the box will be higher than age 7 or 5

New guy, your post and grammer need some work. Try to type more clearly.
What do you mean by you think the range is going to be incresed? Compared to what?
most stock nerf guns ranges do not exceed 40-50 feet. Your argument as to why wouldn't nerf switch to a spring powered rifle makes little sense. They just re-released the big bad bow, which is spring powered. Most of the pistols are spring powered, it is a simple, reliable, effecitve and potentially powerful method to power nerf guns.
Yes the Titan and the SM5000 are powerful, but you trade power for reload time, pumping is not as fast as cocking a spring gun.

You also seem to think that the various nerf bows are powerd by their strings, this is incorrcect. The bow guns are not powered by the draw strings. If you ever opened up an orginal nerf bow, an x-bow, or a big bad bow, you'd see that they are really powered by an internal spring. The strings are cosmetic, serving no real function but to make the gun look like a strung bow.

Finally why is it that you do think that nerf will have a higher age limitation?
Nerf guns for the last several years have become quite clever in how they limit the maximum amount of power with air flow restriction, and pressure release valves. This is done to keep the blaster reasonably safe, so I wouldn't expect a great deal of power from these new guns, at least not before modification. The press release indicates that it plans to market these new blasters to a 'tween' audiance but what's cool to a tween will also look cool to a 7 year old too. I remeber when nerf first started producing comercials. All the kids in the adds were older than me, but damn if I didn't think they were cool, and that I wanted nerf guns. That's marketing. So in short I don't expect Nerf to limit the scope of marketability by raising the posted age restriction on their boxes. Besides the press release listed the ages for the guns already, 8+ for the Magstrike and 6+ for the CS-6 Longshot.

Edited by J_cobbers, 16 February 2006 - 07:18 PM.

[rotoryfan]

meh, your right on a bunch of things that i said, but for starters, i guess i wasn't specific enough, but when i said that the bow/Xbow needed a spring, i was saying that by pulling back the bow string, you would also pull back the spring. I havent used either of these. I'm just speculating. I'm just saying that for drawstring type weapons, it is more efficient to use a spring, rather than have a pointless drawcord on it, and having to pump to actually get the force needed to move the dart.

and i think that simillar to lego, (yes I like legos.) one might notice that as the parts get smaller and more complex, the age range is increased, for a more mature and serious builder. is it not possible that Nerf sees that people above their target age range are modifying their blasters, so that they fit the activities that they are to be used for, and then like the PC to the magstrike, actually taking a baby step to make the product more attractive and suitable for a more mature audience? I'm saying that instead of saying for ages 7 and up, maybe 9 or 10 and up. this doesn't change their target audience, it just allows them to say "its not our fault if you get hurt and you're under the ages indicated on the box."

if you find grammer mistakes in my writing, its not that i dont realize, i just have ADD and don't even think about it. so please dont point out my un-capitalized i's or missing commas. its not an essay. its a forum. now if you'll excuse my ranting, i'd like to point out the reason why there could be magnification in the scope.

simply, in the same manner that nerf used a lens to focus the light in the NF nerf might use a simillar plastic lens, (maybe not as cheaply) to create magnification for a scope. its just the manner by which the lens is cut. as i said, the plastic would almost definitely be better quality, so that one could actually see through it.

oh, and because the gun is so long, i think that it's safe to assume that the spring is longer (at least slightly) and more robust than that of a pistol. so you simply misunderstood what i said. thats my fault for not being specific enough

Edit: whoops, didn't see the age suggestions. my bad

Edited by rotoryfan, 16 February 2006 - 07:54 PM.

[Paloose]

oh, and because the gun is so long, i think that it's safe to assume that the spring is longer (at least slightly) and more robust than that of a pistol.

The article stated that the gun was the longest because it consists of 2 guns.

[rotoryfan]

did i not mention that on page four? i know this, and I think its just a smaller N-strike. you know, pistol kind of comes off the side or bottom or whatever. maybe it attaches to the back, adding balance and length. who knows. i still think the spring is more powerful and longer. otherwise they wouldn't call it a "loser" rifle. and i intend to say s n i p e r (sorry admin's) because that's what nerf wants to call it, so long range rifle might not prove my point

i'm just going to say, i could and just might be dead wrong. the pics arent out yet. and we're all just assuming. so not that i mean to bully or anything, but unless someone on the forum has actually seen it (and by "it" i mean the CS6 and magstrike), no one has the right to tell anyone flat out "you're wrong"

Edited by rotoryfan, 16 February 2006 - 08:11 PM.

[J cobbers]

I'll let someone else explain why we are so big on grammer around here. Minior spelling mistakes are forgiveable, but AIM speak is another matter, if you read a few more topics, you'll notice there is something that happens to new members who don't respect the rules. I understand that you have ADD, but you have just shown that you can write well thought out posts. You are now explaining more clearly what you meant and you make better arguments.
While most forums are not a bastion of great writing, NH is a little different. We are more than a bit snobby about content, and on puropose. If you don't feel welcome or comfortable, most long time members, admins, and the site owner really don't care. I noticed that you found NHQ, who are not big snobby jerks (like us) about grammer and such. There is a lot of cross over traffic between the two sites, one is welcoming, the other it a bit more elitist. Just keep that in mind when you post here, we will hold you to a higher standard, by force if nessecary.

And btw, legos F'ing rule.

[ompa]

Just follow basic capitalization, at least. It's more for the rest of the members' sakes; the more grammatically correct a post is, the easier it is to understand. The less AIM-speak you use in your posts, the more attention (the good kind) your ideas or theories will get. You can be a genius, have post horribly incorrect sentences, and still get kicked out of NH.

It may be just a forum, but this particular forum has a rule that you should use correct punctuation and grammar.

~ompa

[Denaeron 12]

Never fear to like Legos. They are the coolest invention since ducks. I'm serious.

[rotoryfan]

alright. thanks for filling me in

[The Infinite Shindig]

I'm just going to have everyone refer to what ompa said. Keep in mind that I'm the anal admin that throws people out. Therefore, watch your posts and keep in mind we have a Code of Conduct for a reason.

[munson20]

Does anyone know if their are pictures out of any new guns??? also, is their guns coming out between the longshot and magstrike???

[sistermol]

No not until they come out will they have pics and don't ask either or infinateshinding or talio will ban you.

Edited by sistermol, 19 February 2006 - 01:13 PM.