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[moosenukem]

Okay I just got a 90 Celica ST car and have found a problem with it...it only has a 1.6L engine in it and so its not as fast I would desire, so if anyone has any suggestions on making it faster please tell me. I was thinking of a supercharger but since it is only a 1.6L engine I can't find any super chargers for it. Here are also some of my ideas for it,

Swap the engine for a bigger one. (except I don't have any knowledge in that type of stuff)

Chip it,

New air intake,

Header,

New exhaust

And remove the catylatic converter, (I live in Montana so its not illegal to do that).

Thats just what I have thought of doing with it, share your opinion.

BTW, it has about 187,000 miles on it so I will have to rebuilt it anyway.

~Moose

Edited by moosenukem, 24 November 2005 - 11:55 PM.

[Talio]

Hmm....let me see.


www.nerfhaven.com


Yeah...right...okay...yeah, this is a nerf site. Had to check it again.

Talio.

[moosenukem]

Where should I post this topic then?

[NinjZ]

On a forum about CARS.

[ItalionStallion]

187,000?????No offense, but i wouldnt really invest any money in that. Its likley only going to be around for more than 10 thousandish miles.

[Sharpshooter]

Chill out people, he wanted to post on Nerfhaven so why does it matter. I mean it's off topic. Yea, I dont know much about cars so I would say just a super or turbo charger. But, i guess that won't work. Oh, and Stallion, If he rebuilds the engine that wouldnt matter would it?

[ItalionStallion]

^^^

EHh, i guess. But its still a 90 celica. Its a waste to spend all that money and put a new engine in that. Get something like an MR2, integra, prelude, supra or something like that. Hes still got car thats been driven into the grown. The car's got an old tranny, suspension, etc, etc. im sure there is rust and all kinds of crap on it.

Im not one to be a jerk, but i wouldnt waste my money on a 90 celica.

[Talio]

Three things....Sharpshooter, no one on this fucking site is qualified to give this guy advice. Why he posted about modding his car on a nerf site is beyond me. Even if there is one or two people on here who know about them, he'd get better advice if he just did his god damn research like every other person.

Second, IS I do agree with you, it's stupid to drop money into a car. Serioulsy, if you spend 18,000 on a honda, then drop 10,000 to make it a sports car, you're a fucking retard. A Nissan 350z goes for that much and is a wicked ride. Stop buying cheap cars and upgrading them. Buy a real fucking car. Besides, you can get a 5 year old BMW for 18 grand and in five years it will STILL be worth more then the Honda and have broken down less. Now I'm not dogging Honda's because generally, they're great economy cars, but the level of numbnuttedness that surrounds the car buying industry astounds me.

Lastly, just for the record, I know 9 different people who are currently driving Toyota's with 350,000 miles on them and they're still kicking. If you keep those bastards maintenced perfectly, they last a god awful long time.

Talio.

Edit: After a minute of thought I will ammend one thing. If you actually know alot about cars and spend time in your garage tuning one yourself, I can respect that. That's a skill and even a hobby. However, if you drive around in a half finished car all the time and then wreck it before you finish (like the stupid fucks up the street from my Mom's place. Fuckers still live at home and all they do is work on their shitty cars.) well then, you're just a fucking retard who needs to really re-evaluate your life.

[merlinski]

Toyota engine's are overengineered like no other, which is why they last forever. So if you really wanted to, you could put a forced induction system in there, provided you blueprinted and rebuilt your cylinder heads. The better option is probably an engine swap, depending on how serious you are. The Celicas came with 3 differnet stock engines, with the 1.6L as the smallest. As a result, if you take a bigger engine from 1990's celica, it'll probably bolt right into your car since it was meant to fit in the same engine bay. I'd suggest the 3SGTE engine. You'd probaby need a new transmission though, which is what kills a lot of engine swaps. Keep in mind that's a very labor and knowledge intense process, and not something to undertake unless your very serious.

If you want to do anything to your car, I'd suggest getting the block and cylinder heads blueprinted and rebuilt by someone who knows what their doing. Otherwise you run the risk of blowing a cylinder head or, at in the best case, losing a lot of power.

[Drano]

dont know where your located, but if you were in the LA area i could give you some good resources on some used JDM engines and transmissions.

but if you just bought a car with already 187k on it, im guessin your not in the LA area (it would already be in the wreckin yard by then).





if anybody in the LA area needs an japanese engine or tranny, give this place a try:JPQ corp

Edited by Drano, 28 November 2005 - 04:21 AM.

[ItalionStallion]

As Talio has said its just stupid to drain a ton of money into a car that is likley worth less than 2 grand. If you really must spend alot of money on you're automobile then just get a better car. Its better for you in the longrun. I've got a nice, reliable car that i can play around with a little bit. Since you are still in school its stupid to pour a shitload of cash into a "race" car.

Sell the Celica, spend a little more money and get a better car.

[Lukeinator]

ItalionStallion, on Nov 25 2005, 06:39 PM, said:

187,000?????No offense, but i wouldnt really invest any money in that. Its likley only going to be around for more than 10 thousandish miles.

But remember, it's a TOYOTA. I have an 89 corrola and it's still running fine with almost 240 000 kilometers on it. Still I wouldn't put any money into it.

[ItalionStallion]

^^

Exacly my point, its OK to be just a daily driver. But its pointless to put any money whatsoever into it.

Ohh and Honda>Toyota.

[moosenukem]

Talio, on Nov 26 2005, 06:49 AM, said:

Three things....Sharpshooter, no one on this fucking site is qualified to give this guy advice.  Why he posted about modding his car on a nerf site is beyond me.  Even if there is one or two people on here who know about them, he'd get better advice if he just did his god damn research like every other person.

Second, IS I do agree with you, it's stupid to drop money into a car.  Serioulsy, if you spend 18,000 on a honda, then drop 10,000 to make it a sports car, you're a fucking retard.  A Nissan 350z goes for that much and is a wicked ride.  Stop buying cheap cars and upgrading them.  Buy a real fucking car.  Besides, you can get a 5 year old BMW for 18 grand and in five years it will STILL be worth more then the Honda and have broken down less.  Now I'm not dogging Honda's because generally, they're great economy cars, but the level of numbnuttedness that surrounds the car buying industry astounds me.

Lastly, just for the record, I know 9 different people who are currently driving Toyota's with 350,000 miles on them and they're still kicking.  If you keep those bastards maintenced perfectly, they last a god awful long time.

Talio.

Edit:  After a minute of thought I will ammend one thing.  If you actually know alot about cars and spend time in your garage tuning one yourself, I can respect that.  That's a skill and even a hobby.  However, if you drive around in a half finished car all the time and then wreck it before you finish (like the stupid fucks up the street from my Mom's place.  Fuckers still live at home and all they do is work on their shitty cars.)  well then, you're just a fucking retard who needs to really re-evaluate your life.

Okay one more thing I paid next to nothing for this car(1,200), it has had only one owner (who was a lady) it was never in a wreck, it was kept in awsome shape, oil was changed every 3,000 miles, this thing is almost mint. So, if I did put 5,000 into this car it would be a very awsome machine. So instead of paying 10,000 for some Honda or something I get this car. Ending my point, I do not want a "race car", I watnt a nice sounding, reliable car, that does have some power under the hood but not an insane amount.

And Ninjz, since you are a smart ass where is this car forum your talking about.

Edited by moosenukem, 28 November 2005 - 08:35 PM.

[The Infinite Shindig]

moosenukem, on Nov 28 2005, 08:12 PM, said:

And Ninjz, since you are a smart ass where is this car forum your talking about.

How about here?

[notorious oxide]

I am probly going to get rubbished for this but i have a car which is getting sold this week, prior to putting it up for sale it had a set of wheels on it that were worth more than the car and a pair of seats the were worthe $50 less than the car, that is each. I wasnt intending to sell my car but i bought another last week, so i had a fully worked engine which cost $4000 sitting in the garage for it. I also had a set of tail lights and headlights waiting to be fitted. I admit that instead of buyin a crap car and spendin heaps of money on it you could get a better car, but for me a new car just wouldnt cut it. I want something different and something that has character. Something that is yours and not anyone elses. What some people are saying is like asking why would anyone mod an lnl or nf when you could just throw it away and get something more powerful like a titan.



As an answer for your question of what to do, a fairly easy and cheap thing to do is add a cold-air intake which runs to an air pod to replace the standard air filter, this will ad a little power by allowing cooler and cleaner air into the fuel mix which creates a better combustion. You could also replace the exhaust system with wider extractors then a wide pipe to a performance muffler, i would suggest a Jun BL muffler because they have good value for money and give a good sound and also allow for better flow. But it is your car so you should do what you feel you would like. But the first thing would be to rebuild the engine to ensure you will be running smooth and with a much less chance of having problems.



Just incase anyone is wondering my car is a 1967 VW beetle. The new car i bought is a '72 VW type3 notch back, i also have a '61 and a '59 beetle which are being built. With the beetle i could have got an early model skyline for a few hundred more $ at the same time, it has more power and is probly more comfortable to drive, but i didnt want to be like everyone else. And i would rather completely customise a beetle than modify a skyline.

Edited by notorious_oxide, 28 November 2005 - 10:43 PM.

[ItalionStallion]

^^

You turned down a skyline?!? Thos things are much harder to find than old beetles. To each his own i guess.

Moosenukem, what type of celica is it? http://autos.msn.com/research/vip/Spec_Gla...&tab=2⊂=0

Go there to find out.


EDIT: Oh, its the 1.6l? Yikes.. 103hp. Its going to take alot of money to get that thing up to speed.

Edited by ItalionStallion, 28 November 2005 - 11:53 PM.

[Pineapple]

I'll add some things from my post on NHQ, since much of what I had to say was already posted.

I've played with cars since I received my first car, a hand me down 1975 Maverick, back in 1981. How many of you were born then? I did my first engine swap a year later, and rebuilt the top of my first Chrysler V8 in 1985. I've been a gas monkey and mechanic helper before college, and have owned a dozen cars in my lifetime.

So, with that said, here goes.

The guys are right when it comes to spending more on parts and stuff than the price of the original car. Yes, if you sink 5 large into a Celica, you'd have a pretty nice looking ride, but is that what you REALLY want, or is it something you're settling for that's not what you want, but just took whatever came along when opportunity struck.

Here's what I've learned over the years, especially with a first car, to improve performance with not too much money spent.

1) Lighten the car. If you can remove as much extemporaneous weight in the form of speakers, trim pieces, extra cosmetic pieces...lighter is better. It may be harder to do than the old clunker's I used to play with, since older cars had more heavy bumpers and chrome and stuff. It may also be illegal in your state to remove the bumpers from your car, but if you take out the steel inner bumper and keep the plastic cover on, you shed up to 150 pounds from total weight. Just don't get into an accident or you'll eat it.

2) Get the car tuned up and mechanically sound. All the add-ons (intake tube, headers, exhaust etc.) will be of marginal gain if, say, you have a vacuum leak somewhere, or if your car isn't tuned up properly, etc. If you're learning about cars, this is the perfect place to start, with basic preventive maintenance and upkeep. Get a Chilton's manual for your car, before you buy any other parts. That will be your bible for working on it.

3) Keep your expectations realistic. It's a 1.6 liter, almost 3000 pound car. If you had a Supra, you'd have a lot more in the way of out-of-the-box performance, but just be satisfied with what you have. The intake tube, header, and exhaust may make the car sound better, but it really won't make your Toyota beat say, an Integra Type R, or Lancer, or other rice burner. And forget about taking on any V8s.

Sound? What is it about folks wanting a car that "sounds" good, but can't move along? I'd rather have a quiet, fast car; a sleeper, if you will.

My '90 Honda Civic, which I bought new and still own, has about 100,000 miles on it. The only thing I added was a 2 1/2" exhaust system with a turbo muffler and a glass packed tip (to be as quiet as possible). I keep the 1.6 engine in as good a shape as possible, tune up once a year, and change oil and filter twice a year. These are things that any high mileage car must have to stay allive, much less to perform well.
My wife drives the car primarily now, and my toy is our company F-150 with Flowmasters that makes plenty of noise (and power to boot) while hauling garbage to the dump, or cargo from the wharf.

Some people talked about engine swapping. That's fine, but you'd better be really prepared and committed to do one. Engine swapping isn't as hard as it looks, provided you have the proper books and manuals to show the way. Chilton's is a good place to get your swap manual.

I did an engine swap, took out the six-cylinder from my '75 Ford Maverick, and dropped in a 351 Windsor V8. Quarter mile times went from 20 seconds down to 14. And that was BEFORE any modifications to the engine.

If you can find the engine with the most power that will drop in, that in itself may be the most cost-effective performance modification you can do. I got my engine in a junkyard for $50, and it took another $300 or so in parts from NAPA to get it all in. Rented the hoist and power tools, did it right in my friend's driveway in about 2 days (non stop). It may be different with a later model import, but heck, it was a fun learning experience for me, as it can be for you.

Bottom line--if you're happy with your Celica, and hot-rodding it, that's your perrogative. Not everyone will agree with what you want to do with it, as people criticized my Maverick, '76 Chevy Nova, '68 Plymouth Barracuda, Buick Regal, 3 Honda Civics, Honda CRX, Chevy Lumina, Nissan King Cab, and the vehicles I drive today.

Do it your way. Just know that you can't please everyone, so it's useless to get overly defensive. If you think criticism on a forum board is bad, wait 'til you get harassed on the street for a race.


-Piney-

[Talio]

Great idea telling a teenager who just got his first car to take the bumper off. I drove an 85 Cutlass as my first car for one reason. If I hit something, I'd be okay. That thing was a tank and one of my most loved possesions. Too bad I was a retard and didn't know you had to get your oil changed on a regular basis. Whoopsy. My cousins helped me put a corvette engine he had from a buddy, who we took out of his Caprice when he wrecked it, who in turn got it from an old cop car his Uncle had when he was on the force. I'm pretty sure it was illegal, but god damn if it wasn't fun.

Talio.

[Lukeinator]

ItalionStallion, on Nov 28 2005, 04:45 PM, said:

Ohh and Honda>Toyota.

I know. I want a new Civic Si really bad.

[Pineapple]

Talio, on Nov 29 2005, 07:53 AM, said:

Great idea telling a teenager who just got his first car to take the bumper off...

I looked at it along the lines of the web site designed to modify toys to have the potential to be harmful or cause injury or death.

By no means am I trying to encourage young ones to remove their bumpers, but just gave an example of what I did to shed weight from my car. I removed a lot of things, including the entire sound system (just an AM radio), spare tire and old-style bumper jack, and the back seat and other parts. Weight dropped from 3120 down to 2850. Not bad for a '68 Barracuda (since we were cruising the boulevard, who would need the back seat anyway? My spare wouldn't do anyway since I ran 11 inch wide back tires.) I wish I still had pictures.

And yes, a 90 Celica can definitely cause more injury or death than a stefan, even if said stefan was fired from a PVC and brass homemade.

But I know where you're coming from, Tally. Thanks for the heads-up.

Let the "fixer" beware; of safety and of local laws.



-Piney-

EDIT; I'm going to hijack this thread; Talio, expect your 'package' to arrive after Christmas. Finally found all the SSII parts.

[Talio]

That was actually meant to be humorous, but I see as much of a twat as I normally am around here that it could be taken the wrong way.

Personally, I just found it funny. I see teenagers in modified cars as Darwins theory in action and do nothing but encourage it.

So let this be my public announcement. I would like every memeber here to remove bumpers, seat belts and any other safety device from their vehicles. You don't need that shit, and you're a pussy if you use them. Also, play with live wire, it's fun as shit. Go ahead and stick shinny stuff in light sockets, it's great.


That should just about do it.

Talio.

Edit: I told you not to send me that shit, I've lost my workshop.

[Falcon]

Talio, on Nov 26 2005, 06:49 AM, said:

A Nissan 350z goes for that much and is a wicked ride.

Good call. I love my nissan...

Granted, it's just an Altima, not a 350 Z, but it's beaten every Honda I've driven next to so far...

[Bad Karma]

I don't know much about cars. But from what I've seen in my car shopping is that most of your Japenesse made cars are awesome. Might not be the sharpest looking things in the world but they are built to go.

I hope you didn't spend alot of money on that thing. 90' toyota celica with 180,000 miles on it...

[Drano]

moosenukem, on Nov 28 2005, 08:12 PM, said:

Okay one more thing I paid next to nothing for this car(1,200), it has had only one owner (who was a lady) it was never in a wreck, it was kept in awsome shape, oil was changed every 3,000 miles, this thing is almost mint.

dont kid yourself.






Plus in 16 years, some one had to have forgotten mabey 2 or 8 oil changes.
Given those are small things, but god knows what else.
In this disposable society, there arent too many things now a days that are ment to live that long.

But anyways, its your first car and 12 bills isnt bad at all for something thats probabbly gonna be totaled before you even get a chance to drive it off to college.
I wouldn't mod it but thats me. Just be thankful you got something sporty and not some old sedan with a broken headlight and all sorts of sun-damage to the paint.

Edited by Drano, 30 November 2005 - 07:44 PM.