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#26 Nerforbust

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Posted 18 May 2005 - 09:14 PM

This is what My state does


I heard once that if someone is attacked, being robbed, even if the robber or attacker is armed, you can not defend yourself with a firearm. At least in my state.

That may not be true, but thats what I heard.

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#27 cxwq

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Posted 18 May 2005 - 10:45 PM

The problem is that most of the people on the site who can have a rational and interesting political discussion have already done so in one of the previous political topics. They don't seem ('cept for Merl) to be all that interested in doing it again so it's just the 13 year olds echoing their parents' whining here.

Piney is largely (and sadly) right - most everyone who can vote has already made up their mind. It would be nice if people examined their own beliefs more often or at least took a long hard look at whether 'their party' still matches their belief system better than the others.

So it goes.
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#28 Nerforbust

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Posted 18 May 2005 - 11:19 PM

Echoing my parents' whining? I am 13 and my parents have no intrest in politics, so am I echoing their whining? No, some younger people care about changes that may or may not effect them. Political discusion is interesting and isnt just for people who can vote.

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#29 i h8 hippies

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Posted 18 May 2005 - 11:47 PM

Like someone already said, even if guns are banned, that will just prevent the honest and good willed people from using them. When the 18th amendment(sp) put a ban on alchohol in the 1930's, that didn't stop the problem. In fact, it started a new problem, the mob. Because of bootlegging, the mob became rich. Besides, guns aren't like alchohol, you don't drink them and then throw them away. I think the right idea would be to make it a lot harder to obtain ammunition.

BTW, I can't vote but in the poll I voted republican.
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#30 cxwq

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Posted 19 May 2005 - 11:41 AM

Echoing my parents' whining? I am 13 and my parents have no intrest in politics, so am I echoing their whining? No, some younger people care about changes that may or may not effect them. Political discusion is interesting and isnt just for people who can vote.

Did you think I was talking to you, sonny? It was a generalization not a personal attack.

Anyone who is 13 and:

1. Is a different religion than their parents

or

2. Holds multiple differing views from their parents on major 'gut level' issues like abortion, the death penalty, gay marriage, etc.

...is an unusually independant thinker and can legitimately claim to be expressing their own opinions.

Except that they probably just had an abusive childhood so they copied their friends' opinions which were copied from their friends' parents.
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Posted 19 May 2005 - 11:56 AM

....and sometimes that doesn't change even when they are adults.
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Posted 19 May 2005 - 01:09 PM

Echoing my parents' whining? I am 13 and my parents have no intrest in politics, so am I echoing their whining? No, some younger people care about changes that may or may not effect them. Political discusion is interesting and isnt just for people who can vote.

Did you think I was talking to you, sonny? It was a generalization not a personal attack.

Anyone who is 13 and:

1. Is a different religion than their parents

or

2. Holds multiple differing views from their parents on major 'gut level' issues like abortion, the death penalty, gay marriage, etc.

...is an unusually independant thinker and can legitimately claim to be expressing their own opinions.

Except that they probably just had an abusive childhood so they copied their friends' opinions which were copied from their friends' parents.

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I'd have to say that I think most people 18 and under normally act that way. hehe.

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Posted 26 May 2005 - 11:49 PM

We live in a violent-strewn world. If Guns were eradicated, we'd kill each other with swords and stuff. If those were banned we'd just beat each other up with our fists until a person died. People kill other people who don't agree with them, don't like them, or they are psycotic. There are many other reason's but I don't want to list them. Until Whatever religon you believe in's version of the end of the world happens, or we all kill each other, that is proabaly the way it's going to be.
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#34 NerfLad78

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Posted 27 May 2005 - 07:25 AM

I am proud to say that I am a republican who is against gun control. If having guns is against the law, then what do you think will stop criminals from having guns? They already break the law. Then, when we get our houses broken into, we won't have the most effective means of protecting ourselves. Gun control can only hinder this Nation. Besides, the Bill of Rights says that we are allowed and will always be allowed to own firearms.
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Posted 27 May 2005 - 11:36 AM

I am proud to say that I am a republican who is against gun control. If having guns is against the law, then what do you think will stop criminals from having guns? They already break the law. Then, when we get our houses broken into, we won't have the most effective means of protecting ourselves. Gun control can only hinder this Nation.

If guns were banned, all guns would probably be confiscated & destroyed. And if some weren't found, what the hell would criminals be able to do with them? If they use them, they'd get caught, and have their gun confiscated & destroyed.

Besides, the Bill of Rights says that we are allowed and will always be allowed to own firearms.


But that's different. Back when the Bill of Rights was written, guns were something that you had to have if you wanted to live. They didn't shoot other humans, they shot animals so they would have food and clothes and be able to stay alive.

It's different now. People hunt for fun, which is extremely fucked up. They kill helpless animals that don't need to be killed. What the fuck? How would you like it if you were killed by somebody with better technology than you, and you didn't do shit wrong? And then your body gets sold to some crazy dumbass? Yeah, you wouldn't like it. That's what I thought.

And guns are being used to kill not only animals like deer, but humans too. We don't need to kill other humans to stay alive! So why are we killing them? Petty shit! That's why! And if people are low enough to kill over petty shit, then I think the things that are helping them kill need to be banned and eliminated.
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Posted 27 May 2005 - 11:46 AM

We live in a violent-strewn world. If Guns were eradicated, we'd kill each other with swords and stuff. If those were banned we'd just beat each other up with our fists until a person died. People kill other people who don't agree with them, don't like them, or they are psycotic. There are many other reason's but I don't want to list them. Until Whatever religon you believe in's version of the end of the world happens, or we all kill each other, that is proabaly the way it's going to be.

:D

Ok, could you please explain to me the procedure for a drive-by swording? Or even a drive-by fisting? That sounds interesting. You'd have to get the car really close to punch someone, might as well just hit them at that point. The point is that most murders involving guns are committed by people who wouldn't attack someone with their fist if they didn't have a gun. And the worst deaths involving guns, the accidental deaths or shootings involving kids, wouldn't happen at all.

Pretty much the only point gun control opponents have going for them is the point about criminals getting guns anyways. If you take that away, all that's left is "we realize its a bad idea but its in the constitution", which is not an argument you can stand on. Unfortunately, whether or not criminals would have guns isn't a point we can resolve, because there really isn't any evidence to prove either way. I'm of the opinion that the reduced number of crimes after gun control legislation is an indication that it does help. But without directly addressing that, I want to figure out exactly how crazy people here are. Would anyone here actually oppose a measure which fingerprinted the barrel of every gun made or imported and kept that info in a database? So you could still own your gun, just if you ever committed a crime with it, the government would be able to identify who owned the gun if they had the bullet.
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#37 Evil

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Posted 27 May 2005 - 11:55 AM

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#38 Talio

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Posted 27 May 2005 - 01:43 PM

Yeah seriously, when did this place all of a sudden become HQ? Magazines, politics? What the hell is this. Get back on topic people, or go outside, it's nice. It's Spring. What the hell is wrong with all of you.

Merlinski, I haven't read one post in this topic, but honestly, if you don't plan on discussing ANYTHING nerf related on these boards, you need to stop posting. I think you need to find an off topic forum, or a political debate forum. No one doubts you can sling bullshit with the best of them, but come on dude, it's getting extremely out of hand and entirely gratuitous.

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#39 boltsniper

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Posted 27 May 2005 - 02:04 PM

I agree Evil.



But.


I gotta insert my opinion here. I am a gun owner. Eight to be exact with 4 of them being what you would likely call "assault weapons" and 3 of them handguns. Guns to me are a hobby like any other. Their toys. Toys that demand respect....but toys nonetheless. I enjoy working on them, upgrading them, cleaning them, and shooting them. I admire the engineering that went into their design. I would be willing to say that 80% of the legally owned guns in this country are for the same reason with the rest being hunting rifles used for hunting.

I`m sorry Merlinksi but most people don`t shoot human shaped targets. I personally never have. Typically only military and law enforcement use silhouettes. If you were referring to indoor ranges, they may only have human silhouettes because of the likely use by law enforcement for training and practice. I`ve never seen someone at an outdoor range with nothing but human targets.

I personally think that the current level of gun control is about as high as this country can go. Although the method varies from state to state, no one can purchase a firearm without a background check. Even the slightest offense willl veto your purchase. There are too many guns already in this country for a sales ban to do any good. Banning the sale will do nothing to help the gun related crime rate. They will still get them from somewhere. Most gun related crimes involve unregistered guns anyway. I like the new "Project Exile", which brings heavy penalties if you are caught with an illegal gun.

Some states still maintain the "assault weapons" ban following the 94 ban and restricting the oh-so-dangerous flash hider, bayonet lug, and collapsible stock. Stupidest piece of shit legislation I have ever seen if you ask me. Some states are also exploring more restrictive assault weapons bans with confiscation clauses. So if an upstanding citizen has had an AR15 for the past 20 years he would have to forfeit it to LE with no compensation if this law were to pass. Can you imagine the hell that would break loose if this were to happen?
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#40 merlinski

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Posted 27 May 2005 - 03:47 PM

Thank you boltsniper for actually posting the first intelligent argument against gun control. I agree with most of what you said, which is why I don't advocate outlawing guns (I also enjoy the engineering aspect of them). Like I said in my first post, I was mostly playing devil's advocate. As far as targets go, I'm just speaking from personal experience, I guess a lot of it depends on where you shoot.

I'm wondering what you're opinion is on fingerprinting gun barrels?

And Talio, way to go, you've proved something that I've never denied. I'm wondering exactly how much of your time you waste trying to show people that I don't post outside of off-topic?

Seeing as its necessary to repeat myself, the reason I don't post in any of the Nerf forums is because:
1. For the past 9 months (up until 5/22) I've been at college, where all my free time has been taken up with either homework or drinking, and I haven't had access to anything that would enable constructive contribution to any of the Nerf forums such as guns or modding materials.
2. Every time I look at the general nerf forum, I find the exact same questions that I answered for the first 5 years that I was involved in the NIC, and its obvious that you guys don't need help answering such tough ones as "should I buy a nitefinder or a maverick".

That said, hopefully this summer I'll get a chance to work on something nerf-related, probably a homemade because I'm bored out of my mind. So until then I'm going to ask you again to please keep your personal hatred of me out of topics where it is quite irrelevant. Thank you.
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Posted 27 May 2005 - 06:42 PM

Seeing as its necessary to repeat myself, the reason I don't post in any of the Nerf forums is because:

1. For the past 9 months (up until 5/22) I've been at college, where all my free time has been taken up with either homework or drinking, and I haven't had access to anything that would enable constructive contribution to any of the Nerf forums such as guns or modding materials.
2. Every time I look at the general nerf forum, I find the exact same questions that I answered for the first 5 years that I was involved in the NIC, and its obvious that you guys don't need help answering such tough ones as "should I buy a nitefinder or a maverick".

That said, hopefully this summer I'll get a chance to work on something nerf-related, probably a homemade because I'm bored out of my mind.  So until then I'm going to ask you again to please keep your personal hatred of me out of topics where it is quite irrelevant.  Thank you.

1: That doesn't make you special. Up until 5/19 I was at college where all my free time was taken up with homework and drinking, but I found the time to look at forums other than Off-Topic. And you haven't had a chance to contribute with guns or moddding materials? I don't remember that being Nerf to begin with, that's called modding. Try Nerfing now that you have the chance this summer.

Bad excuse.

2: You're input is welcome no matter what and you don't have to answer questions, you could of course make an original thread or interesting topic. That's why they have that option on a forum... so you can post something of your own.

That said, this isn't about a hatred for you. I personally don't mind you and I don't think many people here mind you either, its the fact that you were a part of the Nerf community, and now you're a shell of what you used to be. To explain more simply, you have become irrelevant to a community which once prided itself on having members like you.

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#42 MysticNinja

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Posted 27 May 2005 - 07:19 PM

Iím far from taking sides, but I can relate to merlinski. Evil wasnít there quiet a while were I really donít recall you posting much. Didnít you say school one of the reasons was school?

And on topic:

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Posted 27 May 2005 - 07:23 PM

..and after all, god knows it is an essential liberty to be able to shoot things.
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Posted 27 May 2005 - 07:25 PM

People like Beaver Vortex piss me off because they say some stupid thing and then quote themselves and they have no opinion or idea on the subject.

This is a serious subject dude, so if you don't want to post anything serious then shut the fork up.

Edit: Sorry if I was a little too harsh.

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Posted 27 May 2005 - 07:36 PM

..and after all, god knows it is an essential liberty to be able to shoot things.
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The second amendment was a clause set forth in an attempt to prevent impromptu unconstitutional, unjust martial law. Even politics are susceptible to force. It would seem at least in that context to be a basic right.

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Posted 27 May 2005 - 08:40 PM

I'm wondering what you're opinion is on fingerprinting gun barrels?

For those who do not know, ballistic fingerprinting is similar to human fingerprinting. Every handgun sold comes with a spent shell casing in a sealed envelope that you must turn into your state PD if your state requires ballistic fingerprinting. Each gun leaves distinct marks on both the shell and the slug and these markings are related. If you use your handgun to commit a crime either retrieved slugs or spent shells can be used to trace the weapon. Message sent....don`t use a registered handgun for a crime. On handguns barrels are marked with the serial number that matches the frame and slide. If you were to replace the barrel you would have to report it and supply another ballistic fingerprint shell.

Currently only a few states require it and only with handguns. VA doesn not require it so I`ve got mine just sitting around. I like the idea of ballistic fingerprinting. I think it is a very non-obtrusive method for applying gun control and does not affect the sale of guns to desrving people. I think all states should adopt it and that it should apply to all firearms, not just handguns. Since it is so non-obtrusive and hassles free I don`t know why it's not more widely used
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Posted 27 May 2005 - 08:50 PM

People like Beaver Vortex piss me off because *Flame Flame Flame*and they have no opinion or idea on the subject.

*Flame Flame Flame Flame Flame*

So to make a point to idiots like me you create well thought out, meaningful posts. That just happen to have no opinion or idea on the subject. Way to go, man.


MysticNinja- So the entirety of the Bill of Rights are basic rights? Not really. The "basic" or "natural" rights, according to the Declaration, are Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of happiness as I recall. Not really much about guns there, but the Bill of Rights basically exist to protect these things. And the Bill of Rights has your precious safety blanket amendment. So, this all backs you up right? But there are limits to every freedom. You are allowed to pursue happiness but what if shooting people makes you happy? Try telling that to a judge.

I think the limit is when exercising your basic rights interferes with others basic rights. So you CAN use that gun to help protect your own Life and Liberty, but you CAN ALSO oh so easily use to violates another's right to life. So owning a gun can go either for you or against others. It dosen't really favor a side, since these are the two things a gun can be used for. I just love how both sides on the gun control argument pretend the other potential use dosen't exist.

So we have guns so we can keep the military from taking over? To form a militia, right? Wait a minute here. We already have a militia, a permanant one. It's called the National Guard, and it's under the control of the Governor. So, the militia we have to protect us from the government is infact controlled by the government. I mean, in all honesty, if the government just decides to take over then we are screwed. End of story. So you can use the excuse of having guns to protect us from the government all you want, I just hope you know it's a lie because they won't be able to.
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Posted 27 May 2005 - 09:07 PM

I can use a pencil to write.
I can also use a pencil to shove in somebodies carotid artery.


If you are so anti gun, Beaver Vortex, then why are you even on this site.........?



You know, I`ve noticed that the only people that are really anti gun are people who have never been around a real firearm in their lifetime. They have only been exposed to what they see on TV or read about. We all know how one sided that is. I know a lot of people with this mindset and after taking them to the range once or twice, showing them the hobby, and talking with them, they change their opinion.

I`m not going to check or post in this thread anymore. There are only a couple people who actually have valid opinions/arguments.

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#49 Evil

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Posted 27 May 2005 - 11:03 PM

Iím far from taking sides, but I can relate to merlinski. Evil wasnít there quiet a while were I really donít recall you posting much. Didnít you say school one of the reasons was school?

Yea, and for that stretch of time I didn't post period. I didn't just post in one forum on one site and use school as my excuse to only post concerning topics of no relevance to the forum's focus.
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Posted 28 May 2005 - 03:13 AM

Amendments; cause quills donít have erasers.

Iím not against gun controls; control is good. Banning, melting down, and making it illegal to own guns is bad simply because the reasoning is off as far as Iím concerned

Beaver Vortex (Iíll resist a bad sexual pun on your name about now) your not getting what Iím saying. The second amendment was written with preserving actual freedom the kind you and I enjoy everyday in mind. Youíre ignoring not understanding. Owning guns may not be directly be a right everyone needs, of coarse not. But our for fathers new it was linked.

Evil, I understand now what you meant.

More importantly now I understand why I avoided this thread as long as I did when it was pointed out to me over a week ago.

For the record: I, nor anyone in this house has a gun any more. I donít feel the need to have one, but I also am not threatened my neighbor does. I grew up shooting guns, never thought anything of it, Iíll let you know if I kill anyone one day. My father was shot before I was even born, I know how dangerous guns can be. Lastly no one talks about the groups out there who do good things like the group of hunters around here that when I was much younger made sure we had food on our table when my parents otherwise wouldnít have. Theyíre groups like that all over the country, Iím not a fan of hunting, but not all hunters are people who just want a cheap trill kill.
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