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[LDM]

http://www.firekite....mm/vw_20_b3.mov

I laughed.

[Diego]

Heh, yeah that was pretty funny.


--Diego

[NerfMonkey]

Sick, but somehow funny... Where do these things come from, anyway? It couldn't have been an actual commercial...?

Edited by NerfMonkey, 02 February 2005 - 10:06 PM.

[IronRhino]

Explanation: http://www.snopes.co...ials/vwpolo.asp

[NerfMonkey]

Thanks, IronRhino. Funny how much the Internet has grown just since I was born.

[Evil]

Maybe our foreign policy should be directed towards putting more Middle Eastern middle aged males in Volkswagens. All we need is for Volkswagen to donate a few cars and we'll put them on rotation. Pretty soon their won't be any suicide bombers, they will have all gone BOOM without incident.

[merlinski]

Evil, on Feb 3 2005, 04:44 PM, said:

Maybe our foreign policy should be directed towards putting more Middle Eastern middle aged males in Volkswagens. All we need is for Volkswagen to donate a few cars and we'll put them on rotation. Pretty soon their won't be any suicide bombers, they will have all gone BOOM without incident.

But alas, the Polo is only on sale in Europe.

[Oroku Saki]

It's crazy some of the shit that circulates the internet. I have heard about this video, but I haven't gotten around to seeing it until now.

[Ash]

That was some good stuff. Somehow, I really didn't see it coming.

These are the kinds of advertisements that should be on TV... as offensive as possible. People are too sensitive and need to have things like this shoved in thier cute little politically correct faces every now and again.

But, that's just me.

[Oroku Saki]

Ash, on Feb 5 2005, 08:10 PM, said:

That was some good stuff. Somehow, I really didn't see it coming.

These are the kinds of advertisements that should be on TV... as offensive as possible. People are too sensitive and need to have things like this shoved in thier cute little politically correct faces every now and again.

But, that's just me.

Agreed. I think society needs to stop pussy-footing around on such trivial things and just get to the fucking point. Things are only offensive if you view them as such.

Speaking of over-sensitivity, I would like to share a kickass article from one of my favorite writers, Seanbaby:

http://www.thewavema...articleid=25152

[Ice Nine]

Oroku_Saki, on Feb 5 2005, 08:59 PM, said:

http://www.thewavema...articleid=25152

Excuse me for being ignorant, but what the fuck does a black person eating fried chicken have to do with someone dressed up as a leprechaun drinking?

[ompa]

Stereotypes.

I can no longer say alot of terms that have been deemed incorrect/harmful by several *gasp* women, and I'm guessing the next few words to go are "stupid" or "runt". The funny part is, I have no problem with runts, being I'm Asian (stereotypically short), or stupid, as I'm not exactly smart.

That commercial was awesome, and that article is going up in my locker.

~ompa

[JSkater]

Oroku_Saki, on Feb 5 2005, 08:59 PM, said:

Speaking of over-sensitivity, I would like to share a kickass article from one of my favorite writers, Seanbaby:

http://www.thewavema...articleid=25152

Wait a sec, is that the EGM Seanbaby?

[NerfMonkey]

Ice Nine, on Feb 6 2005, 06:47 AM, said:

Oroku_Saki, on Feb 5 2005, 08:59 PM, said:

http://www.thewavema...articleid=25152

Excuse me for being ignorant, but what the fuck does a black person eating fried chicken have to do with someone dressed up as a leprechaun drinking?

I think that the fried chicken thing is saying that all black people are from the South and therefore eat a lot of fried chicken. I'm not sure, though.

[IronRhino]

No, you're wrong. It's a common stereotype that's declining in popularity that black people like fried chicken and ribs.

[cxwq]

Oroku_Saki, on Feb 5 2005, 08:59 PM, said:

http://www.thewavema...articleid=25152

Don't blame people for being overly sensitive, a relatively small minority of people has always been overly sensitive. Blame the media relations people and the journalists who cater to them. If the stories of outrage never got printed and the corporations never bothered acknowledging the vocal minority, none of this would even be an issue.

I have a right as an American to whine any time I fucking please. You of course can choose to ignore me and think I'm an idiot. The system works well until too many people with business and law degrees get involved. Fuckers.

Almost everything mentioned in that (whiny) little editorial is an example of a corporate type giving in to protect their consumer base. It's all about money.

whiny article said

Angry Irish Person: I’m deeply offended by the dEffeminatetion of the leprechaun on the cover of your magazine.

...

Publisher Peter Brafford: On behalf of The Wave, please accept our apology.

Translation:

Angry Irish Person: I'm gonna stop reading your magazine if you don't placate me. I may even try to convince my friends to stop reading it.

Publisher Peter Brafford: I don't want that, I need my numbers going up. I'm gonna lie and say I'm sorry because that's what this guy wants to hear.


It's the Hal method.

[ompa]

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The system works well until too many people with business and law degrees get involved. Fuckers.

There are alot of lawyers in America, and many of them need cases.

~ompa

[NerfMonkey]

IronRhino, on Feb 6 2005, 10:57 AM, said:

No, you're wrong. It's a common stereotype that's declining in popularity that black people like fried chicken and ribs.

Oh, okay. I just remember Mo from that show, "The Biggest Loser."

[cxwq]

ompa, on Feb 6 2005, 11:04 AM, said:

There are alot of lawyers in America, and many of them need cases.

A very concise description of one of the largest problems in this country.

[Oroku Saki]

cxwq, on Feb 6 2005, 02:01 PM, said:

Don't blame people for being overly sensitive, a relatively small minority of people has always been overly sensitive. Blame the media relations people and the journalists who cater to them. If the stories of outrage never got printed and the corporations never bothered acknowledging the vocal minority, none of this would even be an issue.

I see it as a combination of the two, however it is more the media's fault. My main gripe is the fact that people have a tendancy to overreact to such trivial things. It's true that controversy does indeed drive up ratings in media, hence why the little rare taboos we see become such a big deal in the first place.

Sometimes I wonder if society as a whole is evolving in a more advanced manner in thinking, or perhaps the opposite?

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Wait a sec, is that the EGM Seanbaby?

Yep. He writes on his own site, for the Wave, and for EGM, which is another great gaming mag I subscribe to and religiously read.

Edited by Oroku_Saki, 07 February 2005 - 05:17 PM.

[Ash]

I take great offense to these stereotypes.

I happen to love fried chicken.

[Talio]

I wouldn't really point out stopping racist, rude or offensive speach. These are pretty nessecary. I'm all for tolerance. We have to live with these people and calling them waps, gooks, niggers, spics, poloks or honkeys will not help. However I think an episode of South Park (because I don't like to plagerize where I get my ideas) sparked something in me. It was the Lemiwinks episode and it basically made the point that it's ok for people to piss you off. It's ok that things that are different from you, but you don't have to like it. That would be acceptance. The problem is when the IDIOTS of this world decide to act on these feelings and linch someone, or call them some insulting name. And thats what those words are, insulting, and no one likes it. Now I'm no activist, cause they piss me off, but I'm just pointing out that stereotypes exsist because they are normally true and you don't have to like it. Just don't insult or harm the individual.

Think of it this way. Someone sitting behind you in class is smacking their gum really loud. It pisses you off, but you don't turn around and yell, "COCKFUCK!" and then bash them over the head. There are many other solutions to the problem.

If you really want to fight the bullshit in this world, go pick up George Carlins book, "When will Jesus bring the porkchops" and read the chapters on euphamisms. It will blow your mind to realize what the baby boomer culture has done to our everyday speach.

Proof: (and this one is not from Carlins book) I go to the craft store the other day and ask for pipe cleaners. The woman looks at me like I just asked her to tear her clothes off, make me a hot meal and pleasure me while I eat. She says, they're called Shenel ends, or something stupid like this. SHE WAS ACTUALLY OFFENDED! So there are people in this world who have changed the name of pipe cleaners because it's in reference to smoking and drugs and children should not be confronted with this kind of thing. Honestly...has this world gone fucking mad?

Proof: (this one is from Carlins book) Post dramatic stress dissorder. It's a word used for soldiers who have pschological problems after war. In WW1 it was called shell shock. In WW2 it was battle fatigue. In Vietnam it was Post dramatic stress dissorder. They've managed to suck all the life out of the word. Now note the difference in the veterans. Perhaps if in Vietnam we had called it shell shock, those men would have recieved the attention they deserved. Read Carlins book for full effect of this point.

Talio.

[merlinski]

Talio, on Feb 10 2005, 09:03 AM, said:

Proof: (this one is from Carlins book) Post dramatic stress dissorder. It's a word used for soldiers who have pschological problems after war. In WW1 it was called shell shock. In WW2 it was battle fatigue. In Vietnam it was Post dramatic stress dissorder. They've managed to suck all the life out of the word. Now note the difference in the veterans. Perhaps if in Vietnam we had called it shell shock, those men would have recieved the attention they deserved. Read Carlins book for full effect of this point.

Talio.

Traumatic not Dramatic.

It's a general term to describe the affects that an extremely intense or prolonged stressful experience has on a person. While it was used to describe soldiers, it is not exclusively for people who have been through combat. It's an actual medical condition. As much as I agree with your point, this is a pretty shitty example of it. It's also not the same thing as Shell Shock, which was used to describe the state of utter confusion after an explosive shell detonated close to someone. The bottom line is this - changing the name of "Battle Fatigue" didn't really have any affect on the way people are treated. That was changed because of the prevailing ideas regarding battlefield psychology at the time. If anything, the fact that it was now a diagnosed medical condition would mean that the people in Vietnam who had this received more attention than the soldiers in WWII, who were probably given a few days rest then placed back on the lines.

[Talio]

And it really shows when you talk to my Uncle Dan who has sandbags set up in his front yard. No one is saying that the sole reason the Veitnam Soldiers didn't get attention is because of the change of word, the point is they've completely sucked the humanity out of the condition. Had they called it shell shock, and your wrong about the meaning of that word asshole:

http://www.answers.c...hell-shock&r=67

http://dictionary.re...h?q=shell shock

Perhaps they would have gotten better treatment, because the word shows some emotion behind these poor guys.

Now I think we should get back on subect and you should shut the fuck up.

Talio.

[merlinski]

You're getting pissed that I messed up a definition after you thought PTSD meant Post-Dramatic Stress Disorder? I'm wondering if you see the hypocrisy in that. My definition of "Shell Shock" came from "All Quiet on the Western Front". I guess it means combat fatigue as well. Since none of this actually has anything to do with the point we're arguing, I agree that we should get back on topic. But then again, it's sort of humiliating to argue with someone who thinks that "asshole" or "shut the fuck up" are rebuttals. Take a Prozac before you reply next time.

My point still stands. If you think that telling someone who's seen unimaginable horrors that they have "shell shock" instead of "Posttraumatic Stress Disorder" will fix things, I really hope you don't go into psychology. The entire belief that Vietnam veterans were more affected by the condition than WWII or WWI veterans is patently false. It's just that in the 70's, it was a treated medical condition. Soldiers who had what we now call PTSD in WWII were just given a few days rest then sent back into battle. And believe me, it seriously fucked with their heads.

Edited by merlinski, 11 February 2005 - 01:46 PM.