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#1 FoamsFired

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Posted 27 December 2015 - 11:20 PM

Does the extra weight of the solid tips on the Nerf knockoffs on Amazon make them perform better? I am new to non Nerf Brand darts and are not yet ready to make stefans. I am a noob obviously.

Any insight?
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#2 TrexMan2003

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Posted 28 December 2015 - 06:15 AM

The simple answer is yes. However, some think that these darts are dangerouse but this theory has been debunked.


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#3 FoamsFired

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Posted 28 December 2015 - 09:43 AM

Thanks.
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#4 Tobias

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Posted 28 December 2015 - 11:39 AM

These darts are commonly referred to as "China darts" or FVJs. They fly more accurately, but due to their increased weight, with less velocity. However, this does not necessarily mean less range due to momentum and such. (I'm no physicist)

Hope this helps :)


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#5 ElliottW

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Posted 29 December 2015 - 09:43 PM

First let me say I love the term "full vinyl jacket". Whoever thought of that is brilliant. I accidentally bought a hundred FVJs last month, before the hype/myth about the alleged dangers of using them. And let me say, as an engineer who took a LOT of physics, we're talking about differences of milligrams at speeds generally below 60mph. A twelve year old girl with a well packed snowball will do considerably more damage than a 1.3 gram Nerf dart at 100fps. And I've been hit by a bunch of well thrown snowballs from a strong twelve year old girl, and unbelievable as it might sound, I've lived to tell the tale. So let's get real you pussies. Welts ? Really ? Give me a break.

The FVJs are definitely more accurate. You don't need a chrono, or high def video to figure it out, just shoot a few hundred yourself and you can tell. They're definitely better than genuine Nerf darts. But again, that's not saying much. If the genuine Nerf brand dart is the benchmark, then the bar is pretty low. In fact it couldn't be lower. I don't think there's a dart on the market that claims to be less accurate than the Nerf.

But there are limitations. The FVJs are a millimeter or two longer than regular nerf darts. They're also a quarter millimeter thicker. And that's a problem, especially for my flywheel blaster for some reason. They jam a LOT. Not just once in a while, all the time. They just don't work. They're great in my single shot and front load blasters, and clip fed blasters, and definitely more consistent. Sometimes more accurate. But as I've said before, "accurate" and "nerf" should not be used in the same sentence by reasonably educated, well socialized individuals.

I like the black ACCurate darts slightly better. And I've got a couple hundred Gen 3 Koosh darts coming. But these solid tipped knockoff Chinese darts are perfectly good, and a definite step up from Nerf brand darts. And WAY cheaper.

Edited by ElliottW, 29 December 2015 - 10:38 PM.

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#6 shmmee

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Posted 30 December 2015 - 09:19 AM

Can we include links when we reference purchasable darts? It'll make keeping it all straight easier.

 

 

As a christmas gift I took a risk and bought two 200ct  bundles (400 friggan darts!) of blue suction cup darts from amazon:

 

http://www.amazon.co...ailpage_o08_s00

 

Shipping was weeks faster than it predicted and the foam was denser than nerf's. The 10 I randomly picked shot without complaint from the rampage I had laying around. Some of the tails were squished from the packaging - but that should be fixable by a ten second tumble in a pre heated dryer. (test a small sample of darts first). The heads *seem* well attached, I haven't tried pulling on them to find out.

 

200 nerf-comperable sucker darts for $13 is a pretty amazing deal. 


Edited by shmmee, 30 December 2015 - 09:21 AM.

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#7 limegreennerf

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Posted 30 December 2015 - 06:41 PM

My preference is still the Koosh darts gen 3.  The FVJ darts and the ACCurate darts tend to sting more.  While I don't mind the more sting, we deal with lots of people that have 5 yr olds - teenagers and adults using them and the younger ones don't like that sting and I need to keep our customers happy.  They all fly more accurate.  The only benefit of the FVJ and ACCurate darts over the Koosh is price which can be a big benefit.  However the FVJ have also been banned from some wars.  

 

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#8 ElliottW

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Posted 02 January 2016 - 10:52 PM

Schmee,

 

Excellent shopping skills ! That dryer trick works great, doesn't it. Another trick I've used is a 4 second dip in boiling water. Restores 'em to nearly new. Some of the Chinese darts don't tolerate heat well, so test one first my friend.

 

I respectfully disagree with previous comments that FVJs and ACCurates "sting" more. Forget the physics and the opinions. Prove it for yourself. Have someone blast you and decide for yourself. I think you will find, as I have, that there is absolutely no difference. A good t-shirt makes excellent Nerf body armor. Ban = Hype.

 

As requested, here are some places I've bought darts.

 

ACCurates:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/151793427307

 

FVJs:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/301768252310

 

Gen3s:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/181380906010

 

Peace.


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