As to the vietnam part though, have you noticed that most vietnam veterans oppose war? The people who want war are those who have never seen combat.
Vietnam vets are opposed to war because 1. It was drilled into their heads. They came home to a bunch of assholes who shunned and hated them. If they weren't hated, then they were simply told that what they did was wrong and pointless. I wouldn't want war either if that's what I had to come home to.
2. That war was half against civilians... that's just not fun, man. Killing women and kids is never something that people want to repeat. Sure, bombing kills civilians, sure, but it's not so up close and personal.
Why the hell should we pay for psychological and social programs in the Middle-east? This country doesn't pay for psychological programs in itself... Besides, that's simply brainwashing. That would make us pretty much repeating the crusades, only for America instead of God. Sure, I understand what those people were subjected to, and that's a shame. I know that they have been raised to believe what they do just the same as we were raised to believe the things we have engrained in our skulls; The problem is that that's who they are, and that's what makes them our enemy. When a serial killer goes around and kills a good number of people and he's finally caught, we aren't like "oh, that poor soul, look at what he was subjected to when he was young, let's not hate him for what he did", people are more disgusted and hateful of that person. This is pretty much the same thing. I'm not so much as even saying those people are wrong for believing what they do. I completely see where they are coming from and I can even say they were justified in some sense, but that still makes them our enemies, regardless of wether we had it coming or not.
And what the fuck do you want them to do to ground zero? Leave the rubble there for all to observe? Be realistic, of course it's a construction site. They are going to rebuild it which, if you ask me, is possibly one of the best ways to get back at them. It's kind of like saying "yeah sure you knocked 'em down, but we are just gonna put better ones up" followed by a flip of the bird. If I were in charge, I'd build ones that looked exactly the same, but alas I am not. If we were to leave shit laying around, it wouldn't be us remembering what happened, it would be us letting them win.
Oh, and that whole post wasn't aimed at you, at was aimed at people who have been posting here in general, hence the lack of names.
BTW, Jon, learn to spell and work on the grammar there pal, I had to read your post at a snail's pace to figure out what ideas you were trying to convey.
Yeah, we are at war with Sadam, no he isn't the one who attacked us HOWEVER, Sadam has a large surplus of weapons he shouldn't... and what's to keep him from supplying the terrorists who have offended us? That's one of the things we are trying to avoid here.
And, on a lighter note...
I at the time was a communist
Lived on a collective farm
She was a part-time anarchist
Our sex went off like a bomb
Living the life of a terrorist
Looking for the man Saddam,
Who gave me a gun as Iran to the sun
If you die like a dog then you are
then you are
They shall drown in their own blood!
Hail Saddam a go-go!
Going to Saddam a go-go
Everybody is there
Business of strange bed fellows
Makes you dance around like a bear
Ein, Schwein, kick him in the eye
Teamed up with the Asian eye
They were the ones
Who could rise with the sun
As they lived in their planes
And they died
How they died...
The running paper tiger chases its own tail
Hail Saddam a go-go
He was someone who was there for people like me
Hi there Saddam, loved the party
Yes they're all here with me
Loves you always, always a kick
Even though the smell is making me sick
As we sit on our roofs
And cheer as your scuds fall like rain
Here at the ancient ziggaraunt
Saddam is presiding there
Running around with a saxophone
Where is the president, where?
Here it comes, the black tornado
Let's have a cheer for Sarajevo
If you survive what falls out of his mind
You'll make the political world