Holy shit people, what the fuck. I don't think this became a Slug vs. everything else discussion.
I'm not capable of forcing you or anyone to use silicone darts, nor would I if I could. I just plan to encourage their use in the midwest, and to ban hard material darts at the wars I host. Then, once the midwest has universally adopted those standards, you guys on the east coast can start using them and pretend that you supported them all along.
Use what you want; nobody has forced anyone to use our darts or demanded that the community switch to whatever we're using. We're just providing alternative methods for darts that do not contain hard materials. Some people think this is important, some don't. For the ones that don't, continue using slugs. Your wars can have whatever rules they want. If Kane or I want to move towards using soft material darts, I don't see how that affects you or the east coast. Kane should be entitled to his ideas, whether they are awesome or suck balls.
As of right now, you are basically spamming the forums. Posting a dart design that hasn't been tested at a war is only marginally less ridiculous than posting an ms paint diagram of a homemade you haven't built yet. Twice you've posted new threads about darts that had barely cured when you posted them, which objectively failed as darts when you actually tried using them at a war. Given that this has become a pattern, and that there is actually an appropriate place for this sort of thing, you can consider this your first warning. In the future, I suggest one or more of the following:
- Waiting until you hit upon something that works so well at a real nerf war that most other attendees actually want to make some for themselves, and then posting a writeup.
- Designing a dart or glue-able dart-tip for your possibly imaginary target demographic, having it mass produced, and offering it for sale.
- Leveraging your incredible charisma and charm to start your own nerf forum for people who share your bizarre priorities.
- Rage-quitting in favor of NRes
Really? Spamming the forums, that's pretty ridiculous. As Kane mentioned, many people post write-ups on homemades that probably don't work 100% at one point in time. I've personally witnessed this several times, and it probably happens more with modifications as well. I didn't ever think it was a criteria that it had to be war tested before you could post about it on the forums. If this were the case, I think every blaster I've created would've been posted 3-4 months later as we don't go to wars nearly as often as we used to. You're also pretty much screwing over people who don't live near major nerf communities, who may rarely go to a war. What are they supposed to do? Post once a year? I just don't understand why make a big difference if it's tested at a war, or if it's tested at your house.
I'm pretty sure homemades don't have this rule, so why should it be constrained to darts?
Every dart type I have posted has been tested quite thoroughly, and known problems have been disclosed. The nature of hoppers is basically magic, so it's not uncommon for a dart design to work perfectly for a week, then not work at all the next week (or day, or month), and then work perfectly again the week after. Anyone who's spent time trying to develop better darts for hoppers has experienced this or not tested their darts enough.
All the dart designs Kane and I have developed have been test fired thousands of times at his house. Like Kane said, the hoppers we use basically work on magic. We've been working on creating our own hoppers that have no problems feeding almost any dart. If we want to develop this and use special darts in special hoppers, I don't see a problem with that. If anything we are working on creating something that works even better than both slugs and the conventional wye hoppers that are being used today. Just because it doesn't fill your agenda doesn't mean everyone else in the community hates it and doesn't see the benefit of working towards creating a better dart.
I would rather see people post their failed designs so we can learn from other people's mistakes and use their knowledge to help us decide what to do, and what not
to do in the future. There are plenty of great things about any of the darts that we've used and helped us learn what to do next, and what we should never do again. It's pointless to see people do the same mistakes when they could be using our knowledge to help build off our ideas. This is the whole point of the forums.
I think it's fair to tell you that from this point on, you should war test your darts before posting another entirely new thread about a design that hasn't been proven to consistently work in most people's blasters. There is a more appropriate place for photos of what I would consider to be a work in progress. There are already two comprehensive writeups for dart designs that are about as useful as those shotshells everyone went nuts for last year. There are two more new threads you've posted in the last week, one of which could have been a reply to one of the many existing silicone dome threads, and one which could have been a reply to an existing tape wrap dart thread (or either of them could've been posted to the photos thread instead).
If you want us to post new dart ideas in the pictures thread, other people should be allowed to discuss stuff about it as much as they want. This is the opposite theory of the pictures thread in both the other forums, so let Kane have his threads. Each were separate ideas and deserved their own threads.
The volume of dart threads has increased since the new DB forum launch. That was not my intent. My intent was to remove the ambiguity when choosing a forum to post new threads, and to make the existing info easier to find. Since we're only about a week in, I don't think it's unreasonable to lay out some ground rules as we go along. My first new rule is that people habitually posting designs that haven't been war tested will get one warning before I start closing their threads. This is a bit different from homemades because people usually don't get past one crappy homemade writeup before they figure out what they're doing wrong or give up. I guess if it makes you feel any better I could start ragging on buffdaddy if he starts posting homemade airguns again, but that's about as close as we're going to get. If you want, you can look at it as a derivative of the 'no more nitefinder writeups please' policy.
This was completely my intent when I suggested we do this. The only real existing information on darts is the Slug write-up, and that's pretty much it. Maybe we should delete every dart thread and only have that thread?
All of my darts do work consistently with everyone's blasters, provided they are not hoppered. I agree that "provided they are not wye-hoppered" is a HUGE catch for a lot of people, myself included. Still, you must remember that there are still people who like homemade darts and who do not use hoppers, or, are willing to build hoppers that don't require special darts. If it is your intent for this to be a conventional-PVC-wye-hopperable-darts and barrels forum, you should label it as such.
This is a very, very valid point. In no instance was there ever a disclaimer that we could only post darts that work in conventional wye hoppers. For every other circumstance, these darts work flawlessly in singled barrels, breeches, turrets, RSCBs, etc. Of course most of us think hopperability is a very important criteria, but there is no rules against such darts. Special hoppers are probably the answer to a lot of feed related issues, and we're working on that. We've already created hoppers using conduit 45s, and they work great in that.