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#1 Soothsayer

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Posted 21 March 2009 - 06:10 PM

So I recently came upon a broken SS SM5K for dirt cheap (about 10 bucks)

Well no sense in letting one of the most badass and comfortable shells go to waste, right?

I give you

Bella

(italian for beautiful/attractive)

For this write up:
AT2K Tank
AT3K Tank
Magstrike bladder
Magstrike pump
hornet/AT2K pump
Dremel
Pliers
Needle nose pliers
Hot glue gun
Super glue
goop
screwdrivers
vinyl tubing
vinyl tubing connectors
scissors
trigger wire
keyring
CPVC
PVC couplers
e-tape
duct tape
metal twist clamps
a pen head
paint brushes
acrylic paint
spray paint
clear coat

I'm probably missing some of the shit I used, but whatever.


First, open up your magstrike, unscrew the clamp holding the bladder in place, yank the bladder off, and take cut out this piece
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put said piece back into bladder with super glue around the edge of one of the raised rings
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Next, bust out the dremel and go to TOWN on the fake tank looking part of the SM5K
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Get this set up goin' on with the tank, bladder, and pump, and the metal clamp around the ms bladder
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dremel down the little plastic things in the back of the gun to make room for the tubing
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Remember that detachable scope?
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Pretty cool I guess....but

Lets throw a fucking AT3K tank in there!
Cut the very front of the scope off carefully, and dremel the inside to hell and back into your tank of choice fits
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I ran an AT3K pump handle into the scope so my trigger wire had a nice path, and added a pen head so it would dangle
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add a nice little handle to your pump handle
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you can do whatever you want with the barrel system from here, personally I choose to use a PVC couple, so I can vary it up if need be

right now, CPVC breech system
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You're finished, good sir!

now slap a bad ass paint job on there
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changed bello to bella (thanks caps!)
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Main gun:
15 pumps - 80-110ft (dart supply is very low right now, so that's the results vary so wide)

AT3K scope:
4 pumps - 60-70ft (I use a fairly short barrel on it)


Comments? questions? flames? praise?

haha, I fucked up on my behalf with the paint job, supposed to be "bella"
I blame my idiot teacher :P


PS: With the weather and my life looking really up lately (new job, car, girlfriend who I'm crazy about)

Now is a really good time to get something from me, modding service wise. Just give me a PM with the gun you had in mind, what you'd want done (or for me to just surprise you), color scheme, all that jazz.

Edited by Soothsayer, 26 April 2010 - 03:22 PM.

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Posted 21 March 2009 - 06:21 PM

Awesome.
Great PJ.
Used every inch of space PERFECTLY... And that 'scope' too.

I wish people wouldn't post awesome stuff like this, it makes me realize how bad i actually SUCK.
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Posted 21 March 2009 - 06:23 PM

Cool, great use of all the dead space. We're seeing alot of these kinda things lately which is good.
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Posted 21 March 2009 - 06:45 PM

Sorry if this is obvious, but do you get multiple shots off with one filling? I can't tell if you're just getting one mega shot, or you're pulling the trigger real quick so it all doesn't go out at once. If you can only get one shot off then the bladder seems a little pointless.

Nice job, though.

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Posted 21 March 2009 - 06:59 PM

That's some awesome work you got there man. I'm digging the color scheme.
Except, I don't like the name. I don't see a Nerf gun as something bello. In fact any object shouldn't be called bello. IDK, maybe its because I only use the word bella when associating with girls and/or people, not objects. I am of Latino descent so yes, I know what I'm talking about. Just an opinion though, don't start a flame.
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#6 Soothsayer

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Posted 21 March 2009 - 07:23 PM

Sorry if this is obvious, but do you get multiple shots off with one filling? I can't tell if you're just getting one mega shot, or you're pulling the trigger real quick so it all doesn't go out at once. If you can only get one shot off then the bladder seems a little pointless.

Nice job, though.

I can sometimes get 2 shots off, might add some springs behind the firing pin of the AT2k tank to help with this.



CAPS - It's dedicated to my girlfriend. Favorite colors of her's, and that's the nickname I have for her. Dunno what else to say.
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Posted 21 March 2009 - 08:00 PM

This reminds me of your Ol' Painless. Well, the paintjob atleast. Nice job making use of all the deadspace. I like it. Great Job!
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Posted 21 March 2009 - 09:46 PM

Sorry if this is obvious, but do you get multiple shots off with one filling? I can't tell if you're just getting one mega shot, or you're pulling the trigger real quick so it all doesn't go out at once. If you can only get one shot off then the bladder seems a little pointless.

Nice job, though.

I can sometimes get 2 shots off, might add some springs behind the firing pin of the AT2k tank to help with this.



CAPS - It's dedicated to my girlfriend. Favorite colors of her's, and that's the nickname I have for her. Dunno what else to say.


Hahaha,
Oh wow dude. Hey I'm all for that. But...
You might want to consider changing that Nickname to "Bella" not "Bello". Bello is for guys. Bella is for girls.
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Posted 21 March 2009 - 09:57 PM

Sorry if this is obvious, but do you get multiple shots off with one filling? I can't tell if you're just getting one mega shot, or you're pulling the trigger real quick so it all doesn't go out at once. If you can only get one shot off then the bladder seems a little pointless.

Nice job, though.

I can sometimes get 2 shots off, might add some springs behind the firing pin of the AT2k tank to help with this.



CAPS - It's dedicated to my girlfriend. Favorite colors of her's, and that's the nickname I have for her. Dunno what else to say.


Hahaha,
Oh wow dude. Hey I'm all for that. But...
You might want to consider changing that Nickname to "Bella" not "Bello". Bello is for guys. Bella is for girls.

Haha, duly noted man. Definitely fix this up soon enough
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#10 perezinthenet

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Posted 22 March 2009 - 07:23 AM

You should cut the magstrike bladder in half, youd get similar ranges with like half the pumps
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#11 Soothsayer

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Posted 22 March 2009 - 11:52 AM

You should cut the magstrike bladder in half, youd get similar ranges with like half the pumps

if I can't figure out a way to get 2 shots efficiently like dizzyducks "The Dragon", I'll most likely do that, or make a CPVC tank expansion instead.
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Posted 22 March 2009 - 12:22 PM

Very nice! I really like the AT3K in the scope idea. Apart from that, a few suggestions:
I would replace the pump with a dual action bike pump like Ryan##### did. That way you would not have to pump it as much. I think you might have a leak or something because the ranges you are getting are standard AT2K ranges, you should be getting close to 100ft with as singled, plugged 2k, without the MS bladder. Cutting the MS bladder in half would, as perezinthenet said, keep your ranges and make it possible to achieve good pressure with (judging by how fast my dual action bike pump pumps my titan) 4 or 5 pumps. Hope this helps.
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It's just screaming to be rearloading...

I seen a movie about that once.



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Posted 22 March 2009 - 12:30 PM

Very nice! I really like the AT3K in the scope idea. Apart from that, a few suggestions:
I would replace the pump with a dual action bike pump like Ryan##### did. That way you would not have to pump it as much. I think you might have a leak or something because the ranges you are getting are standard AT2K ranges, you should be getting close to 100ft with as singled, plugged 2k, without the MS bladder. Cutting the MS bladder in half would, as perezinthenet said, keep your ranges and make it possible to achieve good pressure with (judging by how fast my dual action bike pump pumps my titan) 4 or 5 pumps. Hope this helps.

I'm fine with the MS pump for now. The actual barrel part of my main guns breech isn't too long, which is definitely accounting for the lack of range, that and I think that when the dart is leaving the barrel, a shit load of extra air is blowing out after it and fucking up it's flight path.

I'll probably get to cutting the bladder down today and lengthening the barrel today and posting the results.

thanks for the input
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Posted 22 March 2009 - 01:54 PM

This is the same concept I had for The Dragon, except I used a SM1.5k instead of a SM5k. I wanted to get multiple shots off, but I realized that I couldn't do it; the pressure from the bladder would keep the tank from closing shut and the increase in range from singling wasn't worth the extra pumps required to prime the bladder to capacity.

One solution would be to use the release valve from the Magstrike as an intermediary to control when the tank would be filled. It would allow multiple shots that way, and you wouldn't put nearly as much stress on the 2k tank when you fire it.

Also a check valve between the bladder and the tank would help.
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Posted 22 March 2009 - 01:57 PM

This is the same concept I had for The Dragon, except I used a SM1.5k instead of a SM5k. I wanted to get multiple shots off, but I realized that I couldn't do it; the pressure from the bladder would keep the tank from closing shut and the increase in range from singling wasn't worth the extra pumps required to prime the bladder to capacity.

One solution would be to use the release valve from the Magstrike as an intermediary to control when the tank would be filled. It would allow multiple shots that way, and you wouldn't put nearly as much stress on the 2k tank when you fire it.

Also a check valve between the bladder and the tank would help.

if I get a hold of a MS release valve, I'll probably try this.
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Posted 22 March 2009 - 03:27 PM

This is the same concept I had for The Dragon, except I used a SM1.5k instead of a SM5k. I wanted to get multiple shots off, but I realized that I couldn't do it; the pressure from the bladder would keep the tank from closing shut and the increase in range from singling wasn't worth the extra pumps required to prime the bladder to capacity.

One solution would be to use the release valve from the Magstrike as an intermediary to control when the tank would be filled. It would allow multiple shots that way, and you wouldn't put nearly as much stress on the 2k tank when you fire it.

Also a check valve between the bladder and the tank would help.

if I get a hold of a MS release valve, I'll probably try this.


Try a pressure regulator from mcmaster. Just open a valve, then let a certain amount of air transfer, depending on the PSI settings of the regulator, then close the valve, and fire. Only problem I foresee would be getting the tank to a decent pressure with the bladder. Bladders expand rather than letting the PSI get up too high. You might have better luck with a PVC tank.
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Posted 22 March 2009 - 05:06 PM

Sounds like I'll just stick with making the MS bladder smaller, or changing it to a CPVC addition. I don't particularly need 2 or 3 shots, I'm fine enough with it how it is.
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Posted 22 March 2009 - 05:28 PM

Sounds like I'll just stick with making the MS bladder smaller, or changing it to a CPVC addition. I don't particularly need 2 or 3 shots, I'm fine enough with it how it is.


But why then even have an expansion if you don't want to get off multiple shots? The Sm500 gets more than enough range as it is.

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Posted 22 March 2009 - 05:45 PM

Sounds like I'll just stick with making the MS bladder smaller, or changing it to a CPVC addition. I don't particularly need 2 or 3 shots, I'm fine enough with it how it is.


But why then even have an expansion if you don't want to get off multiple shots? The Sm500 gets more than enough range as it is.

I wanna keep the gun legal. That's pretty much my solid answer to that.
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Posted 22 March 2009 - 09:07 PM

Sounds like I'll just stick with making the MS bladder smaller, or changing it to a CPVC addition. I don't particularly need 2 or 3 shots, I'm fine enough with it how it is.


But why then even have an expansion if you don't want to get off multiple shots? The Sm500 gets more than enough range as it is.

I wanna keep the gun legal. That's pretty much my solid answer to that.


Right, so wouldn't adding that bladder make it more likely to be illegal? Sm5000's already are borderline legal, without a tank expansion.
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Posted 22 March 2009 - 09:26 PM

Sounds like I'll just stick with making the MS bladder smaller, or changing it to a CPVC addition. I don't particularly need 2 or 3 shots, I'm fine enough with it how it is.


But why then even have an expansion if you don't want to get off multiple shots? The Sm500 gets more than enough range as it is.

I wanna keep the gun legal. That's pretty much my solid answer to that.


Right, so wouldn't adding that bladder make it more likely to be illegal? Sm5000's already are borderline legal, without a tank expansion.

You realize I'm not using a fucking SM5K tank right?
I keep getting the feeling you don't.

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Posted 23 March 2009 - 06:52 PM

Sounds like I'll just stick with making the MS bladder smaller, or changing it to a CPVC addition. I don't particularly need 2 or 3 shots, I'm fine enough with it how it is.


But why then even have an expansion if you don't want to get off multiple shots? The Sm500 gets more than enough range as it is.

I wanna keep the gun legal. That's pretty much my solid answer to that.


Right, so wouldn't adding that bladder make it more likely to be illegal? Sm5000's already are borderline legal, without a tank expansion.

You realize I'm not using a fucking SM5K tank right?
I keep getting the feeling you don't.


Whoops, I must have missed that. This makes a whole lot more sense now. If that's the case, do a PVC expansion on the tank, as close to the dump valve as possible with as wide a connection point as possible. Making it like that will make it require a not as big tank because of better flow, which will translate to less pumps for equal ranges.
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Posted 23 March 2009 - 07:26 PM

TB- haha, alright, I'm glad I cleared that up. Yeah, I'll probably do something like that. I need to get a hold of an AT2K tank with the goo gauge on it, until then, I just made it so the main is JUST an AT2K tank
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