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#1 CruxZader

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Posted 08 March 2009 - 11:06 PM

Just watched the movie and I want to say that was one Effeminate movie. Talk about a killer storyline and the action is preatty good too, not to mention there are some parts not meant for the little kidies. The characters are very welll developed and I would say that the first hour of the movie in my opinion was straigt fro the graphic novel. 11 out of 10
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Posted 08 March 2009 - 11:40 PM

I know someone who said it was really violent. True?
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Posted 08 March 2009 - 11:43 PM

It wasn't that good. I would give it an 8 out of 10. Here are my following complaints.

-While it had an original score, they didn't use it enough. There were far too many scenes where they used pre-recorded music. I think a complete original score would have made the film stand out more.
-The female actors in the film did very little for me. While their performances were no where near terrible they were just eh.
-Not a fan of the added violence, and all the super flying people when they got punched. I felt that was a little ridiculous.

With all that, it was not as "perfect" as you think. The intricate storyline that Alan Moore included in the novel is severely cut down and parts cut out. I find that many important characters in the Novel make just mere cameo's. Over the past 20 years no one has been able to make this into a film, and I have to give some major credit to Zack Snyder for adapting the novel into this film. Keyword there is adapting.
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Posted 08 March 2009 - 11:44 PM

I know someone who said it was really violent. True?

Well, it just happens to be rated R.
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Posted 09 March 2009 - 12:33 AM

See, I liked the gore and violence, not because it was cool (which it really was :lol: ) but because it added to the story. When you read the book, you have more time to let the characters situation sink in. You can reread the panels, or just set it down and think about it. They don't have that luxury in a movie, and I think the violence helped you realize the gravity of the situation around the characters more than you would, had the shirked on the gore.

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Posted 09 March 2009 - 12:39 AM

I know someone who said it was really violent. True?

Well, it just happens to be rated R.


It's not rated R because of the violence. There's just some scenes that shouldn't be viewed by 5-6 year olds (and those under 18). Especially when it's way past their bed time.

Over all, I thought it was great. It even made my friend a little confused because of all the flashbacks and not knowing the whole story. I can't say that I knew much about the story line when I first saw the movie.
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Posted 09 March 2009 - 02:14 AM

-While it had an original score, they didn't use it enough. There were far too many scenes where they used pre-recorded music. I think a complete original score would have made the film stand out more.

I loved the pre-recorded music. It set the mood for the era. And I loved the way the action was done: hokey on purpose.

I think it was about as good as you could make a Watchmen movie. Naturally, a lot of plot elements and subtly were cut out, but that is the nature of the medium.

It's not rated R because of the violence. There's just some scenes that shouldn't be viewed by 5-6 year olds (and those under 18). Especially when it's way past their bed time.

This is one of the worst movies you could take young children to. It will scare them shitless, and screw with their minds.

Edited by Daniel Beaver, 09 March 2009 - 02:16 AM.

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Posted 09 March 2009 - 05:56 AM

The plot was amazing, though that credit goes to Alan Moore. I thought the movie could have been better. For one, the porno scene in the owlship was pretty ridiculous, and I busted out laughing in the theater. Also, near the end the lines and acting looked like a soap opera. I would read the novel instead for the full effect.
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Posted 09 March 2009 - 10:40 AM

We went after the war on Saturday. I honestly don't see it. Maybe I need to read the book. And it's absolutely rated R for the violence. Also boobies. And pee pees.

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Posted 09 March 2009 - 11:07 AM

Famine mentioned to me that Alan Moore at one point listed the music he would use if he were to create a soundtrack for the graphic novel. These may have been those songs, but I honestly don't know. Either way, I think the song choices were jarring to the film itself. On more than one occasion I found myself thinking how poorly one section of the film's score transitioned into another. I understand the idea of setting the scene with era-appropriate music, but that is hardly a good excuse for a poorly arranged sound track.

The movie, aside from one or two points where I could not understand why snyder would have changed something, was remarkably faithful to the book. And the one big change, the ending, was so much more reasonable and made so much more sense than the original ending, that I applaud the alteration. That said, a great graphic novel does not neccessarily a good movie make. The pacing and editing was disapointing, however, they were pretty similar to the pacing and scene order of the original work. I've said it before; Watchmen is not the greatest comic ever written because it really is not a comic. It is a graphic novel in every sense of the term. If anyone goes into this expecting a comic-movie, they are ripe for disapointment.

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Posted 09 March 2009 - 11:32 AM

You're right about the soundtrack. I know nothing about the Watchmen, but the music very rarely matched the tone. The worst one was when they played All Along the Watchtower. Like okay, you're Dad was an ass hole that killed millions of civilians and Vietnamese...And now, Mr. Jimi Hendrix!

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Posted 09 March 2009 - 02:03 PM

Famine mentioned to me that Alan Moore at one point listed the music he would use if he were to create a soundtrack for the graphic novel. These may have been those songs, but I honestly don't know. Either way, I think the song choices were jarring to the film itself. On more than one occasion I found myself thinking how poorly one section of the film's score transitioned into another. I understand the idea of setting the scene with era-appropriate music, but that is hardly a good excuse for a poorly arranged sound track.

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I think that he has lyrics for a few different songs actually in the book, it's been a long time since I read it though. I thought the music they used was great, but to each his own I guess.

It wasn't that good. I would give it an 8 out of 10.


Really, an 8 out of 10 isn't that good? If you didn't like it you might as well give it a low rating. It's a movie not a video game, so I think people are still allowed to use the full spectrum of 1-10.
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Posted 09 March 2009 - 02:23 PM

I never said I didn't like it, those were just my complaints. I still enjoyed it greatly and thought it was a good adaptation of the graphic novel. My favorite movie only has a 9 out of 10 in my book, so I'm not one to rate things highly. I was just replying to CruxZader's 11 out of 10.

And as far as the songs in the graphic novel, there were. I know that All Along the Watchtower was in the graphic novel. But I think it was on the trip to Antarctica rather than when they arrived. So they kinda skipped it over in the film, but still included the song.

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Posted 09 March 2009 - 02:30 PM

This movie fucking rocked.





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Not anything special, just cool.

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Posted 09 March 2009 - 02:45 PM

There were lyrics from songs sprinkled throughout the book, but only at the beginning of chapters. There are many scenes and different settings/eras in most of the chapters. I was under the impression that Moore had, somewhere, given a list of songs he would use for a complete sound track. Not all of the songs in the movie appear in the book.
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Posted 09 March 2009 - 07:23 PM

EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!It had pee-pees groty.YAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!BOOBIES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Posted 09 March 2009 - 10:21 PM

EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!It had pee-pees groty.YAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!BOOBIES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Thank you for finally giving me the perfect post to say goodbye forever. Goodbye.....forever.
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Posted 09 March 2009 - 10:32 PM

EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!It had pee-pees groty.YAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!BOOBIES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Thank you for finally giving me the perfect post to say goodbye forever. Goodbye.....forever.

He's...gone?
So I'm hearing that it was worth seeing, but not great? I want to see it, but I've heard mixed reviews.
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Posted 09 March 2009 - 11:24 PM

The movie was awesome and shitty at the same time.

"You people think I am stuck in here with you? You're stuck in here with me!"

Amazing.


I did not like the fact that I was like 2.2 hours into the film and I had no idea who the bad guy was.

It was like a historic graphic novel murder mystery.
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Posted 10 March 2009 - 01:29 AM

I don't mean to offend Angel but did it really take you that long to guess that Veidt (or whatever his name is) was the killer? I've never read the graphic novel but the first time I saw the trailer with him in it I knew beyond a doubt that he was bad. In fact, I thought that the Comedian was a villain and Dr. Manhattan was going to come into the movie just like the big robot in The Day the Earth Stood Still and then kill everybody. Turns out all three of them had evil tendencies. But Veidt especially look suspicious. And then when the Comedian was killed you could tell that the killer was really fast and strong just like Veidt.

Also, did anyone of you guys see the folder titled "Boys" in Veidt's computer? Me thinks he has something naughty in there. And did you notice Abraham Lincoln's face made out of shadows on the mountains on Mars? It was shown just when Dr. Manhattan and Silk Specter were on the glass ship and he said something about the ever-shifting terrains of Mars.

And I heard that the creator of the Watchmen graphic novel does not like the movie. I enjoyed most of it but I think the ending could've been done better--and that really dragged it down for me. 7/10
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Posted 10 March 2009 - 07:40 AM

The novel is incredible. Angel, it's unfortunate because the movie ruined the twists and turns that are so sudden and surprising in the novel, but if you enjoyed the prison scenes with Rorschach, you should read the book. They completely neutered his interactions with the psychiatrist, and the story he tells about the crime that turned Walter Kovacs into Rorschach for good is so much more intense in the graphic novel. By the time he tells them that they're trapped in there with him, you understand completely and utterly that while he detests being grouped in with what he sees as trash and utter human waste, there is something almost like...resignation in the way he carries himself. He feels as though he's the only one that can finish what the law did not, and he has no problem doing that while he has the opportunity. Be warned, though, as graphic novels go, it is as long as they get.

As far as Alan Moore, the author, hating the movie, I think you probably didn't get the whole story. In fact, I'd be rather surprised if he saw the movie. He is a crazy recluse who got standard big comic corporation treatment from DC, and flipped out over how poorly he was, as most writers are, treated. It began as a dispute over royalties for toys that dc labeled "promotional material" so as not to have to pay him, and spiraled into a hatred of all things DC. Moore even joined a smaller comic company to escape the politics only to have its creator sell out to DC. He refuses to accept payment or credit for any of his work published by DC and demanded that his name not be found ANYWHERE in the film, which it was not (though the artist, Dave Gibbons, did receive payment and credit). He has said that he has no interest in film adaptations of any of his work, and was shown to be rather prophetic after what happened to V, and the League of Extraordinary Gentlemen. Also, Alan Moore is batshit crazy insane. That is all.
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Posted 10 March 2009 - 08:39 AM

The movie was awesome and shitty at the same time.

"You people think I am stuck in here with you? You're stuck in here with me!"

Amazing.


I did not like the fact that I was like 2.2 hours into the film and I had no idea who the bad guy was.

It was like a historic graphic novel murder mystery.


Didnít the not knowing make it better? As a long time fan of the book I thought the movie was telegraphing who the villain was. But if it is not obvious to a first time viewer than they must have done something right.

And now for my two bits: On the whole I liked the movie (warts and all). While the film did not transcend the medium of film; in the way that the novel transcended the medium of the comics, it did serve competently as a deconstruction of the superhero mythos.
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Posted 10 March 2009 - 08:49 AM

Alright i'll throw in my thoughts since I've read the book and seen the movie. I felt the first half of so of the movie was very true to the novel but as soon as rorschach was put in prison they started to change it or cut it short. I did not like how they changed who said certain lines, and i did not like the added lines , though they might have helped explain the story a bit i felt like the graphic novel had much better dialogue. The soundtrack was kind of funny because it seemed so retro and happy for a movie set in such a dark time. One other thing that bugged me were the actors for ozzy and Dr. manhattan, Ozzy's actor was two young and Doc manhattan had a very soft voice for the fact that he was a totally ripped blue guy capable of exploding people/things, In the book i pictured him with a much more load and powerful voice.
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Posted 10 March 2009 - 05:12 PM

I'll have to agree with you on the casting. Viedt seemed too...almost scrawny looking in the movie. In the comic he is much more charismatic, and charming until the end. Also Manhattan's voice in the movie was different from what I expected, but it was a pleasant change, along with the plot change at the end. After all, he was a scientist, and it brings a sense of vulnerability to an indestructible naked blue man. As for the cuts, from a movie standpoint it couldn't be avoided. The movie was already almost three hours long, so they had to cut down something.

One thing also the movie failed to capture was the world of Watchmen. At the end of each chapter of the graphic novel, there are fake newspaper clippings, excerpts from books, and interviews with the old generation of heroes. It really adds something to the whole experience impossible to replicate in any other form.
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Posted 10 March 2009 - 05:12 PM

Dangit. First double post and I haven't even made it over 50.

Edited by minsc, 10 March 2009 - 05:15 PM.

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