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[TantumBull]

Update:


I added a piece from the LSFG faux barrel. What do you guys think? I kinda got the idea from Sunshine's BBB.

Edited by TantumBull, 11 March 2009 - 06:04 PM.

[sputnik]

I revised mine too!






Sweet huh.

[Split]

Aside from Busta being obliviously condescending, he's right. These breeches are not complicated at all. Going to any given major war (at least around here), you'll see plenty of neat breech designs that aren't on the boards. Skitzo has an inline clip that is just the barrel. I've experimented with those as well. I couldn't stand the occasional shotgun fires it does, but his works well most of the time. Titankid (not sure if Skitzo made it though) has (what looks like, at least) a petg on petg breech on the big blast he was using at Gankfest 3. In fact, the one I liked most was by Ice. A locking, telescoping brass, slide breech that worked off of a thumb nub. The whole thing was contained within one piece of pvc, so there was only one slot to cut, and he kept the barrel from coming out by rings of brass on the inside.
None of these have been on the Haven, yet they're there. The creators obviously feel that it wouldn't be worth it to make a whole thread about it. That's how I feel. Anyway, like others have mentioned and shown, the sliding brass breech is nothing new, and definitely not something needing a new name.

[TantumBull]

The creators obviously feel that it wouldn't be worth it to make a whole thread about it. That's how I feel. Anyway, like others have mentioned and shown, the sliding brass breech is nothing new, and definitely not something needing a new name.

I definitely disagree about the making a thread thing. If there's something you've created that can benefit others than why the hell should you not share it with others? Have you looked at the mod directory lately? There about 15 billion NF write-ups, that are all really similar. But people continue to post them because of new innovations they have found or easier ways of achieving the same thing. In my eyes, that's one of the purposes of the mods and homemades section: so people can make augmentations and innovations to people's stuff, in other words building on others' work. That was the point of this thread. Angel wanted me to prove I had a simpler breech system that achieved the same thing. If something isn't posted because its deemed "not complex enough" then this process won't function right. Some of the best things on this site are also the simplest and most practical. Next time I'll be sure my breech has pop-up rocket launchers and a laser targeting system before I use of NH's bandwith with my thread. Point taken about the name thing, though.

Sput: Looks sweets, man. Loving that hexagonal piece on the front.

[Split]

The main assumption of that block of text right there is that the only way to convey information is by making a thread. And that's obviously wrong. A post would have sufficed.

[slowguitarman]

I'm definitely with TB on this. What do you feel we should post? Should I not have posted my Lancer because someone else did it first? Should Angel not have posted his LS breech because it's a breech? I'd rather see more people posting things like this breech than see another couplered NF or the like. In fact, this breech and Angel's Countess inspired my current mod. It's a barrel system that uses LS mags and can be put on any gun with a 1/2" coupler. Before you post a link to your breech like that (OMG! you posted a breech!), mine has not dead space. I probably wouldn't have done this if not for TB and Angel's works to start the gears spinning in my head. Feel free to keep your work to yourself, but I, and many others, will continue to share what we have in order to benefit the whole community and hope that someone else can improve it.

EDIT in regards to Split's above post: That's the way neat stuff gets lost.

Edited by slowguitarman, 11 March 2009 - 10:08 PM.

[Homestarune]

This is a beautiful and practical design, I love it. However, your video was "no longer available" when I clicked the link to the Youtube video. I would love to see it re-uploaded.

[TantumBull]

This is a beautiful and practical design, I love it. However, your video was "no longer available" when I clicked the link to the Youtube video. I would love to see it re-uploaded.

Really? It's working for me. I also edited it into the first post.

[Split]

I'm definitely with TB on this. What do you feel we should post? Should I not have posted my Lancer because someone else did it first? Should Angel not have posted his LS breech because it's a breech? I'd rather see more people posting things like this breech than see another couplered NF or the like. In fact, this breech and Angel's Countess inspired my current mod. It's a barrel system that uses LS mags and can be put on any gun with a 1/2" coupler. Before you post a link to your breech like that (OMG! you posted a breech!), mine has not dead space. I probably wouldn't have done this if not for TB and Angel's works to start the gears spinning in my head. Feel free to keep your work to yourself, but I, and many others, will continue to share what we have in order to benefit the whole community and hope that someone else can improve it.

EDIT in regards to Split's above post: That's the way neat stuff gets lost.

Quite an odd post. You made the same assumption as TB, then realized it, and kept the post there. Anyway, the point is still less valid. It is of course up to the creator to figure if it's going to be a small post or a whole thread, but look how many kids have been flamed to hell for making a thread for their painted nitefinders or modified longshots. The line that is drawn is generally that things that are common and have been done before (brass sliding breech) or are not difficult to figure out, don't need dedicated threads. As for them getting lost, the Mods/pics thread gains about a page a week. Not that hard to scroll one page every week.
I really don't flaunt my work that much, and I'm sure you meant the line about me linking to my work as an insult, which is pretty gay, but whatever. I sometimes keep a link to my latest thread in my sig, but I'm definitely not talking about my lancer (which happens to be an improvement on someone else's!) every third post. Take offense to that if you want, but you do do it quite a bit.
As for your breech, which I can tell is just begging for a response, you don't mention making it a linked breech, or a shotgunning breech in the manner that the angel breech does. It's a trade off between features and power, but when it comes down to it, I'm going to want versatility over range. I'm not a standoff person. I believe I stated that in the goals of the writeup.

Edited by Splitlip, 12 March 2009 - 07:30 PM.

[TantumBull]

The reason I posted this was because Angel in a sense challenged me to post the breech I had described. NOT KNOWING that this was a common breech type I posted this thread. No one had posted a breech like mine that utilized the same type of locking mech. Maybe I should have just necroed OATN's breech and posted it there. I hope you realize that if everyone was as strict as you are about posting threads, improvements on mods and such would be signifigantly slower. I'm sorry, but most people don't have time to browse every single fucking thread, especially if they realize that its an old one. Also, I kind of wanted feedback, which your suggested mods and PJ's thread would not give me. Last time someone gave me feedback in that thread they got banned. Going by your logic, you shouldn't have posted the angel breeched pistol splat because it utilizes a common and simple (earlier you said all breeches are simple) breech. I think you should have because it was cool how you put a breech designed for a LS on a PS, but going by what you've been saying, it should've been posted in the mods and PJ's thread.

Edited by TantumBull, 12 March 2009 - 09:01 PM.

[Split]

Cry me a river and learn how to read. I'm not telling you to put it in the paintjobs thread, nor that this shouldn't have had a thread, nor that you should know everything ever on the boards. "As strict as I am about making threads." What a joke. You can't tell the difference from what I'm actually saying and what you're disagreeing with.

What I did say is that the breech is nothing new, and doesn't need a name. Which you quoted.

Try to work on word choice as well. Just because something isn't complicated, doesn't mean it's simple. The fact that you can't read my text and see my point means that you can't use my point to extend to other things, especially as a counterexample.

If Angel "challenged you" in his thread, couldn't you have posted it in that thread, and still gotten feedback? Just because I mention one other possible solution to getting your work online (putting it in the Mods thread), doesn't mean that it's the only one. Now, by me saying this doesn't mean that I'm telling you that you should have done that, just that you didn't think it through or know everything. Which is fine; no one can expect you to know everything. Just stop saying that I am.

[TantumBull]

The creators obviously feel that it wouldn't be worth it to make a whole thread about it.

That is very much implying that this thread is worthless, because it is like other breeches you have seen before that aren't posted on the haven. What the fuck do you mean by "I'm not telling you this shouldn't be a thread"?

Also, bringing in someone's ability to comprehend the english language is a fucking cheap blow. We were having a debate with points to back up our arguments. Throwing something like that out won't make your point any more valid. And yes "not complicated at all" generally will be interpreted as simple, whether that's what you intended or not. Learn the fucking definitions of words. Straight from dictionary.com under the definition of simple:

5. not complicated

As I already said, I probably could have posted it another thread, you're right with that. I decided not to. Something you aren't taking into account is "thread jacking." I was using the mods and PJ thread as an example because you suggested it, AND because its one of the only threads I know of that wouldn't be considered hijacking if I posted something like this.

Edited by TantumBull, 12 March 2009 - 10:11 PM.

[Split]

The creators obviously feel that it wouldn't be worth it to make a whole thread about it.

That is very much implying that this thread is worthless, because it is like other breeches you have seen before that aren't posted on the haven. What the fuck do you mean by "I'm not telling you this shouldn't be a thread"?

I don't know where you're getting that implication from, but if you actually read the text, it's just saying that to them it wasn't worth it to make an entire thread. And the rationale varies, and doesn't relate to what I've seen, because I am not the one who is saying it is worthless. Has nothing to do with me telling you this is worthless, which leads into my next point:

Also, bringing in someone's ability to comprehend the english language is a fucking cheap blow. We were having a debate with points to back up our arguments. Throwing something like that out won't make your point any more valid.

Yet the same deal goes here. I'm not talking about the english language, just that you're accuractely reading what I'm saying. Just like you didn't at the first section of this post. Go to bed, wake up in the morning, read it all again, and maybe you'll see that I wasn't insulting you, just letting you know it had been done before, and adding to the conversation with other breeches I've seen. You really looked into it too much and blew it way out of proportion.


Not that it matters, but:

And yes "not complicated at all" generally will be interpreted as simple, whether that's what you intended or not. Learn the fucking definitions of words. Straight from dictionary.com under the definition of simple:

5. not complicated

Why do you think there are separate definitions? Oh, it's because they're for use in different situations. kthxbai.

Edited by Splitlip, 12 March 2009 - 11:20 PM.

[sputnik]

Jesus Christ.

Why is everyone getting so "political" about NERFing?



TantumBull- great job.


This is great material for noobs who actually search.

Splitlip-Fucking A dude, calm down. No need to diddle him.
We all know your internet dick is huge and suckable.
Congrats.


It'll be ok.



Feel free to flame me if you so wish.
Whatever.
Shut the Fuck up and Nerf.


EDIT: Thanks for that enlightening PM Splitlip.

Edited by sputnik, 13 March 2009 - 12:52 AM.

[Draconis]

Splitlip-Fucking A dude, calm down. No need to diddle him.
We all know your internet dick is huge and suckable.
Congrats.


It'll be ok.



Feel free to flame me if you so wish.
Whatever.
Shut the Fuck up and Nerf.

Flame, you? Hell, no, I'm sigging that!

On Topic: I don't get what the hubbub is about. TB, this is a great breech design. I like it, though I'm not a fan of the price I pay for brass. So I've found similar alternatives.

Splitlip, who really cares if he made his own thread? I mean sure, we could have a breech only mega-thread, which would be fine. But if you are worried about something silly like bandwidth, then maybe we need to stop arguing for two extra pages in a thread about a breech. Let's just stop now, okay? If you don't have anything helpful or constructive to say about the topic, then just don't say anything.

[nerkum]

Thanks for posting this TB. It gave me a bit more understanding of different breech methods.

I personally do not mind new threds on ideas, even simple ones such as a slide breech. Overall it is the several small improvements you do to a gun that will give you your best performance.

[TantumBull]

Split, all I'm saying that everyone else in this thread interpreted your first post as a suggestion that this shouldn't have been made into a thread. You further back that up by suggesting for me to post it in a different one. Whether or not that is what you meant, that was the implication. I'm sorry for accusing you of something you didn't mean. I got animated because of your words, not your thoughts. And I know that you said that, to them, it wasn't worth a thread. But look at this:

None of these have been on the Haven, yet they're there. The creators obviously feel that it wouldn't be worth it to make a whole thread about it. That's how I feel.

I don't know where you're getting that implication from, but if you actually read the text, it's just saying that to them it wasn't worth it to make an entire thread. And the rationale varies, and doesn't relate to what I've seen, because I am not the one who is saying it is worthless.

And if YOU read the text you would also see that you wrote how you agree with them.

And I'm sorry, you're right that I blew it out of proportion. But I think you know that your first post very much conveyed that I should have not posted a whole thread about this breech. And, as I've said, on hindsight, maybe I shouldn't have. You presented some valid points in that regard. I still think it was a good idea, but whatever.

Sput, Draconis, nerkum: Thanks for the compliments.

Edited by TantumBull, 13 March 2009 - 05:17 PM.