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#1 buckbogey

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Posted 24 January 2004 - 09:39 PM

I was testing out my gun and some darts that I made. I was thinking about how the 2" darts I use don't load easy and fishtail a lot. So I came up with a dart that is 1/2" long.

It works great. It increased the top range of the gun by 12'. And it was a lot more accurate.

Heres how to make it.

Cut a piece of fbr that is 1/2 inch long. take a sharp pencil and poke a whole in either end so they meet in the middle. Dont carve out the middle, just puncture it. Take a couple of 1/4 inch long screws and wedge them in either end. Take some hot glue and put a HUGE glob on top of each screw so it seals it in. The bigger the glob the better, but make sure they won't touch the barrel.

Shove it down the barrel and fire. The firs time I shot one it exploded upon impact! I made a few more stronger ones and bam, those things HURT. I hit in the middle of a 1' target from 30' 9 out of 10 times. They eliminate fishtailing, because they are so short, and they wont go cartwheeling, because they still have some lenght to them.

They make loading quicker because it doesnt matter which way you put them in.

Tell me what you think.

If you want to totlaly get rid of the chance of cartwheeling, make them 3/4 inch long.
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#2 CustomSnake202

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Posted 24 January 2004 - 10:08 PM

First off, I wouldn't want a dart with SCREWS in it. Secondly, the huge globs of glue will hurt like a mofo. I wouldn't want to have those in a war but if you want to fool around and make things explode in your back yard, go ahead.
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#3 buckbogey

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Posted 24 January 2004 - 10:21 PM

What do you think I made them for? Mainly so nextime my friends and I have a backyard war, I can hurt.
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Posted 25 January 2004 - 04:48 AM

Sorry if this sounds rude, but I'd never play in a war if some idiot made darts like that. Why don't you just make a nailgun or an RPG? Hurts *even* more.
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Posted 25 January 2004 - 03:04 PM

FBR is only so strong and screws are made out of metal, when they hit the screws can certainly rep through the foam. Safety is important and most of us don't want to hurt anyone so not many people are going to go for this. If you and your friends like causing each other large amounts of pain and you enjoy visiting the emergency room I think that's great but not many here are going to go for it.

Have you tried making these without screws? Basically you'd be hitting someone with a glob of glue with some FBR to get it to fit the barrel. Maybe put some safer weights in there and see what happens.
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Posted 25 January 2004 - 05:18 PM

Hey, this reminds me of something. Oh yeah. Now I remember.
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#7 buckbogey

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Posted 25 January 2004 - 06:19 PM

I am stupid. They aren't quite like those, but are very close.

For anyone who reads this. Don't judge me on my join date. I just got slammed by the grinch because he wasnt smart enought to read my first post under this name. Anyway, I'll say what i have said before: I am not new to NH, or nerfing. My old account got screwed so I couldnt use it anymore. Never call me a n00b ever, I have been around for downing of NHQ, the fall of NO, and the creation of this site.

Edited by buckbogey, 25 January 2004 - 06:23 PM.

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Posted 25 January 2004 - 06:19 PM

I don't see what's so wrong here. Unless I'm missing something, all he is hitting people with is hot glue, except it's more weighted than a regular dart. What's wrong with that? Unless he's hitting people with exposed pointy screws, then there's nothing really too bad an idea about this.

Edited by Chrysophylax, 25 January 2004 - 09:11 PM.

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Posted 25 January 2004 - 06:35 PM

...Anyway, I'll say what i have said before: I am not new to NH, or nerfing. My old account got screwed so I couldnt use it anymore. Never call me a n00b ever, I have been around for downing of NHQ, the fall of NO, and the creation of this site.

Whoop-de-butt-fucking doo.

You may not be a ``n00b' to Nerf, but you're ``n00b" to this site. You're going to quickly find out that alot of people just don't give a shit about how long you've been around unless you've made some sort of contribution to the community, or helped propel it forward in one way or another - I think Cx will agree with me on that one.

NHQ goes down about every other month. NO died. Yeah...okay.

A majority of people take you for who you are in relation to your join date because they simply are too lazy to look up your profile regarding your posts and such. Alot of people don't usually read profiles. Just accept it and move on.
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Posted 25 January 2004 - 10:06 PM

For anyone who reads this. Don't judge me on my join date. I just got slammed by the grinch because he wasnt smart enought to read my first post under this name. Anyway, I'll say what i have said before: I am not new to NH, or nerfing. My old account got screwed so I couldnt use it anymore. Never call me a n00b ever, I have been around for downing of NHQ, the fall of NO, and the creation of this site.

Okay...I didn't "slam" you. I hardly even flamed you. People have gotten much worse. So...chill out.

Yeah...it's cool that you've been around for all that...and I really didn't know that you've been a member here since the creation of this site. You never really mentioned that. Might I ask what your old username was?
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Posted 25 January 2004 - 10:36 PM

crysophlanx's got a point. <(sorry if i screwed up your name). anyway he's got a point, if buck's got the hot glue over it, then it sounds like he's simply improved on the stephen dart, IS THAT SUCH A CRIME? sorry, i like caps lock. anyway, i was also thinking, there're nerfers in some wars who have their guns modified to the point of leaving welts. Now this guy has thought of a dart that if, not covered responsibly (i.e they don't cover the screw the right way, or they fire at someones eye) can seriously injure someone. But there are modifications around here that can make a gun hurt just as bad, and can also hurt just as bad if used irresponsibly. See my point here? This is a great dart idea, if it produces said results, and i don't think the guy has to get flamed for having an idea that may be potentially dangerous because there are tons of mods that are potentially dangerous. isn't that actually part of the reason why nerf pulled guns like the crossbow? anyways that's just my opinion.
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Posted 25 January 2004 - 10:36 PM

excuse me for getting back on topic...

What do you think I made them for? Mainly so nextime my friends and I have a backyard war, I can hurt.


isnt the whole point that if it first exploded on impact, after you fire these tihngs fairly often the screw is going to work its way out until it protrudes.... and just think, youll be the coolest guy around because you took out one of your friends eyes, and he'll have single sided vision for the rest of his life, sungalasses do shit all to stop a screw ended dart heading at your eyes at about 150 fps

Edited by taita_cakes, 25 January 2004 - 10:37 PM.

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Posted 25 January 2004 - 10:39 PM

excuse me for getting back on topic...

isnt the whole point that if it first exploded on impact, after you fire these tihngs fairly often the screw is going to work its way out until it protrudes.... and just think, youll be the coolest guy around because you took out one of your friends eyes, and he'll have single sided vision for the rest of his life, sungalasses do shit all to stop a screw ended dart heading at your eyes at about 150 fps

i'm not sure. If the dart's covered properly, with liberal amounts of hot glue, then it shouldn't work it's way out. especially if you don't have a hole but just poke through the fbr and fit the screw in securely. also, and this is just a thought couldn't you take the points off of the screws somehow ( just a thought).
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Posted 25 January 2004 - 10:43 PM

Ah, take the points off. You still have two skinny pieces of metal just chillin' in your globs of hot glue and fbr. And isn't there a slight chance that one of those nails could pop out and drive into your skin?
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Posted 25 January 2004 - 10:47 PM

Ah, take the points off. You still have two skinny pieces of metal just chillin' in your globs of hot glue and fbr. And isn't there a slight chance that one of those nails could pop out and drive into your skin?

good point (heh, made a pun). i'm not entirely sure, but this still seems like a good dart idea, and i'm sure that the problem can be solved, just needs some thinking over.

EDIT: wait a minute, and this is just another thought, but couldn't you coat those with hot glue before puting them in? there might be some difficulty but if you coat part of it and insert it with tweezers or something like that (or just don't coat one end of it and hold it by that end). anyways with the points taken off, the screw securely fastened by fbr, hot glue at both ends, and the metal held in by some hot glue can't the dart be considered possibly safe?

Edited by Blaster, 25 January 2004 - 10:49 PM.

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Posted 25 January 2004 - 10:49 PM

I think taita_cakes just made the best point here.

...sungalasses do shit all to stop a screw ended dart heading at your eyes at about 150 fps.


Though it's not entirely true. The sunglasses could shatter and cause even more damage to your eye.

...if you don't have a hole but just poke through the fbr and fit the screw in securely...


It's freakin foam man. You know how easily screws go through foam? Even hot glue. Black Wrath's made some prototypes with screws in them and glue on the tip. The nail went straight through,

...couldn't you take the points off of the screws somehow...


That, or just using 2-3 BB's, would probably be the best idea.

[EDIT] Just read the two posts before this, and I don't think he said they were nails. If he was using just those flat headed screws and cut the tips off, I don't think it would be too bad.

[ANOTHER EDIT] To the post below, sorry, yeah, that was what I was saying. I think you misinterpreted me, or I didn't make myself clear...I just read the two...
And yeah...

[ANOTHER GODDAMN EDIT] Afterthought, it all depends on what kind of screw it is. If it's on of those thin screws, or a nail, cutting off the end would do absolutely nothing. Depends on the thickness.

[EDIT] In an attempt to keep my posting low, I'm gonna keep editing for a while. I think you were a little too graphic with the whole nail in the eye thing there taita...
But how would a wider screw have a hollow-point effect? If I'm correct, hollow points expand on impact. A screw would just sorta hit and stay there. FMJ effect, no?

Edited by Spectre2689, 25 January 2004 - 11:06 PM.

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Posted 25 January 2004 - 10:55 PM

[EDIT] Just read the two posts before this, and I don't think he said they were nails. If he was using just those flat headed screws and cut the tips off, I don't think it would be too bad.

that's what i was reffering too. why do you think i said take the points off the screws?
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Posted 25 January 2004 - 11:03 PM

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...if you don't have a hole but just poke through the fbr and fit the screw in securely...



It's freakin foam man. You know how easily screws go through foam? Even hot glue. Black Wrath's made some prototypes with screws in them and glue on the tip. The nail went straight through,


well to be quite honest here, when bogey here said that his first one exploded, i was expecting someone else to turn him down, or for him to realise his error. Anyway, the fact that you can screw a screw into foam, sorta tells u that after 5-10 shots your going to have a protruding mofo of a projectile....

that was all basic knowledge anyway, but the important thing is that, although my logic says taking the sharp ends off the screw would lessen the effect, and maybe solering or welding bb's to the end would as well, but it would eventually break through the foam and one thing that i love is, "its better than being poked in the eye with a sharp stick", which is not entirely true, a normal screw would pierce deeper but would cause less surface damage, while i blunted screw would pierce slightly and, well hard to explain without getting to graphic, it would screw the whole entry point rite through, for those of you who either know ballistics or watch csi, it would have a similar effect to a hollow point or death talon [but not to such a scale]



anyway, ill shut up now, i think he gets the point, even CX flamed him in his original thread, but yuo know, he gets the point, and he'll probably keep a few to shoot tin cans............


edit: alright, two can play at that game, although i said i'd stop, i just have to explain myself a bit better [we all know i talk shit] ... generally i was talking about the effect on the skin the hollow point has, because a normal bullet just goes rite through, but a hollow point, well yeah, theres some younger kids hear, i mite not explain much further, lets just say its a very dangerous type of bullet.... a blunted screw will definitely break the skin at such a speed and with such a small sized head, but it will not have a clean entry, but neither will the normal screw, because it has a drill bit head on the back to, but i doubt the dart will enter that far to be rite up to the head....

Edited by taita_cakes, 25 January 2004 - 11:16 PM.

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Posted 26 January 2004 - 12:42 AM

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This is my two cents before I leave this thread. Taita_cakes has a couple of good points about the wear and tear of these darts and practical application.

It's metal in foam. A slim piece of plastic over your eye will not only do shit, it will severely fuck it up even more when the screw/nail/whatever shrapnel you stick in your dart comes barreling through your eye socket and becomes embedded in your skull.
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Posted 26 January 2004 - 04:17 PM

still, it seems like there's some potential in this idea. but the spectre's idea was probably better. If you just put in a bunch of bb's would it have the same effect?
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Posted 26 January 2004 - 04:35 PM

Darts weighted at both ends have no inherent stability. They will wobble or spin and lose range to the added air resistance. Obviously if the darts are extremely short this is less of a problem because you're tending towards a sphere.
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Posted 26 January 2004 - 05:16 PM

Darts weighted at both ends have no inherent stability. They will wobble or spin and lose range to the added air resistance.


Very true. That's the same problem that I was having with my tracer darts. I tried putting in two bb's instead of just one and it wobbled in mid air. Good thing glow in the dark paint is available, and quite cheaper than tracer bb's. ^_^
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Posted 26 January 2004 - 06:43 PM

Buckbogey, why don't you try the dart with 1 or 2 bbs in it and tell us how it turned out?
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Posted 26 January 2004 - 07:30 PM

I'd like to make two points:

1. Screws don't necessairally have to be pointy on the end. Those are called "Wood Screws". Then there's "Metal Screws" that are flat on the end. Use those; you'll be fine.

2. We've been shooting fishing weights covered in hot glue at each other for years. Nobody's complained yet.

It's amazing what absolutely retarded stuff you guys argue over, and with such passion.
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Posted 26 January 2004 - 07:38 PM

Screws don't necessairally have to be pointy on the end. Those are called "Wood Screws". Then there's "Metal Screws" that are flat on the end. Use those; you'll be fine.

Just because a screw isn't sharp, doesn't mean it won't hurt. Metal is hard. Period.
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