#1
Posted 28 September 2008 - 10:13 PM
I mean it now has a MASSIVE plunger tube, an angel breech, and a good barrel. By my calculations it should be rather incredible.
I, too "have recon," as they say. I get him in old country. Then I realize he sucks like bog. So I trade him for potato.
#2
Posted 28 September 2008 - 10:25 PM
<a href="http://nerfhaven.com...howtopic=20409" target="_blank">Make it pump-action</a>
#3
Posted 28 September 2008 - 10:27 PM
Edited by BlackFox, 28 September 2008 - 10:30 PM.
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#5
Posted 28 September 2008 - 10:29 PM
I beat my wife."
#6
Posted 28 September 2008 - 10:36 PM
And I generally don't like the spring addition in the stock. My philosophy is that the one advantage the recon has over the longshot is that it's remotely pistol size. If you add the spring in the stock, you've basically got a weak longshot.
It's only worth massive amounts of work if it's to be used as a beastly secondary. Otherwise, just get a longshot.
-George Orwell, 1984
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#7
Posted 28 September 2008 - 10:45 PM
Just so you know, twelve inches for a recon barrel is totally rediculous. Without the half pipe, my barrel is six inches and it totally sucks without modification to the propulsion (ie more powerful spring). It's still in the works, so I'm not going into detail yet.
And I generally don't like the spring addition in the stock. My philosophy is that the one advantage the recon has over the longshot is that it's remotely pistol size. If you add the spring in the stock, you've basically got a weak longshot.
It's only worth massive amounts of work if it's to be used as a beastly secondary. Otherwise, just get a longshot.
This is a very good point. I may just have to patiently await your works then good sir.
I, too "have recon," as they say. I get him in old country. Then I realize he sucks like bog. So I trade him for potato.
#8
Posted 28 September 2008 - 10:55 PM
I'm trying to get it finished, but I'm back in college and my free time has ebbed away. Those pictures represent a working first attempt. And by working first attempt, I mean I got multiple shots to fire consecutively from the clip. Of course, the Angel breech was the only modification and without more power, the shots went aproximately five feet.This is a very good point. I may just have to patiently await your works then good sir.
Thanks for your patience, I'll try to finish ASAP.
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#9
Posted 29 September 2008 - 03:56 AM
Inverted plunger system has the major drawback of limited spring choices and the end of the plunger tube is a particularly weak spot, and the situation is not helped by using stronger springs.
To avoid those issues you CAN integrate NF internals into the recon. It is very possible and is a near perfect fit. The recon luckily has little tabs that facilitate in holding the cap of the plunger tube. But these tabs could do with a bit of sheet metal glued to it as reinforcement. Here's pic of how it'll fit together.
Next step is to fabricate new perspex catch plate to accommodate the new system.
Depending which model recon you have, the one with the shorter plunger tube will allow you to mount a Ar-15 spring while retaining the pistol package.
Then there's the tricky bit of putting a catch on the plunger. I'll let the enthusiastic get creative with that. Final step is to Angel breech it.
Edited by mocky, 29 September 2008 - 04:02 AM.
#10
Posted 29 September 2008 - 08:16 AM
Thats hte problem I am running into right now with the AT2k on the inside, I only wnat 1 action (pump) rather then 2 (pump and priming mech)
I, too "have recon," as they say. I get him in old country. Then I realize he sucks like bog. So I trade him for potato.
#11
Posted 29 September 2008 - 09:26 AM
I will also say I have not fully thought of how the plunger will catch, but it not be a simple mod, most likely will require some fabrication of perspex, and a slender relatively stiff plastic (solid petg rods?)
Image says a thousands words:
Mock up catch plate.
Recon integration with NF is entirely possible, definitely not for a newbie, but for those who wondered what to do with the recon this mod might turn shit into chocolate. There is also the possibility of doing the 'clever spring addition' in the stock which would allow even more power to be had. The only real limitation of the recon is its relatively short stroke and inability to use a large plunger tube without hacking it to death. As previously mentioned, the tabs MUST be reinforced, predicted factor of safety is currently 0.74, which means imminent failure. I will mention another idea I had to reinforce those tabs later.
Edited by mocky, 29 September 2008 - 10:27 AM.
#12
Posted 29 September 2008 - 12:47 PM
EDIT: Sorry, thought you were talking about just the regular Recon internals, my bad.
Edited by Norther_of_Heaven, 29 September 2008 - 12:48 PM.
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#13
Posted 29 September 2008 - 03:09 PM
Umm... Why do the links go to the same place?
On Topic: I like the Night finder internals in the recon idea. Also I was going to replace the recon barrel, but I decided to look on here instead. I am glad I did, When mocky finishes his recon I hope to try the mod out.
TNL,
#14
Posted 29 September 2008 - 05:31 PM
Inverted plunger system has the major drawback of limited spring choices and the end of the plunger tube is a particularly weak spot, and the situation is not helped by using stronger springs.
To avoid those issues you CAN integrate NF internals into the recon. It is very possible and is a near perfect fit.
I like your thinking, but I doubt a nf integration will have a serious effect on ranges. It only gets about 70' on its own and with a four inch barrel. Add six to seven inches of breech and I doubt it would get much past 45', which isn't too bad for a secondary I suppose. But when you consider you have to make the bolt sled attach to the plunger rod, it's just too much work.
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#15
Posted 29 September 2008 - 07:39 PM
The largest pipes (if making your own plunger) that fits in the original spot is 1"CPVC or 1" Copper. My prototype unit is using CPVC, because I already have it for another project. But I also have PETG that will work too, which I plan on using with the next version.
AR-15 and the +Bow springs fit nicely inside that black end cap on the newer version of the shell.
The black end cap on the new version is not completely swappable with the early version cap. They have different cut outs.
In order to us the original trigger mech, I think we will need to us a custom catch plate, and possibly use a truncated version of the SNAP plunger. Making it as small as possible to allow as much plunger distance as possible. Hopefully allowing the ~3" that the loading mech offers.
I think the whole thing will need to operate like the Longshot plunger and priming mechanism, but smaller.
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#16
Posted 29 September 2008 - 08:36 PM
#17
Posted 29 September 2008 - 08:54 PM
Search next time. By the way, you are better off just making a bobafan spindle turret, getting a long shot or something else.
Too much damn work for not enough of a result. Really complex, little benefit and expensive.
Finally, dude, a will it be okay thread? Next time, just make it and if you encounter a major idea block or need to know measurements, then start a thread or PM SOMEONE!
AWESOME NITEFINDER
#18
Posted 30 September 2008 - 02:37 AM
This mod is to retain the recon pistol package, the ability to use clips and have better secondary weapon ranges. In no way is this meant to compete with a LS. Complex and expensive perhaps, but maybe some people want to try it for a challenge.
Edited by mocky, 30 September 2008 - 04:19 AM.
#19
Posted 30 September 2008 - 08:09 AM
#20
Posted 30 September 2008 - 09:38 AM
Been done already.
Search next time. By the way, you are better off just making a bobafan spindle turret, getting a long shot or something else.
Too much damn work for not enough of a result. Really complex, little benefit and expensive.
Finally, dude, a will it be okay thread? Next time, just make it and if you encounter a major idea block or need to know measurements, then start a thread or PM SOMEONE!
Angel breech recon does not come back from any search results. THere is not one in the directory. I asked after trying my other options.
Do not flame. I needed to know if someone else had done it, and if it was an Effeminate failure. Since it seems that it can be done without ruining the blaster, that is now my plan. I let this thread die a page ago, I am not the one keeping it alive. I got my answers and thats the end of it.
I, too "have recon," as they say. I get him in old country. Then I realize he sucks like bog. So I trade him for potato.
#21
Posted 30 September 2008 - 10:09 AM
'recon + brass' no results
'recon + breech' two results, on PVC breech, other is asking about PETG
'Angel + recon' no results
'recon + mods' 14 results, all are either AR removals or spring additions
I assume those are the typical keywords we should be putting in correct? Could some one post that link of the Angel breech on a recon please.
#22
Posted 30 September 2008 - 11:51 AM
Link to the post
#23
Posted 30 September 2008 - 11:54 AM
Lynx, Splitlip: While I have the utmost respect for your modification skills, and the work you have both done... If you don't have anything constructive to say, then don't. Don't just bag on all the young ones, or they won't stick around and try new things. They won't become good nerfers and maybe create the best new mod for that new blaster.
I'll post some pics of what I've got worked up shortly.
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[15:51] <+Lucian> boobs
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#24
Posted 30 September 2008 - 05:43 PM
#25
Posted 01 October 2008 - 12:40 AM
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