(EDIT - removed pointless beratement of a deleted post)

My current primary (for our indoor wars) is an Airtech 2000 with the AR's removed. That's it - nothing else has been done to it. We don't use stefans, and we don't heavily modifiy our guns - for safety of both person and property. This is the biggest, baddest gun in the entire arsenal - able to shoot ~40' flat with Sonic Micros. Since nothing has changed on the gun cosmetically, no pics are needed.

Yes all my friends like my sister.
Im thinking about adding brass or cpvc.

I'm surprised nobody added that hilarious quote to my signature, while playing with my butthole that yet.

I'd like a picture of that. How did you get the ARs out without cutting off the barrels (I assume you didn't replace the barrels because you said you did nothing else to it)?

It wasn't easy!!! Actually, the barrels did come off - but only briefly. It took some work to get them off (prying, scoring, etc around the joints of the barrels - took hours, my wife and I took turns while watching TV so I didn't give myself carpal-tunnel just removing the barrels ), but then it was just a matter of careful drilling/filing to get rid of the AR's and make the barrels smooth. The best part is that now the darts slide all the way down into the barrels, so only the heads are outside the barrel (longer travel time = better air usage, also, less chance to damage the darts by banging them into walls when running around).

There is no gun that I have gotten my hands on that gets this kind of range with nothing but an AR removal - not to mention the insane difference between stock (~5'-10') and sans AR (~40' as I said) ranges. There really isn't any need for a longer-ranged gun in our arsenal for indoor fighting - this thing owns the entire church building!

So wait, you like the low cap mags because you enjoy having to reload your gun more often?

To each his own I guess.

Some of us read the whole post, rather than stopping at the first bit of punctuation we find:

Yes the low cap is just for looks, and for the pure fun of being able to switch clips in and out of the gun. I have 4 low caps and 4 regular mags for my LS and I seem to like the low cap because of being able to switch the mags and the look of them in the gun is great.

He did it both for looks, and so he'd have to reload more often. Like I said, to each his own.

I am a Linguistics major in college, so I feel as though I can comment on this and maybe help clear this up for you : Language is always changing, always. This is just one of many aspects of modern English that is currently shifting. Deal with it. While there is a prescriptively "correct" form of English as written in grammar books, there is almost nobody who speaks that English in everyday usage. You yourself violated grammar rules with the sentence " 'Should of', 'would of', 'could of'." It happens. Not everybody speaks and writes the same way as you.

/tangent

There is quite a difference between a volatile language and simple spelling/grammar mistakes. When the words "cool" or "bad" came to mean "something I like or think is interesting", that is an example of language changing. When someone types "Your going to pay for that." it is simply incorrect. (It should be "You're going to pay for that." - "your" being a possessive form of "you" as in "your hat" or "your dog", while "you're" is a contraction of "you are".

So when people type "You should of seen that." when they should really type "You should have seen that." or at least "You should've seen that." it gets on my nerves and should be pointed out for education and edification - these kids might want to apply for a job some day, and if they put something like "I could of worked for NASA." in their resume, it isn't going to get them any points with the interviewer.



Back on topic - have you put any more work into the paintjob on this yet? That clean white base has me anxious to see what how nice it looks when you finish it.

I like the idea of the flip-open front, but is it purely cosmetic, or is it meant to allow you better access to the barrel or some of the other internals?

The white is nice and bright, and reminds me of an Imperial Stormtrooper. If I were you (which I'm not) I would add a few small areas of black trimwork to heighten that effect, then throw an Imperial symbol on there somewhere.

I agree with Bomberman on keeping the bipod - with that long of a gun, and with a red-dot sight, it may have actually been useful for stabilising while lining up a shot. However, I don't think you'll suffer too much from having removed it.



And finally, a bit of an OT rant:

That thing is sweet, but this probably should of gone in the modification/paintjob thread.

It isn't SHOULD OF, it is SHOULD HAVE or at worst SHOULD'VE. That is one of my biggest pet peeves!!!!!

(This isn't directed at you personally chefdave - more of a general commentary to get it off my chest. This is one area that really bothers me - people often put an "of" where "have" should go. "Should of", "would of", "could of". It isn't correct, and it makes me want to smash my head against the wall!!!!!)

My group uses primarily stock micros, with a few rockets thrown in (from pump-rocket launchers).

As soon as I get a few projects finished, we'll be adding felt-tipped nano stafans to the mix though!

It won't "break the muzzle", it is a "muzzle brake"

From www.reference.com:

Muzzle brakes and recoil compensators are devices that are fitted to the muzzle of a firearm or cannon to redirect propellant gases with the effect of countering both recoil of the gun and unwanted rising of the barrel during rapid fire. Muzzle brakes are very useful for combat and timed competition shooting, and are commonly found on rifles firing very large cartridges (often big-game rifles), as well as some artillery and tank guns. They are also commonly used on pistols for practical pistol competitions, and are usually called compensators in this context.

I voted yes on the "would you be interested' bit, but I wanted to qualify it. It would depend greatly on what kind of setup was required to launch them, how well they performed and the durability, safety and cost of each projectile. If you have to build some kind of crazy setup using expensive or hard-to-find parts (not likely, but you never know), I would have to say no. If they don't go all that far, if they fly apart after a dozen or so shots, or if they cost more than dinner for a family of four at McDonalds, I would have to say no.

Basically - a lot depends on the product and the price.

B.D. - it is the "Unity", not "Utility"

The "N-Strike Unity System" includes a Titan, a Hornet and a Scout - and they are fairly hard to come by these days in some areas. (The Titan and Hornet can each be purchased individually now, but the full set is becoming quite rare.)

Nevertheless, I have to be... conservative when pumping my air guns.

I hear that. When I play with the youth at my church, my AT2K (AR removal only) is the most powerful gun allowed currently, and I have to 2-pump it for standard use, only allowing a 3-pump for long range shots. I put a red mark on the Youth Pastor's hand at 20 feet (with a Sonic Micro), so we decided we didn't want any of the kids getting hit with that beast up close at full strength.

Does anyone seriously even play close quarters only? I'm pretty sure that we as a community nerf almost exclusively outdoors.

Yep - I've only played outside in my back yard with my young nephew, niece and cousins. My primary venue is the above mentioned church where my wife and I are sponsors for the youth group. Indoor wars are a whole different ball game.

ROF is king in indoor wars.

Ain't in the truth man, ain't it the truth! It takes a skilled player to go toe-to-toe indoors with a Vulcan/Magstrike/RF20 wielder with nothing but a NF or a Mav. Cover is the key.



My current setup is my AT2K and a Mav (both with just AR removal). This gives me a good mix of long range (the AT2K is the farthest shooting gun in our arsenal at 40' flat) and ROF.

In the past I've gone with these setups:

Longshot & Mav
NF/DS & Recon
Double Shot & Mav
Twin Mavs


I'm really wanting to track down a pair of the new Tommy 12's though - I think going John Woo with a pair of those would be completely ridiculous - mixing a good ROF with a decent ammo capacity and the ability to supress multiple targets with no cocking required. Stealth would be out the window with a pair of flywheel guns though, so it would be best for the less sneaky games like King of the Hill or VIP (Escort side anyway). It would also be a good combo for flag/base defense - basically if you know the enemy already knows where you are, or will be able to spot you easily, then this combo would probably work well.

(That's another nice thing about indoors - we have a completely different pool of weapons that are effective. The short ranged, high ROF guns like the Mav, Magstrike and RF20 reign supreme, wheras we would find a bulky, long-ranged single shot gun to be quite impractical - hence why a Crossbow wouldn't be much use.)

I don't bother with "ranger pudding", I just eat the hot cocoa straight and dry, then wash it down with some cool water and settle back with a smile on my face.

OK. Some major problems here. As an experienced camper/white water canoer, I have some major issues with this list. Hatchets are useless, are too heavy and very easy to hurt yourself with. Bring a folding saw instead.

As an "experienced camper" * myself, I take issue with your comment on the hatchet. If you know how to use a one properly, a hatchet is quite safe and effective for splitting softer wood. You don't swing the thing full-tilt and try to cut the wood in one chop - you lightly whack the top of the log to embed the blade, then you lift the whole deal and bang the bottom of the log against a rock or large log/flat stump. If you don't try to over-power it, you won't hurt yourself - and if you make sure to keep your splitting area clear of bystanders you won't hurt anyone else. If you need to split harder woods, you'll want a good ax, a wedge and a sledghammer.

A folding saw is great for cutting long logs down to size, but it would take you twelve forevers to split wood with it, and you don't want to be trying to get a fire started with whole logs - split wood burns much quicker. Save the whole logs for one you have a roaring flame and just want something to keep it going for a while.



* I started camping with my father when I was only a few years old, and I went the Eagle Scout route through the Boy Scouts - even staying active as an adult leader for a few years after "graduating" at 18. Even now, at 30, I still try to get out for a camping trip at least once a year with the family. So I've spent a lot of time in the woods. The Boy Scouts are very big on camp safety, especially with fire and wood tools, and rightly so. They teach you all the important safety procedures before you're ever allowed to touch a knife, ax or saw at a Scout outing. Keeping that training in mind, I've split many a log with a hatchet over the years, and never so much as slipped for a scare, let alone actually caused any damage to myself or others. I also taught my wife the correct way to split wood, and she's never had any problems either. It is all about using your head and not trying to look like a big, buff macho lumberjack who can split the logs in one swing.

If we're not talking about backpacking and being hardcore, then you should bring a cell phone and walkie talkie. They're useful in emergencies, and they won't ruin the experience if you keep them off.

Certainly good advice.

Also, for water, bring a water filter. They work quite well, and they work even in some pretty dirty water, as long as you boil it.

As you said - that depends on what you're doing. For car camping, just bring several large jugs of clean water with you - less hassle.

I disagree about having the hatchet most of the time, because if it's...
Car camping: Bring your own firewood. It's not good to randomly cut down trees; rangers are usually against that kind of thing.

I don't ever cut down trees with a hatchet. It's often illegal - and the wood you would get would be quite green and difficult to burn until you had a good fire going anyway. But I still like to bring one with me for splitting logs.

Backpacking: Waste of space. You don't need to relax around a fire every time you go outdoors, save that for car camping. If you're talking about winter, burning stuff will not help you. You need sleeping bags and clothes. If you're talking about cooking, white gas stoves are cheap and compact.

Can't argue with any of that!

Splitting logs does not change "fuel" into "kindling". I suppose if you could cut it down enough it would work, but you should be using branches and twigs for kindling.

Here I have to disagree with you. If you split soft wood (pine, etc) down it makes fantastic kindling, which in my opinion are much easier to get burning than twigs and branches, If you then shave some of it down into various sized splinters, you can even get your tinder from the same source. I find that it is generally easier to bring along a load of small, medium and large pine logs and split them for your fire building use than to have to forage for twigs and branches. Also, in some cases gathering such "deadfall" will be just as extremely erotic as chopping down trees - they want it left there to build up mulch for the health of the forest.

Personally, I have access to a good supply of pine wood out at my parents' place. (They've had several trees on their property that took so much storm damage that they weren't worth the cost and effort of saving.) So I just go out and grab a load whenever we decide to go camping, supplemented by some hardwood (for longer-burning fuel) purchased near the campsite we frequent.

Have you heard of bear bags? Basically you put anything that smells into a sack (i think rice bags work), then tie it into a tree. This keeps raccoons and bears out. I'm being very brief, you'll have to research it if you want to use it. However, some campsites have metal shelves you can put your stuff in.

Always good to keep in mind when you are in bear country. If you are dealing with lesser critters (i.e. racoons) then I have found that simply keeping all food in your car is the best course of action. Those little things are sneaky, and have a way of getting what they want - unless it is locked up in a steel and fiberglass frame!
(of course, this doesn't work if you are backpacking or conoeing, but it is good to know!)

I don't have the NFL Rulebook memorized, but I'm still trying to figure this one out. (Note - I had neither emotional nor financial investment in either team, so I don't care who won or lost.)

The Cardinals were called for roughing the kicker, because a guy tripped and toppled into him after the kick. The Steelers were given a first down - retaining the ball.

The Steelers were called for roughing the kicker, because a guy who apparently has a really bad attitude problem held the guy down and shoved him numerous times after the kick. The Cardinals were awarded what amounted to a 6 inch penalty putting the Steelers nearly inside the rear endzone. (Yes, this did eventually result in that crazy Safety, but...)

Why were the penalties called in that manner? To me, the Cardinals "roughing" was uninentional, and certainly not aggravated. The Steelers, on the other hand, was quite intentional, and what I would call "flagrant" (does that exist in the NFL?). Why was the Cardinals' penalty more severe than the Steelers'?

I'm considering a crude extruder.

Time to bust out the Plah-Doh toys!

One thing I have seen at most wars I attend is people who pick up darts and drop them in their hopper without looking at them. This most often results in humorous headless darts fishtailing out of their blaster, but I have seen slugs with no felt pads (i.e. washers exposed) fired in this manner.

Thus, I ask whether you guys have tested how these things feel & fare when fired with just the putty and no pad. I imagine it would be far safer than washers with no felt pad, but empirical data on the safety of such would be appreciated. (Especially seeing as you mention felt pad loss being the most common type of failure, whereas total head loss seems much more common with slugs. I imagine firing these darts feltless wouldn't be a rarity if they catch on.)

I don't have the NFL Rulebook memorized, but I'm still trying to figure this one out. (Note - I had neither emotional nor financial investment in either team, so I don't care who won or lost.)

The Cardinals were called for roughing the kicker, because a guy tripped and toppled into him after the kick. The Steelers were given a first down - retaining the ball.

The Steelers were called for roughing the kicker, because a guy who apparently has a really bad attitude problem held the guy down and shoved him numerous times after the kick. The Cardinals were awarded what amounted to a 6 inch penalty putting the Steelers nearly inside the rear endzone. (Yes, this did eventually result in that crazy Safety, but...)

Why were the penalties called in that manner? To me, the Cardinals "roughing" was uninentional, and certainly not aggravated. The Steelers, on the other hand, was quite intentional, and what I would call "flagrant" (does that exist in the NFL?). Why was the Cardinals' penalty more severe than the Steelers'?

All personal fouls are 15 yard penalties. But if the ball is within 15 yards from the goaline, it goes "half the distance to the goaline". So let's say you're at the 5, then you'd be at the 2.5 yard line.

Also, lets get this straight. James HArrison is the guy who returned the interception 100 yards and later committed a personal foul. That personal foul was only called because he punched to the guy. Everything else he did was perfectly legal. Your allowed to keep throwing a guy down while the play is going on....

I understand the "half the distance" deal, what I don't understand was why one team retained possession and was granted an automatic first down, whereas the other team simply got the yardage penalty. They were both called for "roughing the kicker", shouldn't the penalty have been the same, or am I missing something?

More power to you then sir. Your contributions to the NIC are already legendary, so anything you learn from this will no doubt be a blessing to us all. (Assuming you don't have to explain it all repeatedly to newbs over PM's!)

Modding for the sake of modding is great. Modding for the sake of a dare/challenge, even better.

I, for one, am quite anxious to see that nerf ball hit the 100' mark.

That would depend on accuracy as well. Also, it would be difficult to carry a significant number of arrows or missiles to use something like that as a primary. If it were used as a scenario element (i.e. only arrows/missiles can damage the objective/target/bunker/tank/guy with the gold shirt) then it might be worth thinking about.

I'm curious as to Captain Slug's intentions. Are you doing this just to expand your knowledge, horizons and experience, or do you see a practical use for a weapon that fires these ammo types other than what I mentioned above?

Well, hopefully you can have some fun with your company at least...


Tomorrow is the big day - I hope we get a lot of people, but if not it should still be fun!

It's all good. I'll probably be trying to schedule another one in late July or early August if possible.

Same problem bro. You can tell its bullshit if the inside of the barrel is black. If the inside is white, it's unchanged. Hmm... Wonder how they came up with that? *fake coughs* (racist)

Thanks! I wasn't sure if there would even be a way to ID these before getting them home. Now, if I decide I want some of these smaller-tanked versions, I know what to look for.

No poblem Demon Lord - I was blaming myself for you not showing up since I stupidly didn't check my PM's the night before.

RECAP TIME!!!

We had a great war, though the attendance wasn't quite as high as I was hoping for (I think the weather scared some folks away - understandable if you had a 2-4 hour drive - but it was clear and sunny all day!). We still had a decent turn-out, and it was still lots of fun!

Hilights:
- hosting my first NIC war
- meeting DarkMatter and Dragonsnipe (and his boys)
- hanging out (and acting like a kid) with my best friend and my brother-in-law
- enjoying another awesome Nerf war
- the melee-only CTF round - it was different but awesome
- finding and playing at an awesome Nerf field - this place is perfect for a war!
- DarkMatter's dad sticking around to take these awesome pics and act as our timekeeper for the war.
- DarkMatter's dad taking up a blaster and joining us for the last round (sieze the balls)!

Lowlights:
- low attendance (due, I think, to the rough weather that tore through the area the previous night)
- cutting the day short (we ended at 1:00 because everyone but my guests and I had to leave)
- some of my guests chickening out on me at the last minute...


Here are a few shots of the action (the rest can be found in my Photobucket):

Of course, you would also have to have a blaster that is firing two balls at once. (For example, bolo-balls wouldn't really work in a reactor, as it would likely turn the first shot into what would amount to a pop-gun, and the second shot would be drastically reduced in range and/or thrown of course by the now-dangling first shot.)

That said, a pair of balls with a cord between them coming out of a barrel designed specifically to hold them would be interesting. A similar concept with more barrels, each loaded with a ball and all connected, would allow for the "net gun" effect as well, assuming your blaster puts out enough air to launch all of the balls sufficiently.

Very nice. Now you just need a nice Nintendo logo to slap on the thing!

(And anyone who doesn't get this mod just isn't old enough to see how cool it is!)

Ok, for your next challenge: Integrate a SSPB into an N64 controller.

Ha ha - my strange mind has inspired a mod.

I would only mind if you did this, and then failed to show off the awesomeness that is your own personal fusion of Nintendo and Nerf.

BUMP - 5 days to the war - anyone else planning on coming? Anyone else ready to update their status from "noncommital" to "let's rock"?

Any chance you could get some exact measurements of a minimized tank (i.e. all unnecessary stuff removed)?

If these are small enough, they might be just what I need to finally realize my dream of an old double-shot with airgun tanks replacing the plunger assembly.

Alberta? Are you kidding me?

Don't get me wrong, if you are willing to make the trip, you are more than welcome to show up - but there is likely to be somewhere around 10-20 guys at this war, and that is quite a long haul, even if you live in the farthest SE corner of Alberta. I don't think any of the Minnesota guys are even making the trip...

Time for North-Eastern Indiana to represent! I can't think of a more central location for Illinois, Michigan, Ohio and Indiana Nerfers to all come together than good ol' Fort Wayne. Of course, I'm kind of biased seeing as I won't have to drive for hours to Nerf here...

So who's up for making the trip? I've got several guys lined up here - some of which have never been to a Nerf War before (fresh meat!) but are really excited about the idea.

If I seem to have forgotten anything in the rules/info, let me know. If the date doesn't work for most people, I might be persuaded to change it - though it would probably be pushed into mid-late July at that point.



When:

Saturday, June 19th, 2010
10:00 am until we are beat (probably around 5:00-6:00 pm)

Please try to arrive a bit early (~9:45) so that the first round can start promptly at 10:00 am.



Where:

Glenwood Park Elementary School

(Several backup locations are available if for some unforseen reason this one doesn't work out.)



What to bring:

- A Primary (more than one is a good idea - in case you have breakage!)

- A single-shot pistol (should shoot around 50 feet of less, and require both loading & cocking for each shot - speed loader/turrets/etc will not be allowed for pistol-only rounds)

- Darts (stock, single-bb+hot glue or slug-style or similar only - no slingshot weights)

- Eye protection - anyone under 18 MUST wear it. 18+ at your discrestion, and at your own risk.

- Lunch / Money - There are lots of fast food places within a 10 minute drive. You are of course welcome to bring a bag lunch and eat on the field during the lunch break.

- Water (I might be bringing a water cooler, but it wouldn't hurt to have your own on-hand - there probably won't be any available on-site.)

- Proper clothing - It will most likely be rather warm. Also, don't be a moron and show up in camo unless it is neon pink or something.

- Any and all missle/rocket/ball shooting weapons you might have access to. You might find they come in handy during one of the game-types...

- Melee weapons and shields will be permitted - see below...



What not to bring:

- Dangerous blasters/darts/etc - i.e. no metal spikes, wooden "gunblades", no tack-darts, etc. Blasters will be banned if they are deemed unsafe for any reason, including firing way too hard. No blanket bans will be imposed, but it is unlikely that your singled Titan will be used unless it is fairly underpowered. (No, "I will only pump it X times" will not be acceptable!)

- Blasters or other gear that could be mistaken for actualy weapons (i.e. black-painted blasters, silver "knives", etc.) should be left at home.

- Participants under 13 years old MUST be accompanied by a parent or a responsible adult (18+) who will assume full responsibility for the youngling's actions, attitude and safety.



Miscellaneous Information:

- If you act like a 3-year-old, we'll send you home like a 3-year-old.

- Please clean up after yourselves - a trash bag will be provided, and everyone is expected to participate in dart-sweeps.

- Please keep the loud outbursts and swearing to a minimum - we will most likely be playing in a schoolyard and don't need any passers-by to have reason to complain about us.

- Gametypes will be determined mainly by popular opinion - but we will likely be playing mostly objective-type games (CTF, Sieze the Balls, etc). Meatgrinder will most likely be used as the first round and the post-lunch round - it is just a great way to get warmed up!

- We will break for lunch around Noon, probably for 30-45 minutes.



Melee & Shield Rules

Melee weapons will be allowed, though they should conform to a few basic rules.

- No metal should be used in the construction of the Melee weapon.

- All striking surfaces should be covered with foam.

- Unmodified, store-bought plastic toy lightsabers will be permitted without regard to the above two rules. Lightsabers are cool. Bonus points if you use them with batteries for that lovely hum & glow.

- Anything I deem ridiculous or dangerous will not be allowed.

- Melee weapons can be used for blocking darts just like shields (see below) - but only if they are in your hand. If your Melee weapon is holstered, a hit on it counts just like a gun hit.


(thanks to Ryan McNumbers for the basis of these Shield Rules)

You'll be limited on the maximum size of your shield depending on what blaster you're wielding. This will be the standard ruling for most gametypes. Here is the breakdown. (Your most powerful blaster is what counts here.)

Melee Only = 3 sq/ft
[The largest blocking face of the Melee weapon(s) counts as part of the maximum shield area.]

One Single shot pistol, ranges < 50' - 2 sq/ft

Anything else, ranges <50' - 1 sq/ft

Blasters shooting over 50' will not be allowed to use a shield.

Shields may be used to deflect darts - hits on shields do not count as long as the shield is in your hand, strapped to a blaster that is in your hand, or strapped to your forearm. A shield strapped/slung anywhere else will not block hits - it will count the same as a gun hit.

Balls, missiles, rockets, etc. (basically any ammo larger than a Mega dart) may not be blocked by shields or Melee weapons - a hit on a shield or Melee weapon with ammo of this type will count as a normal hit.

Shields can be made from whatever, cardboard should be reinforced with duct tape. Shields that do not meet the specifications for Melee weapons may not be used as such. (i.e. Don't go whacking people with a large wooden shield!)



Attendees:
Ambience 327 + Guests (4-8?)
DarkMatter
Demon Lord

Possibilities:
Daniel Beaver
Hipponator
nerf7777
coltsboy29
nerfer323
Zorn
QUADSHOT

This thing looks to have serious potential, at least for indoor wars. If Bob's estimate of ~5 semi-auto shots @ ~30' turns out to be true, this would be a force to be reckoned with. Outdoors, those kind of ranges aren't going to be worth much, but as a secondary it would still find uses, especially in a rush or when defending an objective. Seeing as it is roughly the size of an AT2K, it would be fairly easy to pack around as well - it might even be possible to make a large-ish holster for it, considering the shape of the shell.

I can't get to the drugstore.com site right now - can anyone provide a price for this thing?

While I certainly can't say for sure - the Vulcan has a removable tripod mount (which isn't even all that useful) that has a quick-release mechanism. He probably just glued the tripod, or just the quick-release mech, to the Power Wheels jeep - allowing the Vulcan to be attached quickly. If he really went all out, he attached the quick-reliease to a swivel-mount of some kind.

I undertsand the part about "once the date is closer", but as for "once a location is set" - this is Fort Wayne, not Chicago. You can literally drive from one side of town to the other in less than 20 minutes, and all the way around the place in like an hour.

I hope you make it - your presence would surely up the fun level a bit, and keep me from being 10 years older than anyone other than my own crew that shows up.

Hush you - my kids keep me young. (And you forgot to mention "old and fat" in there somewhere!!!)

Also, I mean fun as in I enjoyed your game play whether you were on my team or my sworn enemy - because your attitude is similar to mine - win or lose we're still having more fun than anyone else in the park who isn't Nerfing!

Oh, and Josh is a very solid maybe - he just has to butter up the wife enough for her to say yes. He says if you can drag Shorts down for the war, you guys can re-form the Unholy Alliance and crush all opposition.

Well, since nobody else seems to have an opinion - and I was up in the air to begin with - I am changing the dart restrictions. Hot glue domes are allowed, but single-bb weights only. No slingshot weights or anything else ridiculous.

(Obviously, Demon Lord, your converted streamlines will be just fine now.)

No - we are definitely playing outside - those semi-wooded areas behind the school are perfect for Nerf. The tree-covered areas are very similar to Lake Ellyn park.


The slug-style dart rule is fairly standard in the U3-held wars, but I might consider dropping the rule and allowing hot glue domed single-BB darts if it means a higher attendance. Personally, I'm cool with the pain level, but I thought I would get a better response from the Chicago-area folks if I added that rule. So let's hear it from you folks - sound off on whether you want non-slug darts allowed or not. (If you aren't at least considering attending, please mind your own business and don't bother chiming in on this - it only affects those who will be playing!)



Demon Lord - by "converted streamlines" you are talking about the ones with hot-glue filled heads and a bb weight inside, right? I'd say if we stick to the slug-style only, those won't be allowed, but if we change the rule over to bb+glue dome, they would be more than acceptable.

BUMP - location added

Great! That makes 10+ "maybes" - who's going to step up and be the first one to confirm their attendence?


OK - DarkMatter is the first to man up and say he'll be there. Now let's start hearing some "me too's" so that this war can be a great success!