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#349628 Covering Operating Costs: Donations, Ads, Shirts, all of the above?

Posted by Langley on 24 November 2015 - 05:20 PM

It costs about $250 a year to operate NerfHaven.  This includes hosting, recurring software licensing fees, and domain registration.  This does not include contest prizes or one-time software upgrade/install fees.  All of the above comes right out of my pocket, and some very generous contributions from our moderation team over the years. 


2015 has been a particularly tough year for me, and the bills are all coming due at once.  I would like to make NerfHaven more self-sustaining, so that when I do have money to spend on the hobby I can spend it on contest prizes, nerf war venues and equipment (like mobstacles).  To that end I'd like to talk about some options for how we can do that, because this site belongs to the community and I want to be completely transparent if I'm going to ask anyone for money. 



NerfHaven has been proudly ad-free for over a decade.  I'm hesitant to change this, and if I'm going to put ads on the site I want to make them as unobtrusive as possible.  Here are some criteria I want to meet before I put ads on the site:

  • Ads will only be displayed to guests.  If you are logged in, you will not see them.
  • Ads will be static images of a reasonable size.  No animations, pop-ups, or sound. 
  • Members will be allowed to 'buy off' the ads for a period of time.  For example, if you donate the equivalent of 1 months operating costs, you can optionally  disable ads for everyone who visits NerfHaven for a month. 
  • Ads must get us at least 1/3 of the way to breaking even. There's no reason to keep them if they aren't helping. If we do better than breaking even, the extra money will go back into the community. 
  • Ad revenue will not determine how we run the site.  The community comes first, and we will not make sweeping changes purely to maximise page views.


A number of members have expressed interest in helping pay for the cost of running the site.  Here are some thoughts on how I would like to handle that. 

  • Members can donate to the operating costs of the site in increments of time (1 week, 1 month, 1 year etc).  We'll only spend the money on operating expenses and we'll guarantee the lights will stay on for that length of time. 
  • Members can optionally sign up for a monthly subscription.  This will be kind of like a DIY version of Patreon, where you commit to donating a set amount over a set period of time. 
  • Information about who donates will be kept private.  We will not nag you to donate again on the basis that you donated in the past.
  • Aside from an optional custom title and recognition on a donors page, donating will not grant any extra benefits beyond regular NerfHaven membership.  You will have the option of donating anonymously.

NerfHaven Store (t-shirts)

I would love to run NerfHaven entirely on the income from people buying swag, but it just isn't going to happen.  The margins on a t-shirt on cafepress or zazzle are just too small to sustain the site.  That having been said, I'm going to put together some designs and some amazon affiliate links and add a 'Store' tab to the site.  Anything we get from that will probably go into contest prizes and giveaways, since store credit is the easiest way to receive income from those sources. 


Let me know if you have any comments, questions or suggestions, or if you are interested in supporting NerfHaven.  If this doesn't stir up a shirtstorm, expect to see a 'Support the Site' tab pop up in the next few days. 

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#347494 Apocalypse 2015 - Recapping on page 5

Posted by Langley on 28 June 2015 - 07:34 PM

IF THIS IS YOUR FIRST NERFHAVEN EVENT - You will need a blaster that fires homemade darts, preferably a home made spring powered blaster or an approved pump/valve style blaster. The majority of the games we are playing are not designed to accommodate blasters that fire stock (store-bought) darts. I strongly recommend that you come to another NerfHaven war first before you attend your first Apoc.
DIY Darts: http://nerfhaven.com...showtopic=23034
DIY Blaster: http://nerfhaven.com...showtopic=24406
Buy Darts/Blasters: http://nerfhaven.com...showtopic=25583

I posted the head count poll. Please vote, and don't fuck around because we need this info to host the war. I'm going to suspend people if they treat the pole like a joke.
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#347108 Apocalypse 2015 - Recapping on page 5

Posted by Langley on 10 June 2015 - 12:13 PM

Would I be able to wear my steel pot helmet? It's a vietnam era steel helmet, but I use it because when a nerf dart hits it, it makes a ping sound that makes it easier for me to hear.

I also have a nerf magazine chest rig (makes it easier for me to run around with clips) will that be okay too?

Warm regards,


Dearest Phil,
As long as you aren't going full milsim that sounds fine, although we reserve the right to bust your balls about it. You might want to build yourself something that fires homemade darts, like the Mark 8, as most blasters that fire stock darts will be out-ranged. There will be some stock-darts-only rounds though.


PS - You don't have to sign your posts like a formal letter.
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#347001 Apocalypse 2015 - Recapping on page 5

Posted by Langley on 30 May 2015 - 03:32 PM

All of the changes I had planned are only designed to make it an even grander shitshow than last year.
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#346700 Quick Exhaust Valve Homemade Airgun v1.0

Posted by Langley on 12 May 2015 - 12:49 PM

Look up Southern Brisbane Nerf Group on youtube and watch some of their videos. Aussies know how nerf.

I think the point Pants is trying to make is that if Sarge wants to come in here and wave his dick around about the blaster he's had for months, he should try posting more than just a glamor shot of the blaster and a smug retort. Lets keep this thread on topic. Sarge, you're welcome as always to post your photos in the homemades picture thread, and a writeup would be appreciated.
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#346545 The Mark 8 DIY thread

Posted by Langley on 04 May 2015 - 12:59 PM

Let's build..... The Mark 8

As the winner of the N00b's First Homemade contest, Meaker VI's Mark 8 is now the official starter blaster of NerfHaven. This thread is here to make it easier for new members to ask questions about this blaster and get help building it.

The purpose of this thread is to share information. Feel free to post refinements to the Mark 8 design, personal tips for construction/materials, questions about any aspect of the blaster, pictures of your completed Mark 8, and anything else relevant. Please include photos of your work. If you are not making one right now or haven't finished one then there's no real reason for you to post in this thread.

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Meaker VI's original Mark 8 Writeup - Bookmark this, load it on a tablet or print it out, bring it with you to the hardware store.

SNAP Stuff:
The Mark 8 has a lot of features in common with the SNAP, but there are some significant differences in how the catch is laid out. If you're having trouble with the clothespin trigger, take a look at Carbon's Clothespin Trigger guide. It will look a little different from the Mark8 but the principal is the same.
You can also check out the Snapbow Mk V revised by Rork to learn more about the SNAP.
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#346479 How to deal with people

Posted by Langley on 30 April 2015 - 10:54 AM

This is a popular and well intentioned policy, but I really think it needs to be more two sided. Shooters can call false hits just as easily as shoot-ees can ignore real ones....

I've seen more than a few people just yell "HIT!!!!" every time they fire their blaster. I'm not sure they realize that they aren't actually hitting every time, as it's quite difficult to tell at 100', and the natural expectation is that if you aimed at them, the dart is going to fly straight and hit them.

As a host, I consider it my responsibility to call people out on that BS. If someone calls their hits every time, I'll ask them to stop calling hits at all. I've never had a problem with anyone habitually doing this, it's always one or two new guys that either straighten up or leave. My policy has always been that you should take any hits that are called, instead of arguing or looking for the dart or whatever, just to keep the game moving. If someone isn't taking hits, or they're calling hits before they actually hit, I deal with it after the round is over when I can verify with multiple people that it's a problem.

As far as how to deal with the situation in NYC, the important thing is to have any kind of rule, any way of handling people blowing off hits or calling bad hits. You can try suggesting this to the host, or hosting your own wars. Those are really your only options.

It's not clear from your post what you mean when you say the host wasn't calling hits. I'm assuming you mean that he wasn't taking hits. Personally I prefer that people don't constantly call their hits, and only call hits if the person obviously didn't notice the hit.

As far as the guy elbowing you for a barrel tap, did he know what a barrel tap was? If nobody mentioned the barrel tap rule, and you just ran up to him and poked him with your gun, I wouldn't be shocked that he elbowed you for what he may have seen as unwanted contact.

I don't know what the context is for how these guys got started running wars, how they know each other etc. They're not obligated to run wars the way people on NH do, or to know anything about how wars are run here. You can try suggesting that they set some rules and structure, but honestly if some kid I just met showed up and told me how to run my war, I would find that pretty fucking annoying. If other people who show up are having the same issues, you should try starting your own event and inviting them.

I do think that limited respawn gametypes exacerbate the situation, because the stakes are higher. I'm much happier to take a bogus hit if I know I'm just going to respawn in 30 seconds or so when I get back to the base, compared with sitting out and waiting for the cowards remaining players to finish.

Never miss an opportunity to push your agenda, do you?
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#346459 Apocalypse 2015 - Recapping on page 5

Posted by Langley on 28 April 2015 - 03:09 PM

Just read the rules and show up. In a couple of months I'll set up an RSVP poll, and you should RSVP then to help us get an accurate head count.
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#346285 Apocalypse 2015 - Recapping on page 5

Posted by Langley on 18 April 2015 - 10:02 PM

Working on some mockups and preliminary designs for this year's bandanna. First design is an update of the 2013 bandanna, the second is based on a design by Carbon that might look familiar.

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#346254 Apocalypse 2015 - Recapping on page 5

Posted by Langley on 17 April 2015 - 07:20 PM

Any way this could be the 8th?

It's always been on the 1st Saturday in August, and that's what I've told a few people who have already asked. I'm also going to a wedding on the 8th. Sorry, but we've stuck to the first Saturday in August for a long time now.
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#346245 Apocalypse 2015 - Recapping on page 5

Posted by Langley on 17 April 2015 - 11:25 AM

Major differences from previous years:

  • As of this year, we will be running at least one set of rounds for stock darts only. Bring your HvZ, Super Stock, SAMBO or other stock-dart firing blasters and start marking your darts.
  • As of this year, we will allow Sceptors. Make your sceptor look as little like a paintball gun as possible. Wrap the tank in fabric or stripey tape or something. If you replace the tank or pump, the OPRV must be kept at the same pressure and the tank volume may not be made any larger (stock is about 800cc). If you bring a Sceptor, bring another primary as Sceptors may only be allowed for select rounds.
  • As of 2013, the new staging area is adjacent to the old one, across the path. If you walk towards the old one, you'll see it on your right. See the map above.
  • As of 2013, there are no barrel taps at Apoc. You may shoot at point blank range, but do not touch another nerfer with your gun or barrel.
  • As of 2013, to stop a round for safety reasons, yell out the word "HOLD". If you hear someone call "HOLD", STOP PLAYING IMMEDIATELY. At any time during a round, anyone can call "Hold", which will temporarily stop that round. Players should repeat the call of Hold so that all other players hear, until the round stops completely. If a pedestrian is walking through the field, if a player is injured or if there is some other threat to personal safety, you are obligated to call hold. You can call a hold to pause the game and sort out some issue that is not a matter of personal safety, but do not abuse it.

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#346081 Supermaxx 1000 Mod

Posted by Langley on 10 April 2015 - 12:43 AM

Wow, hell of a comeback. Welcome back man. Nice work.
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#344643 Beginners' First Homade Blaster

Posted by Langley on 28 January 2015 - 03:20 PM

I recommend:
Meaker's Mark 8 http://nerfhaven.com...showtopic=24406
Naturalman's AABow http://nerfhaven.com...showtopic=25055
Aeromech's begginer's rainbow pump http://nerfhaven.com...showtopic=25208
Naturalman's Pumpsnap 3.0 http://nerfhaven.com...showtopic=24725

You should be able to knock out either of the first two as a one-day build, but they're a bit primitive. They will teach you a bit about how homemade blasters are made though. The second two should give you some ideas for a more workable primary.
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#344456 Nerf meets Meetup?

Posted by Langley on 20 January 2015 - 08:21 PM

Woah 11 single dudes or were there plus ones? I know 4-5 +1's that are pretty worthy of being standalone but just follow me. Anyway, would we be playing SAMBO or NIC style wars in Central park, because SAMBO is what most of my friends are.

What the fuck is SAMBO?
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#342861 nerf war: starkville, mississippi

Posted by Langley on 14 November 2014 - 12:40 PM

Sounds awesome. Not too many active Mississippi nerfers here unfortunately, but you might drop this guy a PM: http://nerfhaven.com/forums/index.php?showuser=2908

Feel free to post any photos or videos of your wars. Always good to hear about regular wars being hosted. If you post your next event to the nerf wars forum, we can stick it in the 2016 Nerf War Schedule and get it on the main page, so it will get seen by people who aren't necessarily active on the forums.
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