Back-loading Turret
#1
Posted 08 September 2007 - 03:24 PM
Looks like an ordinary turret huh?
Not quite.
Heres the beauty of it. You can load it form the back of each barrel, increasing long-period ROF tenfold.
Heres a picture of a dart half-way in.
And all the way in.
My next idea for it is going to be even cooler, I'll give you a hint, spring fed inline.
Eh?
-Dr. Suess
#2
Posted 08 September 2007 - 03:29 PM
You should lower the barrels to 3 inches.
4 would sound more correct but since your using a turret, I think lowering it would work better due to the air traveling to longing distances.
Does that make sense?
#3
Posted 08 September 2007 - 03:42 PM
-Nerfer34
You know what... I know it's kinda late... but Props Cole.
-Baghead
#4
Posted 08 September 2007 - 03:49 PM
As for your turret, not bad. Not the most eye-pleasing work, but plenty more effective than many other concepts.
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Founder of Nightshade Laboratories and The Nightshade Armament Corporation.
#5
Posted 08 September 2007 - 04:30 PM
#6
Posted 08 September 2007 - 05:51 PM
[The green says "Inline Clip".]
If you don't understand how that works, it's an inline clip mounted on top of the Nitefinder. After you shot and rotated the turret, the spring would push a dart into the empty barrel that just lined up with it.
Problems with this might be that if a dart was already in the barrel, it might load another dart behind it (though that's unlikely if you can find the right spring). The cool thing about this design is you can make your inline clip as big as you want and the range won't decrease.
Well, that's just what I thought of when you showed a turret then said "spring-fed inline clip".
Edit: SHA, is this what you meant when you said "spring-fed inline turret feeder"?
Edited by Retiate, 08 September 2007 - 05:53 PM.
#7
Posted 08 September 2007 - 06:18 PM
Edited by Z-man12, 08 September 2007 - 06:18 PM.
#8 Guest_yourface_*
Posted 08 September 2007 - 07:04 PM
Just make each barrel in the turret nested. Start with 19/32" brass at the back, but only a little longer than a shell. After that, put 9/16" in it, leaving a shell's length open in the 19/32". If you use shells with a 9/16" OD, it should work beautifully. The only problem is, you would need a way to eject spent shells. Once I think of one, I'll post it here.
Edited by yourface, 08 September 2007 - 07:05 PM.
#9
Posted 08 September 2007 - 07:16 PM
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#10
Posted 08 September 2007 - 07:33 PM
http://nerfhaven.com...?showtopic=9565
With the right spring, darts are not crushed--even without shells.
Edited by frost vectron, 08 September 2007 - 07:51 PM.
"I am a leaf on the wind--watch how I soar" - Hoban "Wash" Washburne, Serenity.
#11
Posted 08 September 2007 - 07:52 PM
Wrong idea, good try. It's more along the lines of what Retiate kindly illustrated in his post.Spring fed inline?
http://nerfhaven.com...?showtopic=9565
With the right spring, darts are not crushed--even without shells.
Founder of the Shadow Militia.
Founder of Nightshade Laboratories and The Nightshade Armament Corporation.
#12
Posted 08 September 2007 - 08:03 PM
I mainly posted it to show that it is possible to build a spring-fed inline without shells that does not crush darts.
The main problem is how to control how far each dart is pushed into the end of the barrel.
"I am a leaf on the wind--watch how I soar" - Hoban "Wash" Washburne, Serenity.
#13
Posted 08 September 2007 - 08:16 PM
-Nerfer34
You know what... I know it's kinda late... but Props Cole.
-Baghead
#14
Posted 08 September 2007 - 10:14 PM
That's what I did in my turret. Although, I think it would probably work better without the spring. Tip it forward, and allow the dart to fall into the expanded rear area. A spring would press more or less depending on compression, so the amount of insertion would vary.Just make the back end of the turret more loose than the next section. Then you have an easy section to load darts, but it wont keep adding darts.
#15
Posted 09 September 2007 - 01:52 PM
-Dr. Suess
#16
Posted 09 September 2007 - 02:44 PM
#17
Posted 10 September 2007 - 02:53 AM
As a bit of a side observation, though...
Don't anyone take this as an insult, because it's not intended to be, nor is it targeting any one person in any way. No one was bashing him for it, but I noticed something while reading this...
A few people (including the turret's maker himself) commented that it wasn't the most pleasing thing to look at. I agree; it's not incredibly clean. It doesn't look like it was manufactured or anything. It looks like it was made in his garage. Probably was.
But now I have a question:
Five years ago, would anyone have commented that it didn't look all that clean?
Frankly, I think five years ago, the entire community would be gawking at it in hysterics. For that time period of our hobby, this would have been cutting-edge workmanship and incredibly clean.
Why have times changed so much? SO many incredibly effective guns were held together by nothing more than Hot Glue and duct tape back in the day, it amazes me. I haven't seen a gun held together by duct tape in a few years now.
Make no mistake; cleanly modified guns are a GREAT thing. We all love them. We love how uncannily realistic we can make guns look; as though we bought them in the store that way. But is that really a means for judging a gun?
I think the community has been spoiled by incredibly clean modifications. A lot of incoming Nerfers have incredibly high standards to follow, because no one uses duct tape and hot glue anymore. If it's not at least epoxied or gooped, it seems to fall under "average" and not given much notice (other than to be said that it doesn't look clean.) Modifications by Forsaken Angel, Captain Slug, KBarker, and others, which are incredibly clean and just reek of perfection are actually starting to bug me. Not because of jealousy; they do great work, and I encourage them and others to keep at it. But do we REALLY have to make such things our standard?
Go take a jaunt through the modifications/paintjobs thread. Read some of the comments. SO much attention is paid to cleanliness and it's so thoroughly and closely critiqued that I'm led to wonder if some mods done by some newer members might be kept from our sight because they're afraid that it's not clean enough and will be criticized for it. Some incredibly awesome concepts that we may never see because they're held together with duct tape.
Am I making sense?
It's just something I've noticed over the past while, and I felt like commenting on it. Don't mean to hijack the thread here; we've got a great discussion going in here, so if you are going to comment on what I've said, don't forget to say SOMETHING either pertaining to the mod itself or the concepts being discussed. But while you're doing so, try to remember where we started from; that turret kicks ass and is just as clean as the next guy's work in my eyes.
#18
Posted 10 September 2007 - 06:09 AM
And BBB!
#19
Posted 10 September 2007 - 01:25 PM
When I first started looking into nerf-mods. The only reason I stuck around was because there were people who didn't just use ductape, e-tape, and hotgule.
I think all mods have their merrits. I like mine clean, that dosn't mean I will say something about one being ugly. I take what I like from it and keep the rest to my self.
Just my two cents.
This is a great idea for a mod, be it cleanly done or not. It is well excuted.
#20
Posted 12 September 2007 - 07:34 PM
I guess I'll just throw in my two cents here. Yes, you are making sense. But I blame the people who harshly criticize those who's mods turn out looking less than stellar. When I first started modding nerf guns, it was duct tape and hot glue, just like anyone else. Just like in any other industry, the standards must rise, otherwise, there is no progress. When automobile manufacturers first started putting air conditioning in vehicles, it didn't affect the handling of the cars, it just made them a little more comfortable. Forsaken Angel and CS are simply the cutting edge of Nerf modification. We shouldn't expect everyone's mod to look and perform as well as theirs.
So yes, I'm agreeing with you, with my own little twist. So to all who would criticize someone's work, keep in mind that just cause you could make it look better, didnt mean they could. Someone put their best efforts into it and they'll learn to make it look better through trial and error.
Edited by Steveep, 12 September 2007 - 07:36 PM.
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#21
Posted 12 September 2007 - 08:12 PM
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