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[SHADOW HUNTER ALPHA]

SHA, I'm not saying that I disrespect their work, I just don't think it's Nerf.

Neither am I. It's just that you don't post things like this in homemade threads, since the point of building a homemade gun is to ba able to use it to a potential that most stock guns could never achieve, and then feeling the rush that comes with that.

On topic: I have never found a Maverick, or any Nerf gun except an AT4k, at a Goodwill or similar store. However, if you can build a system like that of the Double Shot's, which will automatically eject the turrets after they have been spent, then you will be able to get a fairly large amount of darts in the air in a short period of time. The lack of an all-out en-masse assault will be replaced by the ability to "walk" your shots, constantly aiming at (in the case of stationary threats) or in front of (to give the darts time to get to the spot where a moving target will be in the next moment) the target to ensure that you will always hit something. Or at least come very close to it. The only thing I don't really like about it is that there are only six shots per turret, while a homemade version out of PVC could have multiple CPVC or PETG barrels within to give a greater projectile to shot ratio.

[Lynx]

The possibility of getting more than 3 barrels and enough clips for a mortar fire is so loony I think that you should just use mavericks with the clip locked in a pvc barrel and have an air tank to fire the DARTS from the mav resulting in a stephan shotgun that can be breech loaded thanks to a door at the clip.

This is all possible and easy to do at your local home depot. WHat you end up with is a pvc barreled shotgun that shoots 6 darts from mav clips and is breech loading.

I suggest that you have a belt system to hold on to the maverick clips and have a titan air pump set up so you can do it with one person. Another air set up is a large home-made pump or a couple 60 oz. co2 tanks all in a back pack.

Also, if you have longshot bi pods you can epoxy those on (one or stacking for better mounting on the ground) to have a fore grip/mount for ledges, buildings and ground so you have a PORTABLE heavy weapon that is hard to contend with.

I think I can pull off that assembly in a week. This can't cost you THAT MUCH even if you have a very long barrel.

There is a concept that can be used as a sabot and pile darts on(crazy)/clip maverick shotgun(possible and somewhat practical)

The sabot shirt/football idea is great if you are doing a civil war thing. But if you are doing anything else with it, please use my maverick idea.

If you buy new mavericks think of singling them or even integrating them together or something.

Edited by Lynx, 23 August 2007 - 09:56 PM.

[SHADOW HUNTER ALPHA]

The sabot shirt/football idea is great if you are doing a civil war thing. But if you are doing anything else with it, please use my maverick idea.

Lynx, it's his gun. He decides how it will be built. If he uses your idea, fine. If he doesn't, you can't force him to. The availability of cheap Maverick turrets may be different for him, but it you're so obsessive over it, then build your own and show us.

Back on topic: Do not mix CO2 with Nerf guns, or even gun parts. The low temperatures and high pressure will cause very bad things to happen. A version of CS's backpack air tank, or his HPA (high pressure air) regulated tank would be more appropriate.

[Lynx]

Compressed air would work then right?? Because I might do this next summer then.

[SHADOW HUNTER ALPHA]

Compressed air would work then right??

Unless you want to make an extended version of an EaB plunger. I would try a large air tank in a backpack, like Slug's, if you are working on a portable cannon. The HPA version gets expensive, so it may not be worth the investment. Since the weight will be on your back, the load on your arms will be more bearable. Just make sure that you don't go insane with heavy tubing, because if it turns out to be a 15-pound shotgun with only six darts per shot, it won't be worth it.

In the way of valves, I would go with a ball valve to let air from the main tank into a secondary chamber directly behind the barrels, and then a solenoid one hooked up as the final valve. If you can afford it, go with two solenoids. They can be picked up at Lowe's for about $15, and will be near the PVC fittings.

[Lynx]

Okay thank you for the suggestion. I think it will be mounted on things as a base defender. I might just sell it without a tank once I make it because I will never have the chance to use it because all Nerf wars are out of Ohio...

I have a air compressor at a neighbor's house because we paintball with air not co2. It becomes a LOT cheaper.

Edited by Lynx, 24 August 2007 - 11:27 AM.

[Pineapple]

This thread makes my day.


It doesn't sound like any of you have ever ventured to make a homemade, along the lines of a spud gun.


You should check out the gallery at SpudFiles.com for some ideas. Hey, maybe you could even hang there for awhile!

Now if you're willing to pony up about 40 bucks for parts, PVC, and glue, you can have a pretty sweet-shooting cannon. Add a couple more dollars and you can have a really good one with a pressure gauge and everything. For what it sounds like, most of you don't have enough knowledge or money to try CaptainSlug's backpack, so you'll end up with a bike pump as your air source. THEN you can adapt the existing designs to utilize glued together PVC barrels, Maverick turrets, footballs, t-shirts, whatever.

Now....is it gonna be worth your time? If it thrills you, yes. Will it get raves from NerfHaven members? Probably only from the newer ones. Will it be allowed at "real" Nerf wars? That's a good one.


If you have the resources and time, I'd say go for it. I made a sprinkler-valve operated "cannon", but I had to increase the air tank size several times, and by the time it was getting dialed-in, I started on my other projects. I still have my valve, it's just a matter of buying more PVC pipes to make something new from it (once it's glued up, you have to cut it apart to make something else.).



-Piney-


EDIT: So Lynx, you talk about a project that you won't start on until next summer? You confuse me. I'll bet you forget about this by next summer. Kind of like some shotgun that's still being thought out.....

[Thom]

Someone said that Nerf footballs wouldn't get very far. I beg to differ; their greater mass is an asset. You could probably get double Titan ranges with no trouble. For better accuracy, I'd use a Vortex – preferably the screaming one for sheer awesome. You can accurately toss that most of the length of a football field manually; compressed air would make it beastly. Of course, if you actually hit anyone with the thing, they would kill you (if you hadn't already killed them)…

[Prometheus]

Someone said that Nerf footballs wouldn't get very far. I beg to differ; their greater mass is an asset. You could probably get double Titan ranges with no trouble. For better accuracy, I'd use a Vortex – preferably the screaming one for sheer awesome. You can accurately toss that most of the length of a football field manually; compressed air would make it beastly. Of course, if you actually hit anyone with the thing, they would kill you (if you hadn't already killed them)…

An effective Launch system is the problem. Blasting that ball would require a super large volume of air - and how do you come up with that in the middle of a nerf war?

[lionhead333]

Someone said that Nerf footballs wouldn't get very far. I beg to differ; their greater mass is an asset. You could probably get double Titan ranges with no trouble. For better accuracy, I'd use a Vortex – preferably the screaming one for sheer awesome. You can accurately toss that most of the length of a football field manually; compressed air would make it beastly. Of course, if you actually hit anyone with the thing, they would kill you (if you hadn't already killed them)…

An effective Launch system is the problem. Blasting that ball would require a super large volume of air - and how do you come up with that in the middle of a nerf war?

If you mean the large air volume, then you must remember this would be at a fixed post. Fill a compressor(sp) before the war. I have a 2x2 foot 80 PSI compressor, and I'd bet that it would give at least 15 shots. If you plan to launch footballs, or a cloud of darts, a 3x2 tank at around 100 PSI would probably work wonders.

[zaphodB]

Why was there so much time devoted to the maverick magazine idea? That is quite possibly the most expensive and elaborate way to do what you're trying to do.

As far as the air consumption goes, who cares how much it is. This is entirely a concept thread. In my mounted cloud of death launching mortar, a magical hippo will use it's lungs of glory to fire 500 darts into the sub-atmosphere. If somebody's actually considering making an effective "carpet bomber" (because, lets be real, that's what you're trying to accomplish), the air that it uses is going to be the least of their concerns. The major one would be the sheer volume of darts necessary to make this remotely worthwhile. Another would be Loading time. A third would be delivery efficiency (solenoids aren't super-high-volume devices, at least not the ones that the average nerfer can afford. A final concern is the fact that this thing would be HUGE. Disregarding whatever tank you'd need, it would still be too massivle to carry or even pull in a wagon. That would mean you'd have to pick it up, put it in the bed of a truck, and put it on the ground every time you moved it. Either that or disassemble it, which leads to a whole other set of problems. Then you have to worry about safety. Anthing powerful enough to send lots of darts a long way is powerful enough to be dangerous. I just... I can't think of one way this would be romotely usefull.

If we're going to talk about an air strike, why not design a fleet of remote control planes that drop darts on enemies? That's just as likely to work as this.

[Retiate]

Why was there so much time devoted to the maverick magazine idea? That is quite possibly the most expensive and elaborate way to do what you're trying to do.

Actually, it's extremely cheap, at least for me it would be. Finding 4 or 5 Mavericks at the Goodwill would cost $4 or $5. Unless you're talking about the idea of having a whole lot of them, preloaded, and you just pop them in and out of the barrels. Then, it still wouldn't be too expensive, but it would take a really long time to find all the Mavericks at Goodwills, garage sales, etc.

Disregarding whatever tank you'd need, it would still be too massivle to carry or even pull in a wagon. That would mean you'd have to pick it up, put it in the bed of a truck, and put it on the ground every time you moved it. Either that or disassemble it, which leads to a whole other set of problems.

I haven't really been reading every single post, but what made you think this thing was going to be like 6 or 7 feet in diameter, and be that bulky and heavy to carry around? I was thinking it would be maybe 2 feet long, including the barrels.

Then you have to worry about safety. Anthing powerful enough to send lots of darts a long way is powerful enough to be dangerous. I just... I can't think of one way this would be romotely usefull.

I was thinking ranges of maybe 100' angled. That's like Nitefinder power. I think a tank 3 or 4 times the size of the Titan's tank could pull that off

If everyone was thinking differently than me, than I completely agree with you. And I already agree with you on how it would be useful. I'd think of it as more of something to do just for fun. And, once again, it'd be a lot of fun to use in "Defend the Base" style games. Maybe not very useful, but it'd add a lot of laughs.

I don't intend on making something like this, I have other ideas I'd like to try out.
If anyone thinking about making this wanted a 50 shot hand cannon that could send darts a couple hundred feet (with an angle) should reconsider that idea. I'm with Zaphod on that one.

[Lynx]

That is why I thought of a six shot easy reload cannon with a mount. Yeah it would be heavy, but I could carry it so it wouldn't be THAT bad.

With a mount it would take one person to use maybe two if you are pumping air but I could actually make this so I think I might do it. Worse comes to worse I could RELOAD the mavericks and have 4-5 of them ready.

I think this is WAY more possible than anything else already spoken for. And as someone already said in defend your base games it would not be" teh uber pwnmasta" but it would be fun as heck.

[Retiate]

That is why I thought of a six shot easy reload cannon with a mount. Yeah it would be heavy, but I could carry it so it wouldn't be THAT bad.

With a mount it would take one person to use maybe two if you are pumping air but I could actually make this so I think I might do it. Worse comes to worse I could RELOAD the mavericks and have 4-5 of them ready.

I would scrap the Maverick turret swapping idea and just have 1 set of turrets placed in the barrels, then make speed loaders, or just manually ram rod them all to reload them. Sure, it'll take a lot longer than swapping them out, but it'll be much easier to do, and you can save money. I don't think high RoF will help much anyway, it seems like it'll be something you fire off once, then just forget about it. Maybe reload it if you have a lot of spare time.

[Lynx]

Can't you just make your own barrels like a speed loader with a second side and epoxy it and hot glue it?

Essentially all I have to do just make them.

Air tank made from pvc with compressed air to shoot. Have 2-4 of them so I can have it going for a bit.

If i were to pump it, I would be sore as heck after what, 2-3 rounds.

Making pvc tanks makes more sense. I'd use gorilla glue/dap/epoxy/hot glue and have a shut on/off valve on it.

Idea:

tank-on/off-tube-gun-solenoid-barrel???

[Retiate]

Is making removeable air tanks possible? You could have air tanks with ball valves on the end so they can hold pressure, then open the ball valve to empty the tank and either store it into another tank or fire the gun. But then how do you attach it to the rest of the gun? The attachment would have to be completely air tight and be able to withstand a lot of pressure.

And, for glueing PVC parts together, use PVC primer and PVC cement.

[SHADOW HUNTER ALPHA]

Is making removeable air tanks possible? You could have air tanks with ball valves on the end so they can hold pressure, then open the ball valve to empty the tank and either store it into another tank or fire the gun. But then how do you attach it to the rest of the gun? The attachment would have to be completely air tight and be able to withstand a lot of pressure.

And, for glueing PVC parts together, use PVC primer and PVC cement.

You'll want to get the "Heavy-Duty" (green bands on can if you're using Oatley brand) for this. Just to be safe.

As for the removeable tanks, it may be possible if you make a tank out of one piece of pressure-rated PVC, put an endcap on one end, and then use some reducers on the other side. After you cement to reducers on, thread a ball valve onto the end, and follow that with a threaded male adapter/reducer, and have a female adapter/reducer as the port on the gun. Of course, this is only if you will be using the gun so many times per round that you will empty an entire tank. Basically, you want this to look like a PVC version of a paintball HPA tank when you're done.

Edited by SHADOW HUNTER ALPHA, 25 August 2007 - 02:48 PM.

[Grenada]

Everyone here is talking about multiple projectiles being fired. I had the idea of having a single projectile. It would be a piece of foam insulation, with stomp-rocket-ish thingy on the front. load some darts in the back, and you have a point detination shell. And if you think it would hurt, it might. But to be that close would have a good chance of darts be shot back at whoevers firing the gun. Also, The rubber would compress when hiting anything. (Including people)

[SHADOW HUNTER ALPHA]

No, it would shoot the darts out of the insulation (if the insulation is too tight or the darts are too loose), or it would cause the whole assembly to fall out of the barrel and achieve pitiful distance. There is no way to make an impact-detonation shell, and I know because I've tried designing a grenade launcher. The shell would have to have some parts, if not all made out of metal or plastic, and to get distances where it would be effective, you would have to encase it in foam to the point where it wouldn't hurt, but would be rendered completely useless.

Also, if you are trying to hit someone, it means you would have to aim at a point behind them on the line that connects your and your opponent's positions, so the darts would spray back at the target, but the entire round is almost guaranteed to not work as you intend it to.

Edited by SHADOW HUNTER ALPHA, 25 August 2007 - 06:06 PM.