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[LDM]

Just a random thought, and I've been wondering what you guys think about it.

I, personally, don't like it at all. Rap, hip hop, R&B, and just the pop genre all kill me. And yes, pop includes Good Charlotte, Simple Plan, All-American Rejects, Mest, Green Day, Newfound Glory, Sum 41, Blink*182, etc.

[jimsbrother]

I have to agree with you on the most part, but I on't entirely. The All-American Rejects I wouldn't consider pop. They bring a lot to Emo and I happen to be a fan. Green Day and Blink 182 were good. Now they suck are as pop as ever, but you just can't leave out that at one time they were origional and good.

-Kid Dart

[Puddle of Foam]

I hate all of it, myself.

[Sandman]

The All-American Rejects I wouldn't consider pop. They bring a lot to Emo and I happen to be a fan.

I like the 'Rejects, and have since before their album hit mainstream, but there are two points I need to bring up:

1) They're pop
2) They're not emo

Now that we have that established, I've got to agree with the whole "down with pop culture" idea. I've ranted about it before (as faithful F-125ers recall), and it's a frustrating idea, but you really can't do anything about it.

[merlinski]

Now that we have that established, I've got to agree with the whole "down with pop culture" idea. I've ranted about it before (as faithful F-125ers recall), and it's a frustrating idea, but you really can't do anything about it.

I agree with you there, it's just something that we can't avoid. It's the product of the status quo, which has been an american tradition since the 1950's and suburbia.

[Grinch]

I would consider pop bands/singers as people that have very good looks, and usually don't play an instrument. I would consider Britney Spears, Christina Aguilerea, Backstreet Boys, n*sync, etc., as pop.

I don't feel like they have much talent. They have auditions that they judge almost 90% on looks, and then they make the singing part using studio magic.

I think bands like Blink 182 and Sum 41 shouldn't be considered "pop". Blink started as a garage band in San Diego, and the same goes for Sum 41, 'cept in Canada. Same with Green Day. You can't fake knowing how to play a guitar, man. That does take practice and skills. These guys worked their way to the top, unlike these new boy-bands that have an instant hit.

[merlinski]

I think bands like Blink 182 and Sum 41 shouldn't be considered "pop". Blink started as a garage band in San Diego, and the same goes for Sum 41, 'cept in Canada. Same with Green Day. You can't fake knowing how to play a guitar, man. That does take practice and skills. These guys worked their way to the top, unlike these new boy-bands that have an instant hit.

I agree with you, and I like punk music. I think that there is a pop-punk genre, however. I'd define something as pop if it is respected and admired because it has become popular. This does not automatically replace all other reasons to like the band, it just accounts for a portion of their popularity. Some bands (Britney Spears, N'Sync, etc.) are more pop than anything else.

I think the reason the pop-punk distinction has emerged is that the punk movement, which has always made fun of pop culture, has attracted its own brand of followers who want, more than anything else, the distinction that comes with ridiculing a popular trend. Some people find it cool to point and laugh at the status quo, and will jump on the bandwagon of any movement that allows them to proclaim their seperation from everyone else, even if the new movement is also partially defined by attraction through popularity.

Me? I like the music.

[Alexthebeast]

Me?  I like the music.

And that's all that matters. If you like it, listen to no matter what people say. For example theres this big emo hate thing going on, and I like Dashboard. Do I care if i am made fun of Because someone elses opinion in music is differnt than mine? No.

And me liking Dashboard don't make me puss, I have a death punk band.

[LDM]

1) They're pop

Yes they are. Listen to "Swing, Swing." It's pop. If it's not pop, then a lot of other pop bands wouldn't be pop either. But...

::falls in disgrace::

"I give up! The Sandman wins again!"

And I believe the "pop-punk" thing is called "pop rock?"

[Sandman]

Me? I like the music.

And that's all that matters. If you like it, listen to no matter what people say. For example theres this big emo hate thing going on, and I like Dashboard. Do I care if i am made fun of Because someone elses opinion in music is differnt than mine? No.

And me liking Dashboard don't make me puss, I have a death punk band.

Dashboard? Emo?

*sigh*

You kids need to straighten out your music genres.

[Alexthebeast]

Then What is Dash? Everyone I know says it's emo.

[Sandman]

Then What is Dash? Everyone I know says it's emo.

Please, make a generalization about who you're referring to when you say "Everyone I know."

[Alexthebeast]

People in my classes, people I play with regularlary on CS, friends, not FH...

[neonerfer]

I dissagree with what alot of you are saying. Offspring and Green Day basically started the "pop-punk" genre, but the fact of the matter is that they started as a punk rock band. I define punk rock as any form of rebellion through their music. In my eyes, if a band started as a punk band then no matter what style of music they play, they will always be punk. For many of these "pop-punk" bands, if they started as punk than the best word to describe them as now is punk. There are also bands that I have always though of to be just pop, such as New Found Glory. To the best of my knowledge, they don't even write their own songs. They are most popular with teenage girls, especially in the 12-15 range. Their songs are not based on rebellion(if they even wrote them) but they are about girl friends and heart ache and crap. I'm afraid that I have to say the same for The All American rejects. They're a good band, don't get me wrong, I enjoy their music. The thing is that the inspiration behind their lyrics and music isn't rebellion so I wouldn't classify them as punk. The main problem is that people nowadays classify punk as the sound of it(which is for the most part distinct) but the only accurate judgement of punk is the rebel test. I am a rebel, just look at these torn up jeans....

[Sandman]

People in my classes, people I play with regularlary on CS, friends, not FH...

I figured as much. While Dashboard can be considered "emo" in some respects, doing so is comparable to calling Good Charlotte "punk" (and thanks to Steve for the punk description). Here's a link to what you're probably used to hearing.

[Grinch]

Any band that started as a garage band is not pop, by all means. I would bet that none of the Backstreet Boys knew eachother 'till the studios hired them. Avril Lavigne is most definitely pop. Sure, there are some catchy songs, but one week, you've never heard of 'em, and the next, they're the most popular thing in the world.

Oh, and, any music video that is shown on Nickelodeon or Disney Channel (Avril, New Found Glory, etc.) is pop. The Baha Men are pop. All these new bands with their million dollar studios really piss me off. Anybody here like the Beatles? I love 'em. They are by far the best harmonists in Rock 'n' Roll history. They wrote their own songs, practiced on their own time, and, as a beginning band in Liverpool, had to practice hundreds of times, 'cause they had a limited amount of studio recording time. It took them 31 tries to get "Love Me Do" right, and it's a shame that this new artists suck the first time but have it made thanks to our friend, studio magic...nowadays these bands get everything done for them, with the exception of singing the song.

[Alexthebeast]

...huh?

[Ash]

Uh, the Beatles were pop in their time.

Just because something is pop doesn't mean it can't be something else at the same time. Pop simply means it is popular. This is not something a band consciously decides. I'd say Metallica is pop-metal in terms that it is very popular. However, this does not mean that Metallica is not heavy metal just because they are pop. Pop really is not a genre so much as a demographic listener classification.

Thank you.

Yes, I like dissapearing for months and coming back on some odd post such as this.

[merlinski]

I dissagree with what alot of you are saying.  Offspring and Green Day basically started the "pop-punk" genre, but the fact of the matter is that they started as a punk rock band.  I define punk rock as any form of rebellion through their music.  In my eyes, if a band started as a punk band then no matter what style of music they play, they will always be punk.  For many of these "pop-punk" bands, if they started as punk than the best word to describe them as now is punk.  There are also bands that I have always though of to be just pop, such as New Found Glory.  To the best of my knowledge, they don't even write their own songs.  They are most popular with teenage girls, especially in the 12-15 range.  Their songs are not based on rebellion(if they even wrote them) but they are about girl friends and heart ache and crap.  I'm afraid that I have to say the same for The All American rejects.  They're a good  band, don't get me wrong, I enjoy their music.  The thing is that the inspiration behind their lyrics and music isn't rebellion so I wouldn't classify them as punk.  The main problem is that people nowadays classify punk as the sound of it(which is for the most part distinct) but the only accurate judgement of punk is the rebel test.  I am a rebel, just look at these torn up jeans....

Rebelling against what? Face it, the only thing our generation has to rebel against is the Bush administration, and there's already a movement to do that (punkvoter). What most people are "rebelling against" is pop culture, which brings me back to my first point. A good number of people now think that it's cool to rebel against pop culture, and that it's cool to be non-conformist, and that they are, in fact, achieving that by being "punk". That's why I think there's a good deal of pop-punk music out there, because there are a lot of people who like punk cause they think its cool to rebel, just as some people like pop music cause they think it's cool to like Britney Spears or whatever-the-fuck-is-hot.

This isn't to say that all the people who are in to punk do it for the sake of being cool and fucking society, I just think that there are some people with that motive, and they constitute a fairly strong pop-punk movement. There are also people who genuinely like the style and music of punk. But the idea that it's cool to "fuck the establishment" or "fuck pop culture" is not the punk movement, it's pop-punk.

[Cadmond]

All in all, I find this off topic sway to be better than the original.

And now, to the ranting...

I think it all leads down the the misconception that we have to stereotype ourselves to fit into a desired "clique." It's just self limitation, and I'm tired of the kids that do it. Sure, be yourself, have confidence, ect. But, like you said merlinksi, some kids just do it to be "cool."

Now, onto the music...

I thought pop was just popular music? And by that definition, pop spans alot of styles of music. Which leads to what?

Generalizations based on random samplings of the genre.

It seems as if we think that every "pop" band, is just like the next one, and the same might go for any genre. Maybe if you hear 4 bands, don't like them, you suddenly don't like the genre they're in. Which brings up my previous point: Self limitation.

It's a short life, experience as much as you can while you still have it, even if that includes shitty music, or something that makes you *egasp!* different from everyone else.

point!

[Sandman]

I was going to respond to your post, Cadmond, but I forgot what you said by the time I noticed you had non-working tags in your signature. Haha.

So wait, have we established that Dashboard isn't really emo?

Oh, if you want to rebel against society, I have an idea for you. Be a good person and help other people.

[Grinch]

I think the difference between a band being "pop" or "popular" needs to be distinguished.

Pop:
A band or singer that was hired by a record label with the intentions in mind of making them a star.

Popular:
A band or singer that practiced as teenagers or got together as a band before they got famous, and didn't get picked up by a record label until after they've recorded their first record single.

That's the difference. Being in the "pop" genre is more like an occupation. You interview, and they call you back the next day. Being a popular band means that you've already formed as a singer or band, and the record labels accept you not for your looks, but for your music. Which brings me to my next point--the Beatles were not pop. They were popular, 'cause they started as nobodies just wanting to make music and have fun.

[Puddle of Foam]

Exactly!


Look at Blink 182. I hate them, but they had to TRY.

They made music for fun, before MTV killed them.

If popular meant not assfucked to death by the music industry...then...it wouldn't bother me.

[Daedarus]

You know who I think is underrated? AFI. If you listen to their music, you can tell how much they try. I normally hate all the "rebel" bands like NOFX and The Casualties, but I think AFI is great.

[Puddle of Foam]

A.F.I. is AWESOME.

You want to know a truly underrated band? Blur. It's the only pop/rock band I have any respect for.