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#1 Cmdrmack

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Posted 20 January 2007 - 07:19 PM

Recently a few people in my clan have singled Titans and brought them to wars. After catching a dart in the arm today that broke the skin through my T-shirt from around 60 feet, I've banned singled Titans from wars, but in the interest of being fair to those who spend time maximizing the power and range I'd like to know if there is a general standard on what guns are too much. I've used a singled AT2k and am currently using a singled AT3k chambered for mega stefans, and it too will leave an impressive welt. I'd like to strike a balance between pushing the boundary on range and not scaring people away from the wars.

The question then becomes:

How strong is too strong?
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Posted 20 January 2007 - 07:45 PM

With me and my friends, we top off at around 180 ft. And when it gets up near 180 we'll put a limit on how close you can be to shoot someone. Though we have yet to get a gun up in that range. The farthest we've got is my Pump Shotgun, going about 120. And even with that I won't shoot anyone who gets any closer than about 50 ft. unless they do it deliberatly so I have to pull out a different gun.

But we all use micros. If we used megas, I'm sure we wouldn't play with guns shooting 150 ft.
We have the usual guns banned - singled Titans and SM5Ks (Isn't that the other gun capable of ranges of ~200'?)

I'd just decide on something that all the people you Nerf with agree on. I remember I used to airsoft every now and then, until someone got a gun shooting 700 fps.
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Posted 20 January 2007 - 07:53 PM

I remember I used to airsoft every now and then, until someone got a gun shooting 700 fps.


700? Most handguns only fire ~900-1000 fps. That's insane, I'd've stopped playing too.

None of my guns have ever gotten past about the 120' mark, so I wouldn't know what kind of damage a singled Titan would do. I'd just have people bring whatever they want and do it on a case-by-case basis; if a gun fires insanely far or goes through a few layers of cardboard, don't let them use it. Just tell everyone to mod different guns so that in case their Titan (or LBB, or Big Blast, or Super Soaker, whatever) is too powerful they still have something to use. I got shot in the chest with a badly modded Titan from about a foot away and it left a welt about 2 mm high and 1/2" across. I can't imagine what a Titan with the pump plugged and a nice-fitting barrel would do to someone. Even my Powerclip gave me welts from close range and my Splitfire gave me a raised blister that filled with blood and water and I had to pop it. That gun only got around 65-70' flat.

Yeah, so the point of this post: case-by-case. That's how they do it at most major wars and it seems to work nicely. Because a Titan WILL break a paintball mask and probably airsoft goggles, and you don't want plastic shrapnel in your eyeballs.

Edited by NerfMonkey, 20 January 2007 - 07:54 PM.

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Posted 20 January 2007 - 10:17 PM

My vote goes to putting barrels for megas only on all the guns. It wouild lower the range, but they would like the better accuracy. Either that or make sure you have a first aid kit and the correct protection on. If you have eye gear on, then you should only have to bring some rubbing alcohol (if you play at a distance from home to sterilize) and a variation of sized banades. That's all I ever bring with me airsofting...never had to worry about nerf injuries.

Edit: 700FPS?!?!?!the big 1111

My potatoe gun gets 850 and puts holes in quarter inch wafer bourd with .50 cal muzzle loader rounds. That would injure someone for sure through t-stirt or even jeans.

Edited by LastManAlive, 20 January 2007 - 10:20 PM.

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Posted 20 January 2007 - 10:50 PM

I say just take the hit and stop banning guns from wars. If you can not bear to take a welt then maybe Polo is the game for you...

You even said it yourself you used single At2k's and some of those are just as bad as singled titans.

Stop ruining the fun, by banning guns and learn to take a hit.

Edited by Substance Abuse, 20 January 2007 - 10:50 PM.

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Posted 20 January 2007 - 11:08 PM

700 feet/second = 477 miles/hour.

Just shoot everyone in the chest from 20' with whatever gun they want to use. ;)

Edited by Gengar003, 20 January 2007 - 11:13 PM.

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Posted 20 January 2007 - 11:21 PM

How strong is too strong?

If the user is unwilling to shoot themself at point-blank range with their weapon then it's too powerful. Otherwise decide by vote at the War itself.
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Posted 21 January 2007 - 12:39 AM

700 feet/second = 477 miles/hour.

Just shoot everyone in the chest from 20' with whatever gun they want to use. ;)

That is what I do only my dad shoots at me from 10 ft. and I announce whether it is legal or not. Really the range that I being to think is not fun is at 150-160' with the group I play with. And we play with mostly 12-13 year olds and two 11 year olds. I'm sure people older than that can withstand more.
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Posted 21 January 2007 - 02:04 AM

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Posted 21 January 2007 - 11:12 AM

I say just take the hit and stop banning guns from wars. If you can not bear to take a welt then maybe Polo is the game for you...

You even said it yourself you used single At2k's and some of those are just as bad as singled titans.

Stop ruining the fun, by banning guns and learn to take a hit.



I agree with you, but if a gun is powerfull enough to shred goggles I don't think it should be used.
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Posted 21 January 2007 - 11:36 AM

I say just take the hit and stop banning guns from wars. If you can not bear to take a welt then maybe Polo is the game for you...


That was a jackass comment. He asked for opinions, not people calling him a pussy.

Stop ruining the fun, by banning guns and learn to take a hit.


Nerf isn't validated by how much pain it can inflict. I'm sure he can "take a hit", but I'd much rather play with guns that won't give me permanent scars and just Nerf than try to look like a tough guy by getting shot in the face and having blood pouring into my mouth and saying, "oh, it's only a Nerf gun."

I think playing with crazy ass guns like that ruins the game a lot more than it does to simply ban them and keep Nerf what it's supposed to be: Nerf. I Nerf because it's usually more up-close than airsoft or paintball; using guns that fire 200' is going to take a lot of that away, and when you get up in to those kinds of ranges, you have to start questioning whether or not it's really even Nerf anymore. Sure it's a Nerf gun, but it changes the game entirely which is why I would ban those kinds of guns.

You even said it yourself you used single At2k's and some of those are just as bad as singled titans.


Singled 2k = ~100-120'
Singled Titan = ~180-200'

Slight difference.

That's my input on it. If you don't want to get shot by something that powerful ban it. I play airsoft every Saturday and enjoy it, but Nerf is a totally different game because of the ability to get so close to your opponents and shoot them from a few feet. When you use guns that are as powerful as Titans it removes so much of that uniqueness that it's not worth playing anymore, at least to me.

I hope you didn't take this as a flame, it wasn't. I was only stating how I feel on the matter. This is a pretty interesting discussion.
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Posted 21 January 2007 - 04:11 PM

I say just take the hit and stop banning guns from wars. If you can not bear to take a welt then maybe Polo is the game for you...

You even said it yourself you used single At2k's and some of those are just as bad as singled titans.

Stop ruining the fun, by banning guns and learn to take a hit.

You're an idiot. Singled Airtechs are nothing compared to titans. The titan airtank is probably ten times as big.
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Posted 21 January 2007 - 04:38 PM

What I meant by just as bad is the pain factor. Sorry so many people are so serious...
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Posted 21 January 2007 - 05:23 PM

Hey guys, ease up on Substance, he's not trying to be a dick, he just disagrees with the idea of banning guns. He and I have PMed a bit about it and I can see where he's coming from. I appreciate everyone's input, on the subject, but I don't want this to degenerate.

What I'm getting out of what people are saying is that its a case by case basis, and that everyone has a benchmark for what is too much, but there's no real standard for a ceiling on power.

How about limiting pumps. has anyone had success with that? It seems a little sketchy to me because it's too easy to forget how many times its been pumped.
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Posted 21 January 2007 - 05:27 PM

A while ago my friend and I thought it would be fun to have indoor wars with stock ammo (this was way after we started modding guns, we just wanted to play with stock darts). I wanted to use my singled 2k for its accuracy but didn't want to put a hole in him from a few feet away so I just kept it to about two pumps using stock darts. The low pumps idea is an effective one as long as you make sure people keep track of the pumps.
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Posted 21 January 2007 - 05:49 PM

as long as you make sure people keep track of the pumps.


Thats not a bad option but I am sure people would sneak in an extra pump here and there.

A while back a similar topic was around.

I beleive in two things:

1. You may not shoot a gun at another person unless you are comfortable with someone shooting at you wth the gun you will be using. I think point blank is a bit brutal. If you are point blank simply barrel tap the guy.

2. With guns that can shoot 175+ there should be some kind of zone that you cannot shoot at someone. Like If you have one of these guns that can shoot 175+ you should only be able to shoot at someone if they are 75 feet or further away. Once they are within that range you need to either switch guns,move back or find another shooting position. Obviously nobody is going to be 100% accurate with eyeballing the range but its enough to help keep the game fair.

I think it was actually nerf monkey that said " Thats fair and all but once someone breaks that distance someone could get hurt or it could cost them an eye" or something. Then only allow mature people to use higher powered guns. I don't have a problem with this because we are all 21-23 years old here but I can see how that would be a problem with 13-15 year olds.

I personally don't feel it would be right to ban any modded guns. As modded guns all have their pros and cons.
To me it would be the same as someone banning dual weidled rapid fires because its too cheap. Long range guns are just another flavor in the Baskin Robins that is nerf. Just put limits to them. If you cannot trust the people you nerf with then ban the guns. If we all can be mature about it then Nerf on!

Edited by Forsaken_angel24, 21 January 2007 - 05:50 PM.

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Posted 21 January 2007 - 05:56 PM

I could get my aisoft gun up to 950fps!! But then again this isn't about airsoft.
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Posted 21 January 2007 - 06:27 PM

If you won't shoot yourself point blank with your gun, don't use it. I forgot who said that, but it's probably the best way to go. No one's gonna shoot themself with a singled titan from point blank, so they won't be using it at a war. Nerf isn't about giving blood, rugby is. Nerf is about shooting with foam, and then later wondering why you're addicted to shooting foamy things at people.
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Posted 21 January 2007 - 06:31 PM

If you won't shoot yourself point blank with your gun, don't use it. I forgot who said that, but it's probably the best way to go. No one's gonna shoot themself with a singled titan from point blank, so they won't be using it at a war. Nerf isn't about giving blood, rugby is. Nerf is about shooting with foam, and then later wondering why you're addicted to shooting foamy things at people.


Agreed.

I also believe that it is all up to the people that are playing. If the majority says they don't care if the gun is used or not, let it be used. But if they all shit their pants when they hear the name I would reccomend not using it.
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Posted 21 January 2007 - 07:43 PM

If you won't shoot yourself point blank with your gun, don't use it. I forgot who said that, but it's probably the best way to go. No one's gonna shoot themself with a singled titan from point blank, so they won't be using it at a war. Nerf isn't about giving blood, rugby is. Nerf is about shooting with foam, and then later wondering why you're addicted to shooting foamy things at people.


Agreed.

I also believe that it is all up to the people that are playing. If the majority says they don't care if the gun is used or not, let it be used. But if they all shit their pants when they hear the name I would reccomend not using it.



My point exactly... thanks for the back-up.
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Posted 21 January 2007 - 08:07 PM

You would not be shooting somebody point blank anyways. That is what barrel taps are for.
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Posted 21 January 2007 - 09:42 PM

How about limiting pumps. has anyone had success with that? It seems a little sketchy to me because it's too easy to forget how many times its been pumped.


Yes. I lend my Titan/LBB to friends, but give them a pump limit. It's worked so far. They do "sneak" in an extra pump or two, but I factor that in.
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Posted 22 January 2007 - 12:22 AM

Even if they did use a singled Titan, they would be at a disadvantage for reload/prime time. If they make a gun shoot that far, good for them, but what makes more sense is war-practicality. I'd hang on to one for intimidation and show. I wouldn't really like to be caught with one big boom, and one alone.

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Posted 22 January 2007 - 04:59 PM

You would not be shooting somebody point blank anyways. That is what barrel taps are for.

Yes, but what if they are ten feet away. Do you shoot? You just turned a corner and someone is there, what now? Drop the gun? Get Shot? Turn back and hope they dont pursue cause you still can't shoot?
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Posted 22 January 2007 - 08:27 PM

You would not be shooting somebody point blank anyways. That is what barrel taps are for.

Yes, but what if they are ten feet away. Do you shoot? You just turned a corner and someone is there, what now? Drop the gun? Get Shot? Turn back and hope they dont pursue cause you still can't shoot?



He brings up a good point, With a singled titan theres gonna be some serious pain. It also matters what age group your playing with. Say your playing with 10-12 year olds and they get shot and cry, then you have a problem.
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