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[Cthulhu]

I was just thinking that it would be a good idea to set some standardized rules for nerf wars and come up with a sweet acronym. In other words I am just trying to set the rules into stone much like the rules of football or any other sport. I am aware of the fact that rules lead to arguments but also if there are no rules or large grey areas that is not good either. Therefore they need to be set on some sort of precedent (that means based upon a decision previously made). Some of my questions are:

Such as when a double-shot is no longer considered a pistol.

When is a manta-ray is too big?

Does the crossfire shield also count when deflecting darts?

I know there have also been issues and abusage concerning "barrel tapping".

When does a mod become a home-made?

The titan can be modded to fire a single micro dart but so can many other “missile launchers” that are equal to in power. By no single barreled titans does that also exclude these guns?

Please post other questions/answers and anything else that you feel is relevant.

[DX-Robert]

I honestly think it is better to have varied rule sets optimized for local use. Standard rules do not take into account local parks, local attitudes, etc. Some clans ban all homemades, some even ban mods, some welcome both. Assassination tournaments sometimes ban everything but stock darts and stock guns with certain mods. Some clans ban all shields and guns with shields. Some play 3:15, some play 4:20. Age [older and younger clans definately have different rules], number [large clans need different rules than small clans], setting [some parks have security, most don't] [big parks may need different rules than tiny parks], etc. are all variables which standardizing rules would eliminate. These variations are valuable and often essential. Rules must be adjusted to fit local conditions, otherwise they may not work. Standard rules also aren't even necessary, as if a clan has a defined rules set, there won't be arguments. The rules are perfectly clear, just different than the next clan's. As long as the rules are resepected, why would there be problems? The type of nerfers also makes a difference. Some people are assholes and shouldn't be nerfing. The rest play with respect. That impacts cheating and arguing. if you've got a good group of nerfers, cheating should be unheard of.

Either way, I would never conform to a single set of rules, especially rules not designed specifically for my clan in its local context. I'm sure there are others who feel that their rules work the best for them, and their rules only.

[Falcon]

Duxburian hit it on the nose.

However, I do believe I know exactly where each one of these questions spawned from (as I was personally there to witness your questions at YANO, and a number of these look familiar.

For those reading in, these answers are solely based on the way we play in Southern California.

Such as when a double-shot is no longer considered a pistol.

When is a manta-ray is too big?

Does the crossfire shield also count when deflecting darts?

I know there have also been issues and abusage concerning "barrel tapping".

When does a mod become a home-made?

The titan can be modded to fire a single micro dart but so can many other “missile launchers” that are equal to in power. By no single barreled titans does that also exclude these guns?

The double-shot is not a pistol in our minds, regardless of it's lack of effective ranges, because of its size. Something that is designed to be a shotgun is clearly not a pistol. We don't care if it's got ranges less than stock NF's; it's the size we're looking at for our spring pistol rounds. If you were to cut off the stock and barrels of the Doubleshot, we'd readily accept it as a pistol.

A manta ray is too big when the shell size is needlessly enlarged. If you put cardboard all over it for the very purpose of making a shield, then we won't allow it. In the case of Baghead's manta ray, the shell was enlarged beautifully to accomodate for two splitfires being integrated into it. It's an incredibly hot looing integration, and didn't increase the size too much. On the flip side, if a manta ray stock-sized, you cannot strap it (or cardboard of any kind) to your body to use as armor. Manta Rays used as sheilds must be part of a working firing mechanism. It doesn't matter if you never fire the gun, so long as it is capable of firing. This includes attaching manta ray shells to other guns. Since they are now part of the gun they are attached to, they DO count as sheilds since they are capable of firing.

The crossfire sheild does not count because it is not part of a working firing mechanism. And if you were to strap it to a gun that fired, it would count as a gun hit (making the gun a bigger target for opponents) because the fact still remains that we only accept manta rays as sheilds.

Barrel tapping is strictly a "mercy-kill". You cannot fire all of your guns and then rush an opponent with empty non-primed blasters for a barrel tap. The point is to get a hit on someone without causing them pain at close ranges while saving a shot on your part. If someone takes all of their shots, run up and tap them instead of beaming them in the chest with a crossbow from ten feet away. Save the shot for a target that can fire back.

A mod cannot becaome a homemade unless the working parts are replaced with something non-nerf. Replacing pumps with bike pumps is fine, so long as the air is not being pumped into a large vuolume PVC tank or something, and so long as the valve is still a nerf valve. Put simply, use your own good judgement.

Your last question looks spawned by Baghead's Maximizer. It is NOT equal in power to a titan. If that's not where the question came from, disregard it. But the facts hold true. We just don't allow guns of that high power. In the close quarters that we play, even our safety goggles may not prove effective. We refuse to run that risk.

[Flaming Hilt]

I'd have to go with Duxburian as well, but (correct me if I'm wrong) I believe Falcon was correct in his answers since they appear to pertain to the location where your questions came from.

However, expect different answers at different wars/in different locations.

[Falcon]

Yeah, those answers were based on Southern California rules. Cthulhu happens to be from southern california, a he just attended his first YANO last weekend.

[Cthulhu]

Barrel tapping is strictly a "mercy-kill". You cannot fire all of your guns and then rush an opponent with empty non-primed blasters for a barrel tap. The point is to get a hit on someone without causing them pain at close ranges while saving a shot on your part. If someone takes all of their shots, run up and tap them instead of beaming them in the chest with a crossbow from ten feet away. Save the shot for a target that can fire back.



Your last question looks spawned by Baghead's Maximizer. It is NOT equal in power to a titan. If that's not where the question came from, disregard it. But the facts hold true. We just don't allow guns of that high power. In the close quarters that we play, even our safety goggles may not prove effective. We refuse to run that risk.

I know we had a breif discussion on barrel tapping at YANO but i just wanted to get a second oppinion. For example; I just picked up a blast bazooka (i think thats what its called) and want to put my scout or a NF on it. Do I have to tap the enemy with the NF barel or can I hit him with the empty one or does it even matter as long as there asre still rounds in the weapon as a whole

Also if I put the manta ray on my longshot does that count?

Also I completely forgot about Baggssesss Maximizer, but yeah his gun or one similar to that. And I am not out there to get people hurt thats what real firearms are for (and paintball). I just know there are guns similar to Titans that can be moded to be equally if not more powerful. But baghead's maximizer is pretty sweet and I'm pretty sure it would be an honor to get hit wih it.

Edited by Cthulhu, 10 November 2006 - 02:36 AM.

[elf avec gun]

Also if I put the manta ray on my longshot does that count?

Why would you do that? Where would you atach it to?
Maybe Panzershrek style. But i still see no point, it would be too unwieldy to be used as a shield.

[z80]

I was just thinking that it would be a good idea to set some standardized rules for nerf wars and come up with a sweet acronym. In other words I am just trying to set the rules into stone much like the rules of football or any other sport. I am aware of the fact that rules lead to arguments but also if there are no rules or large grey areas that is not good either. Therefore they need to be set on some sort of precedent (that means based upon a decision previously made). Some of my questions are:

Such as when a double-shot is no longer considered a pistol.

When is a manta-ray is too big?

Does the crossfire shield also count when deflecting darts?

I know there have also been issues and abusage concerning "barrel tapping".

When does a mod become a home-made?

The titan can be modded to fire a single micro dart but so can many other “missile launchers” that are equal to in power. By no single barreled titans does that also exclude these guns?

Please post other questions/answers and anything else that you feel is relevant.

I'm going to go through this pertaining to my clan.
1. It's not. It's too bulky of a gun to be considered a pistol. As Falcon said, it all depends on the size. If you were to mod it to be the size of a splitfire or similar, that would be fine.

2. A manta ray becomes too big when you make it bigger for no other benefit. Once you start making it so it is a bigger sheild, you give yourself an unfair advantage.

3. No, since it is not a gun. And it would not add any functionality to one once added.

4. In our clan, we've basically solved this problem. You must "melee," as we call it, from the back. This means they are either not paying attention, or retreating. Either way, they would not want to be shot in the ass with an xbow close range. This seems to solve 90% of the problems. BEfore, we had it so you could melee anywhere, and two people got into a short swordfight with blowguns.

Shoot, GTG, I'll finish later.

[AnyaSeijin]

I know we had a breif discussion on barrel tapping at YANO but i just wanted to get a second oppinion. For example; I just picked up a blast bazooka (i think thats what its called) and want to put my scout or a NF on it. Do I have to tap the enemy with the NF barel or can I hit him with the empty one or does it even matter as long as there asre still rounds in the weapon as a whole

Also if I put the manta ray on my longshot does that count?

Falcon, I'll chime in here.



First question. If you attach a NF to a LBB, your weird. However, so long as ONE gun is primed and is PERMENETLY attached (to one or more) as a whole; yes, only one must be primed.

Primed: A gun being loaded and either cocked or pumped. (In the case of a multi-shot weapon, at least one barrel loaded)

I decided after careful consideration of my own manta-longshot project that, no it would be utterly stupid. Only because it would probably work too well. Seriously. Ask Falcon.


O yeah, and barrel tapping is not just mercy killing. Its humbling...for them.

4. In our clan, we've basically solved this problem. You must "melee," as we call it, from the back. This means they are either not paying attention, or retreating. Either way, they would not want to be shot in the ass with an xbow close range. This seems to solve 90% of the problems. BEfore, we had it so you could melee anywhere, and two people got into a short swordfight with blowguns.

My answer is kill the people with the blow guns. Who aloud those cheap bastards in anyway!?!
However, I have com across something like this (with guns) a few times on some weird occasions. Me and another person both Barrel-tapped. Neither of us knew who did it first, but we quickly decided to walk away, and act like nothing happened. This way, neither of us argued pointlessly over a life, and the fun continued.

Edited by AnyaSeijin, 10 November 2006 - 11:48 PM.

[z80]

I know we had a breif discussion on barrel tapping at YANO but i just wanted to get a second oppinion. For example; I just picked up a blast bazooka (i think thats what its called) and want to put my scout or a NF on it. Do I have to tap the enemy with the NF barel or can I hit him with the empty one or does it even matter as long as there asre still rounds in the weapon as a whole

Also if I put the manta ray on my longshot does that count?

Falcon, I'll chime in here.



First question. If you attach a NF to a LBB, your weird. However, so long as ONE gun is primed and is PERMENETLY attached (to one or more) as a whole; yes, only one must be primed.

Primed: A gun being loaded and either cocked or pumped. (In the case of a multi-shot weapon, at least one barrel loaded)

I decided after careful consideration of my own manta-longshot project that, no it would be utterly stupid. Only because it would probably work too well. Seriously. Ask Falcon.


O yeah, and barrel tapping is not just mercy killing. Its humbling...for them.

4. In our clan, we've basically solved this problem. You must "melee," as we call it, from the back. This means they are either not paying attention, or retreating. Either way, they would not want to be shot in the ass with an xbow close range. This seems to solve 90% of the problems. BEfore, we had it so you could melee anywhere, and two people got into a short swordfight with blowguns.

My answer is kill the people with the blow guns. Who aloud those cheap bastards in anyway!?!
However, I have com across something like this (with guns) a few times on some weird occasions. Me and another person both Barrel-tapped. Neither of us knew who did it first, but we quickly decided to walk away, and act like nothing happened. This way, neither of us argued pointlessly over a life, and the fun continued.

It's kinda hard to reload when somebody is three feet away from you. But I get you're point, this is nerf, not LARP.