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[TheCheatIsNotDead]

Hey Y'all. It's been a while.

First, lets get one thing straight.

I LOVE Revolvers.

Love the bloody things to death. My absolute favorite type of gun, hands down. Thusly, my favorite gun is still the Maverick, despite it's sub-par preformance.

Well, I've been thinking about NERF, and been doing a LOT of research on real guns, and I have something I would like to try out.

Keep in mind, this is purely conceptual right now, because I have NO IDEA what I could use as materials to make something this complicated, and I am not very experienced in what makes the gun shoot FAR such as barrel replacements, stefans, and springs. Thusly, this is for primarily efficency in ammo reloading, as well as trying to make it more accurate to it's real life counterpart.

The basic idea is as such- Take the internals of the maverick (as in trigger, barrel rotation, ect.) and place them inside this new, completely origional shell. Take a Nitefinder plunger (or similarly more powerful plunger) and put them together. Create a custom-made barrel for the 6 shots (I've been thinking about it, and I think It'll work), and have the barrel on a top-break system. From here, ammo could be loaded into the barrel with the aid of a full-moon clip, allowing the entire clip to be reloaded at once.

Pictures! Sorry, I kinda suck at photoshop.

The gun in concept



The top-break



Custom Barrel and moon clip



Moon clip being loaded



Moon clip fully loaded in barrel



The reason the barrel would need to be custom made, would be that the male parts of the moon clip must fit in perfectly into the female part of the barrel, creating a single, unified barrel. With some work, brass or PVC could be space out just right, and connected using custom-cut plastic, and then epoxy/superglue/whatever'd tightly together. Also, the plunger to the gun would be more powerful, and (if possible) a much tighter seal. As it's a top-break design, I beleive that a tighter seal should be possible. Also, the entire gun would be reshaped to be much more comfortable and (very slim chance) smaller. Or at least less fat.

To make the barrel more compact, brass barrels could be used to eliminate some thickness, and thinner darts could be used as ammo.
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And now the problems.

Materials are a mystery. I have NO IDEA how to shape the frame of the gun, as I do not yet have a full understanding of the insides of the gun. Plastics would be nice, but so would wood, if I were talented enough to make something like that. Materials suggestions would be appreciated, but I'm not expecting any breakthroughs.

Second, ammunition will likely be a problem, as once you run out of darts, you must manually refill the moon clips, as a seal is not formed without the moon clip. Because the two parts make a whole barrel, you must either have many moon clips, or reloading will take even longer than a normal maverick.

Also, the swinging action of the top break creates a weak spot at the hinge. Reinforcing this as much as possible is a necessity.

Lastly, the barrel will need to be manually rotated after each shot to engage the turning mechanism into place. Not really a problem per say, but should be pointed out.
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Positives!

The gun obviously has a faster reload, and is more comfortable. Grips, weight, and reloading speed should all be dramatic improvements. Also, as the barrel now is not attached to the swinging hinges, it is more secured to the frame.

And I would like it.
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This gun would be so heavily modified, it's pretty much unrecognizable. The tools, refrences, and materials are a mystery as of now. But someday, I hope to make this work. Tell me what you think. Strengths, weaknesses, improvements, additional modifications, ect.

Thank you for reading this very long post.

Viva la NERF!

~TCIND

[CaptainSlug]

I don't see this getting anywhere if you don't have any practical experience with the tools and materials involved.
Round parts and parts that interlock have to be machined precisely.
If you do not currently own any power tools other than a dremel and power drill and do not have access to others plus someone with the required experience to advice you on how to accomplish this with the tools at hand then you will probably have to give up.

Harsh? Maybe. I'm just being realistic. You need to design things around the tools and materials you have access to and experience with. For something like this you're going to need atleast a scrollsaw, drillpress, and possibly a lathe.

You also don't seem to understand how the maverick works. The cylinder cannot tilt forward because it's rotated by a hex-nut type piece that inserts/bolts into the rear of the cylinder. So your replacement cylinder would not only need to hinge, but also slide forward first to get off of the hex-nut part.
Modifying the stock cylinder might work better, but you're still talking about very tight tolerances on several moving parts.

[TheCheatIsNotDead]

Don't worry, I'm not offended by you being harsh. I've known It was a doomed project ever since I started thinking about it. But that's the way I work. I start off with the impossible, and then see how I can change it to fit reality.

For the record, I do have experience with a variety of tools, including dremels, saws, sanders, planers, ect, although not with a drillpress or lathe (that would be really cool). I'm familar with them, but don't have much access to them at college. No material I can think of however, no matter the tools I use, would work, at least as far as I can tell.

I'm fairly certain the hexagonal nut of the maverick would not be a great issue to overcome. I've been trying to figure out how real top-break revolvers accomplish this, but I'm still looking into it. If they can do it, I should be able to as well.

The real point of this is not to really try to make a whole new gun. I started thinking about this when trying to think of new ways to reload faster. Basically, the entire gun was designed around the moon clip idea. There are simpler ways to get that moon clip to work (well... relatively more simple ) but If I could go all-out, this is what I would do.

Don't worry about crushing my hopes and dreams. I'm more concerned about the potential of the ideas, and if they ever really COULD be implimented. Because gosh darn, that'd be just neat.

~TCIND

PS: What's the best way to learn how a gun REALLY works? Should I just carefully study the ones I own, or are there guides and such that help explain the insides? It's one thing to follow instructions for a mod, and entirely another to understand exactly WHY.

Edited by TheCheatIsNotDead, 24 September 2006 - 12:53 AM.

[General Cole]

I can already see how this would work. A brass hinge on the Mav's lower shell and a magnet on the upper shell. A plastic rod that connects to a plastic washer on the front of the gun. I'll actually try it and if it doesn't work I'll PM you. I just need to pick up a mav.

[TheCheatIsNotDead]

Super cool!

Don't forget, if it's a top break design, you'll probably have to secure the swing out barrel mechanism.

Real moon clips are more simple, as the only hold onto the bottom of the bullet. However, as NERF is made of foam, They would bend out of shape and fall out, hence the interlocking mechanism that should compensate for that.

If you can think of something more simple, please tell me!

Also the moon clip allows the same tight air flow hole in the back of the barrel, instead of just exposing the dart completely, like what would happen if you just drilled out the back of a maverick so you could load from the rear of the gun. Because of this, the darts may need to be pushed in farther.

There are also such things as speedloaders for revolvers. It's like a moon clip, but you press the bullets into place, then remove the speedloader, while the moon clip stays in the barrel while firing. I haven't been able to think of a simple way to get a speedloader to work with NERF yet though.

If any easier ideas are thought of for moon clips/speedloaders, let me know.

And by the way, that magnets idea is genius. I hadn't even thought of that.

hmmm....

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I thought I should throw this out there.

The barrel really only needs to be as long as the dart if it reloads from the back. This shortens it by at least 3/4 of an inch. Also, most real top-break revolvers actually break like this.



This is because of the long barrel however, which would be impractical and pointless in a NERF revolver. Extended barrels however, are an option.

The hinge being far forward may be impractical for NERF, but I thought I should put it out there.

~TCIND

Edited by TheCheatIsNotDead, 24 September 2006 - 01:42 AM.

[CaptainSlug]

My end-clip modification of the maverick should help clarify how the internals of the maverick work.
http://nerfhaven.com...?showtopic=6272

Edited by CaptainSlug, 24 September 2006 - 09:33 AM.

[navy seal]

You should built your idea in a maverick shell with internals and when you have the hinge and barrels working you should put a nite finder plunger in there. Someone already fit nite finder internals in a maverick.(will post link)

If you cut the maverick shell right behind the where the turret is you could attach a hinge at the bottom and it would "break" open, like in the first post. I think the hinge would be better than magnets because it would hold better.

The only way I can think of your moon clip working is the front of it hold the darts and there barrels and the back creates the seal with the plunger tube. Try taking the mav turret apart and maybe using the back peice that creates the seal as the clip.

good luck on your project. It seems more likely to work than all the noobs that post about things that are impossible............like a Rf100

Edited by navy seal, 24 September 2006 - 09:39 AM.

[TheCheatIsNotDead]

CapitanSlug, I had NO IDEA that that you had done that modification. It's one of the ideas I had thought of as one of my early ideas. The moon clip works like that, only in the the back. To do that, a custom barrel may need to be made. I'm sure you can figure out what I'm talking about. It would need to be custom-made to load the right way, be the new right size, and be able to lock with the moon clip.

I'm really glad that you guys are taking me seriously. Thanks alot for all your feedback!

~TCIND

[CaptainSlug]

Yeah, your idea is simply backwards from the way the stock cylinder is constructed. The pieces are very close together inside and you may be able to simply cut the barrels out of the front part of the cylinder then glue them to the rear section so that you can get it to work from the rear. Then simply drill out the holes in the rear piece of the cylinder large enough so that you can feed the darts in from the back.

Then you'll have further issues with the seal between the cylinder and plunger chamber. The maverick is just one big mess of technical issues that keep it from being a great gun.

Edited by CaptainSlug, 24 September 2006 - 10:04 AM.

[pat 1st Lt]

A combination of this and this mod should do you fine.

A Nitemav has significantly greater power than a stock Maverick. And CS's front end mod gives it a very high ROF. That's really all you need, and is much less complicated than your idea of the top-break revolver.

It was a good idea, but I don't see how you're gonna pull it off without much experience with a lot of materials or tools.


-Pat

[NERF Downunder]

Because the two parts make a whole barrel, you must either have many moon clips, or reloading will take even longer than a normal maverick.

and then.....

The gun obviously has a faster reload, and is more comfortable. Grips, weight, and reloading speed should all be dramatic improvements

i was just curious as to which it is? faster or slower?

Nerf downunder
PS. dont take this as a joke, i seriously want to know if it increases rof.

Edited by NERF Downunder, 24 September 2006 - 07:21 PM.

[pat 1st Lt]

If you have multiple speedloaders (Or 'moonclips'), it will be much faster than reloading a Maverick. If you only have one speedloader, it will be about twice as long as reloading a Maverick.

-Pat

[sam]

Pat beat me to it.

Edited by sam, 24 September 2006 - 07:25 PM.

[General Cole]

Ive started on this project, but instead of moon clips I am going to use multiple maverick chambers. It will be a simpler to reload clipped maverick. If it works expect a writeup!

[aribiter]

it would be sweet but hard

[ompa]

Alright Arbiter. Fix your capitalization and punctuation. If I catch any more than 2 more posts by you where you violate the CoC, you're suspended.

The reload would be slower unless you had multiple moon clips. With a normal mav you could just load the darts directly into the chamber; with only one moon clip you'd have to remove the moon clip, load the darts, and put the clip back in, therefore ending up with a slower reload time. In short, with only one moon clip you'd have to do what you normally do to load a mav, and then you'd have to deal with removal and re-insertion of the clip.

~ompa

[TheCheatIsNotDead]

Well, of course the idea would be to have several Moon Clips on you. They would be like clips for the longshot or any other gun with clips- once you're out of clips, you need to reload the clip, which takes longer.

That would be what your secondary gun would be for, presuming you ran out.

With any luck, I'll be able to try to make a non-functional demo of how the moon clips would work for PVC. It would be non-functional, because I've never done a barrel change in a gun before, haven't gotten to make stefans, and overall don't know what I'm doing enough. But I'll try.

Hope to get that done soon. May take a week or two though.

General Cole, good idea for the multiple chambers. I was thinking of that too, and It certainly would solve some problems.
I'd still like to try my moon clips though. I guess I'm just stubborn like that.

~TCIND

PS: For stock darts, what would be an ideal diameter for the PVC?

Edited by TheCheatIsNotDead, 26 September 2006 - 11:52 AM.

[King Of Butt Land]

The diameter you want is 1/2 inch pvc for stock micros and 1/2 cpvc for micro stefans. I may atempt this but without the cosmetic modification, just the hing cyclinder and "moon clips."

-Butt