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#1 ompa

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Posted 03 March 2006 - 09:23 PM

So after looking at the FAR plans, and realizing that there was no way in hell I could build it, I went to simplify it. So you know, people could actually build it. Unfortunately, the rifle isn't quite done yet. However, it's in working condition, which means it can shoot and reload. The whole thing is basically built from scratch, with the exception of the spring, which I believe is from a BBB. I plan to replace it with a stronger spring (the one people use to replace their X-bow springs), as soon as I find out what spring it is, and where I can get it.

So, here's the rifle.

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Actually, I was just kidding. That was the core of the rifle. I designed the rifle in three parts; the main body, the clip, and the stock. Each was designed to be able to be removed to make the gun smaller, while still having a functional gun.

With the clip system (No clip, seeing it's just my clip that I've posted before):
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All the parts minus the actual clip:
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Weird angle:
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Again:
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Ranges with the clip are around 70-80; I detected no drop shooting level in my 60' hallway, so I think it's safe to assume 70-80, I'll get more testing done when I can.

Ranges without the clip I haven't even tried yet, but I'm going to assume around 90-100. Without the excess air space and air loss present with the clip, the gun shoots harder and farther.

Last step to finishing the rifle is to add a slide above the stock, which will both load the dart and prime the gun. It shouldn't be too difficult to do, I just need to sand out the area around the bolt a little so it doesn't have so much resistance to it.

All that's left to do is prime it and paint it pink. Ok, not pink, but definately not flat black; the police might try to kill me.

Oh, and as a little joke that Boltsniper suggested, I'll call it the SOFAR (Simplified Ompa Fast-Action Rifle). If you don't get the pun, I'll keep shooting you until you get it.

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#2 Maverick Master

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Posted 03 March 2006 - 09:52 PM

That looks really cool. Great job on everything. Also if you put up a more detailed write-up on it, how it all goes together and stuff, i might have to try myself.
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Posted 03 March 2006 - 10:15 PM

Simply awsome,You just need to give it a good coat of paint and a slide like you said and that will be one hell of a gun.I really want to hear the ranges without the clip.
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Posted 03 March 2006 - 10:49 PM

Shells?
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Posted 03 March 2006 - 10:50 PM

Nope, similar clip that I used on my X-bow. Shell-less system. Hence, the clip in the picture holds around 8-9 darts.

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Posted 03 March 2006 - 10:58 PM

Looks really cool!

How does the trigger mechanism work? Similar to Bolt's?
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Posted 03 March 2006 - 10:59 PM

Nope. It actually uses a lever system that enables the gun have a really light trigger pull.

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Posted 04 March 2006 - 12:57 AM

Just like baghead UBS, for his guns, it seems like you created a UCS or universal clip system. I realy like how you can use them for all of your clip modded guns.

Your version of the FAR, is very impressive, and less intimidating. Not in looks, its just seems easier to make, just like you said.

As for the paint, I think if you are not gonna paint it black, you should go with an artic look, a desert look, with like a sandy color or something, or like a camo look.
I would go with a desert look, its the most original. But you know what to do, those are just some suggestions.

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Posted 04 March 2006 - 01:16 AM

I'm impressed. I started working on a similar simplified type FAR knockoff but the rigors of school, and the inability to find a spring, set the project back by a lil bit. I finally found a AR spring so I need to get my ass in gear and finish it. I'm a little skeptical of the ranges but from what I've read from you, you're not the BSer so I trust ya. The shell-less clip confuses me some, but maybe it's cause its like 1AM...
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Posted 04 March 2006 - 12:12 PM

Hmmm....a job very well done, if I say so myself. Love the overall look to it, and can't wait 'til you slap some paint on there.
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Posted 04 March 2006 - 01:02 PM

I'm going to have to call dibs on the NEAR
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Posted 04 March 2006 - 01:46 PM

I'm going to have to call dibs on the NEAR

Not the NErf Assulf Rifle...
That would be pretty cool.

This incurages me to get up off my arse and finish my FAR...
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Posted 04 March 2006 - 04:12 PM

I'm pretty sure I know what Langley means, and it's NOT what Ronster said, but a joke explained is a joke lost.

On the topic of Ompa's Far: Looks really great dude, I just don't like how the clip is so forward on the gun. I understand why it is there and why you may not be able to move it, it just doesn't look natural to me.
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Posted 04 March 2006 - 04:18 PM

I hate the location probably more than you do. But to fix that, I'd have to either:

a.) Shorten the plunger
b.) Develop a more complex bolt/plunger combo like in the FAR.

a.) I'm definately not going for a rifle that shoots under 70'
b.) The thing was designed to be simple, not difficult.

Hence, I'm stuck with the clip location.

EDIT: And I just learned a valuable lesson. Know how to use primer, or at least have experiance using it, before you use it on something important. I definately went way too thick on the primer layers, and it looks like shit. So I'm going to have to sand the entire rifle down and do the priming over again. Shit.

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Edited by ompa, 04 March 2006 - 06:13 PM.

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Posted 04 March 2006 - 08:27 PM

Beautiful.
If you have plans for how to make it, please post them!

As for a paint scheme, I would suggest black and neon green, always a good combination.
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Posted 04 March 2006 - 08:35 PM

Well, I can post the most important part of the rifle right now, as I already have some pics uploaded from some consulting with Boltsniper.

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The second picture is the trigger pulled, the 3rd is the trigger depressed.


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Posted 04 March 2006 - 08:35 PM

I love that gun!

It's a lot sleeker than the far. I agree about the clip placement, but if you angled it backwards you could have a cool SMG-esque aesthetic going on.

I'm split right down the middle about Denaeron's post. I don't like gun plans because they tend to curb originality (unless it's something like the FAR which most of us wouldn't be able to design on our own). I love black and neon green, though. That would look pretty good on this gun.
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Posted 04 March 2006 - 08:38 PM

See, what I probably plan to do is simply post 3 different writeups; one for the clip (which I actually have already done, but I'll post this version as well, as it allows one to pull the bolt BACK to load the shell instead of forwards like the one I designed before), one for the plunger, and one for the trigger. That way, nobody has to build an exact replica, but can use parts if they're having trouble designing their own. That's mainly why the gun itself can be disassembled into simpler and simpler bases; if someone is having trouble making the clip, it isn't integrated like with the FAR, so you aren't going to suffer because of it.

The purpose of the gun is to basically demonstrate simple parts, that when put together, can work as a whole.

It may be slightly sleeker, but it's also definately longer. Since I didn't integrate the plunger/bolt, the gun itself is 4-5 inches longer than the FAR. Which is almost too long in my opinion. That 4-5 inches is gained since the clip itself is 5-inches long, and has it's own separate mechanism, instead of the FAR's integrated.

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Posted 05 March 2006 - 05:47 PM

thanks ompa, it looks awesome. i am working on a more simple FAR gun myself.... i am stuck at the firing mech and the clip.

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Posted 05 March 2006 - 06:05 PM

Nice job, Ompa!

What's funny is that the SNAP came from wanting to learn elements of the FAR, and to eventually turn it into a simplified, full version of it....at which point I was gonna call it the SOFAR. ('cept that the O would have stood for "operation").

I'm gonna have to spend some more time looking at your design later on, see what I can glean from it....my bolt design was a bit too fussy to be practical.
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Posted 05 March 2006 - 07:00 PM

Mine adds about 3 inches worth of 17/32 diameter brass of airspace, which definately lessens the range. I'll be upfront about that. I couldn't use the clip I had designed before because that had to be pulled forwards, instead of back. I'm currently trying to figure out the slide, but after making a version, I've realized it's just a pain in the ass to pull back, especially with a beefy spring in there. I may just leave it as a handle and just have to pull 2 things back to get it to fire.

I'm sure the FAR knockoffs will come soon. I mean, I have the SOFAR, and am working on a design (which all hinges on a new clip), which will just for the hell of it be named the NEAR (go Langley). Although I'll probably start that in a few weeks, soon as I finish up the finishing touches for the SOFAR.

As for bolt designs, try a variant off of the original clip I had. Just search ompa clip witha wide search parameter. It's extremely basic, and I'm sure you could make a more advanced design off of it.

Yeah, I've sorted the pictures out for writeups of the trigger and plunger, and I'll get around to making them probably within the next 2 weeks.

I've done a bit more testing with the thing, without the bolt handle being glued in (which does result in some air loss, as not having the handle in there results in the gun not shooting at all... The handle is basically a nail through the bolt, which results in 2 holes), and the shots are all over the place. Mainly due to the fact that depending on how the bolt handle is held, the holes may be more covered or less covered. But to the point; the ranges are anywhere from 65-80. I'm assuming that once I actually glue the damn handle in I should get around 75'. So less than the FAR, despite the similar plunger length. Although I think I can safely say my loss in range is due to the bolt/clip system.

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Posted 05 March 2006 - 07:39 PM

what did you do for the ejector?
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Posted 05 March 2006 - 07:41 PM

Nothing. It's shell-less; which is why I have air loss from the clip. There's a seal, but not as good as a shell+o-ring. But I figured the ease of not having a clip was worth the loss of 5 feet in range.

First failed attempt at priming has yielded this:

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I will try again sometime next week; I'll sand it down and probably scrap the primer, in favor of just painting it. I may go blue with some sort of accents, maybe silver. I'm not going for realism here, but for something that won't get me shot but still will look nice. If Baghead reads this, yeah, I'm open to suggestions man.

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Posted 09 March 2006 - 10:08 PM

Impressive. Put up pictures with a paintjob? It kind of reminds me of the Halo BR.
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Posted 09 March 2006 - 10:11 PM

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After epoxying in the bolt handle and adding rubber bands so it would return after pulling it back (rubber bands and bolt handle not pictured), I ran and did some testing before the epoxy was dry; I remembered afterwards I wanted to use JB weld anyways. Well, I can say with confidence that the MINIMUM flat range is 70'. It hits 60' with no drop whatsoever, and it's been raining/puddles all over the ground for the past few days so it's difficult for me to get out and range test.

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